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Once more a product that do not support EU - Apple is no longer an EU brand.. its a US only brand.

they abandonded EU no Satelite connectivity, and on Apple Inteligence, bothn on Mac and on Iphone...

i normaly buy new phone every year, and new watch ever 2 years... it has ended.
om on 15 pro max, that has no apple inteligence due to me living in EU.. that will be the last Apple Phone i own untill they fix it.

Same with my Mac... wont buy new ... and now apparently im back to Garmin - or even Xiaomi for 1/10 the cost.
You're doing exactly what the EU wants you to do. Don't buy Apple. The EU has gone after US companies ferociously to protect its own companies. Understandable that the EU wants to defend their own, but there are tremendous drawbacks to the onerous regulations and absolutely insane financial penalties associated with just doing business their own way by seeking a competitive advantage. The EU wants sameness for everything, so nobody has a reason to buy those American brands. They have companies like Nokia and Ericsson (err, Sony) to protect.

It's not Apple's fault. It's the EU's fault. For imaginary "anti-competitive" practices, they fine companies based on world-wide income, meaning a single fine represents more than all the profits they make from the EU for an entire year. You try to do business in the EU as a foreign company and see if it's an issue that needs "fixing". There's nothing Apple can do to fix anything except to be like everybody else, which means there's no reason to buy them anymore. The EU's demands are for Apple to give up everything that makes them Apple, and then they can do business. If they have to do that, why bother with making an effort in the EU? They keep those features out of the EU because they know they'd be sued and fined endlessly. So they leave all of those features out due to self-preservation.

Apple's iOS code is probably riddled with code (pseudo code) like:

if (EU) { Do nothing }
else { Do everything }
 
I'm not anything approaching an athlete, but I don't think that any serious or semi pro athlete would use the ultra.

Still one for weekend warriors and those who are not even that, but would like to be seen as one.

It's not damning the ultra 3 with faint praise - it's an amazing Apple Watch. It's just not for 'pros'.
 
i wouldn't even wear a smart watch if it didn't give me notifications for iMessage, HomeKit, and other notifications. You use yours for fitness, so naturally a dedicated fitness watch makes sense because it doesn't use battery for stuff you find unnecessary. An Apple Watch is far more than a fitness watch, which is why it can't do 30 days of battery. It is online constantly moving data. i doubt the Garmin bothers to wake up its radio until it's time to transfer data to a phone. They're apples and oranges. To me, the Garmin is useless because it doesn't do the smart watch features that I consider mandatory.

A more apt comparison would be a general purpose tablet like an iPad compared with a basic eInk Kindle. The Kindle is great for one thing, but one thing only while an iPad can run the Kindle app, but also a million other apps. The Kindle's battery lasts forever while the iPad has to be charged daily. It's the same principle. You buy what is important to you.
It's crazy that people don't get this...I always assume they're either not functioning on 100% brain power, or they don't even own an Apple Watch and are just trolling.
 
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The Feature with satelite.. not on EU - try and go to www.apple.dk .. the section is just missing, because the feature is missing in EU - same watch, higer price, less features.
I understand. I checked with other EU countries, they seem to still have it. Very odd. It must be a specific thing for Denmark?
 
Battery boost? LOL! I'll keep my Garmin which has more than 3 weeks battery capacity...
Not everyone that wants an Ultra fits into the category of what the Garmin users want. And maybe that's a good thing. Competition is good for the consumers. It's great that your Garmin has 3 weeks of battery capacity and it meets your needs. But it's also great that the Watch Ultra got a battery boost and the users that will purchase one will definitely appreciate it.
 
Yeah, with the Apple Watch being a drone. Garmin has way more advanced analytics than an Apple Watch. And Garmin supports waaaaaaaaay more 3rd party equipment than an Apple Watch.

And in terms of "smartwatch" my Garmin watch does 99% of what I use my Apple Watch Ultra 2 for.

I only use the Apple Watch Ultra 2 if I have to "look good" as it looks better with the Titanium Milanese band that I bought for it.

your comment indicates that you view the two devices solely through your own use case rather than in any meaningful way comparing the different devices across use cases.

The difference between the two devices is essentially a smartphone philosophy vs dedicated device philosophy.

Apple has built a tiny computer you wear; Garmin has built an advanced fitness tracker that happens to be smart.

Each approach serves different user priorities - Apple for integrated digital life, Garmin for serious outdoor/fitness activities where battery life is critical.

It's great that the Garmin works for you.

That does not automatically make it a superior device to the AW.
 
Battery boost? LOL! I'll keep my Garmin which has more than 3 weeks battery capacity...
Which Garmin watch do you have? How many 1 hour, Dual Band, GPS workouts do you do a day during your three weeks? Does it have an Always on Display, and if so, is it enabled? Do you stream music to it while you work out? Are you required to have your phone with you at all times to maintain that 3 week capacity?
 
And unfortunately, it's still too expensive in the EU. We have to help finance the US prices.
The price in the EU is typically the same as it is in the U.S., except that in the EU they report the price with the taxes included where as in the U.S. they do not as taxes vary by location, at a more granular level than VAT in the EU.
 
How impressive. Meanwhile, my Garmin watch has 30-day battery life. "Best ever battery" ... yeah right.
I will ask you the same questions I asked the other Garmin user:

Which Garmin watch do you have? How many 1 hour, Dual Band, GPS workouts do you do a day during your three weeks? Does it have an Always on Display, and if so, is it enabled? Do you stream music to it while you work out? Are you required to have your phone with you at all times to maintain that 3 week capacity?
 
I initially thought it was 42 days battery life but then I saw it was 42 hours.

At 42 hours my Garmin is still close to 90%.
 
Yeah, with the Apple Watch being a drone. Garmin has way more advanced analytics than an Apple Watch.

Which of those analytics are done on the watch or on Garmin’s website?

And Garmin supports waaaaaaaaay more 3rd party equipment than an Apple Watch.

What 3rd party equipment does your watch support that you use?

And in terms of "smartwatch" my Garmin watch does 99% of what I use my Apple Watch Ultra 2 for.

Can you use your Garmin to run/jog/walk without your phone and still be accessible or be able to call for help in an emergency? I run/jog/walk without my iPhone a minimum of 2-3 hours a day. There is no Garmin product that allows that. Even their newest LTE (the Fenix 8 Pro) watch does not support real calling with the watch, but only voice to people with Garmin Messenger.

That watch with a “top line battery life of 15 days drops to less than two if one uses the Always on display, and does 2-3 hours of GPS tracked workouts.
 
At 42 hours my Garmin is still close to 90%.
Same questions as I have asked the other Garmin users:

Which Garmin watch do you have? How many 1 hour, Dual Band, GPS workouts do you do a day during your three weeks? Does it have an Always on Display, and if so, is it enabled? Do you stream music to it while you work out? Are you required to have your phone with you at all times to maintain that 3 week capacity?
 
Still no compelling reason to upgrade my original AWU. The battery doesn’t last as long, but I only have to charge it once a day.
 
i wouldn't even wear a smart watch if it didn't give me notifications for iMessage, HomeKit, and other notifications. You use yours for fitness, so naturally a dedicated fitness watch makes sense because it doesn't use battery for stuff you find unnecessary. An Apple Watch is far more than a fitness watch, which is why it can't do 30 days of battery. It is online constantly moving data. i doubt the Garmin bothers to wake up its radio until it's time to transfer data to a phone. They're apples and oranges. To me, the Garmin is useless because it doesn't do the smart watch features that I consider mandatory.

A more apt comparison would be a general purpose tablet like an iPad compared with a basic eInk Kindle. The Kindle is great for one thing, but one thing only while an iPad can run the Kindle app, but also a million other apps. The Kindle's battery lasts forever while the iPad has to be charged daily. It's the same principle. You buy what is important to you.

I wish Apple would offer a fitness focused watch, and less a smartwatch. Even when I had an Apple Watch, I kept notifications turned off, I didn't use HomeKit, didn't text or take calls from my watch, and I have never used Apple Pay from my wrist. I just want a fitness watch, but Apple doesn't offer it...which is bummer.

..and the Ultra is just too big for my tastes.
 
The Feature with satelite.. not on EU - try and go to www.apple.dk .. the section is just missing, because the feature is missing in EU - same watch, higer price, less features.
Here is the list of countries with Satellite SOS: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, the U.K., and the U.S., and I am pretty sure many of them are in Europe (and some are in the EU).
 
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I know lots of us want to see a significant increase in battery but with this type of tech is not really doable. Even switching to silicone carbide wont provide anything comparable to garmin battery life, they are fundamentally designed for different things. However something that would have me switch back to Apple for a fitness watch would be an increase in battery life for gps activities with full gps and hr readings. I think that combined with better heath software would be a no brainer for 99% of athletes. To be fair though Apple Watch probably covers 90% of athletes needs anyway.
 
Battery boost? LOL! I'll keep my Garmin which has more than 3 weeks battery capacity...
I have an AWU2 and a Garmin Epix Pro 2. The Garmin certainly has better battery life but no where near what you claim if you actually use it for anything. If you just strap it on your wrist and never touch it, you might get what you claim on the largest models that look stupid when you wear them. I would assume Garmin's software that looks like it was created by a high school kid in the 90's helps with battery life.

Really, the only time I wear the Garmin is when it's raining or a there's a heavy marine layer. The lack of being able to use buttons and almost complete reliance on touchscreen is my biggest problem with my AWU2.
 
It is positive but still poor. People who want it for fitness compare against Garmin's etc. I would definitely have preferred they kept it 2mm thicker and filled that space with battery. That would more than double the battery size.
That's a bold claim. Do you have data to back that up?
 
I don't know what annoys me more, Apples exaggerated marketing language or macrumor's copy-pasting of Apple's marketing material. You guys become useless as a buying guide because everything is fantastic and best ever.
They just trying to generating clicks, Ever notice the comically high percentage of obvious troll posts here?
 
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