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Apple Watch vs Garmin Forerunner
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I don't see AW being made into a specialty device designed to compete with Garmin's high-end running and triathlon models. Apple makes most of its products to work for 90% of people; they always miss small segments that need really specific features, and they're fine with that; it's their business model.
Garmin definitely goes after the runners and other athletes who want the most detailed information in a device specifically made for their athletic endeavors. I don't see apple wanting or trying to fight over that (small) market when AW works just fine for the great majority of runners.
Garmin definitely goes after the runners and other athletes who want the most detailed information in a device specifically made for their athletic endeavors. I don't see apple wanting or trying to fight over that (small) market when AW works just fine for the great majority of runners.
I agree, most Apple watch users really don't care about ground contact time, l/r balance, etc... LOL
Speaking of Stryd, can it be used without using the Stryd app to log runs? I use the Workoutdoors app for my runs and want to keep using it.
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Ismoothrun supports it, but I don't get along with that app. Workoutdoors sadly does not yet, but the developer has added it to his todo list. I use Stryds own app and it is not too bad for my need, though it doesn't have all the features of workoutdoors. Power2Run can give you power, without extra hardware. I use it as a backup, if I for some reason don't have the stryd footpod with me. But it doesn't have all the benefits of added precision, metrics, data analysis etc. as stryd gives you.
Thanks for the reply. You saved me some money.
I like Workoutdoors too much to think about using something else. The developer (@cfc ) has been fantastic on the forum and that means so much to me and many others here. I will wait until it is supported through WoD.
I have kind of a long story, and the time to tell it. It does relate to these products but only a little bit at the start and a lot at the end.
So, on Tuesday, after a remote meeting, I took a quick nap. Woke with a pain in my right side. Since it was run time I went out to warm up. The heart rate looked a bit high for a warm up (130ish and I was going really light) so I figured it was due to the pain and went home. It came down once I got home. That night I went to bed, laid down and got my butt kicked. Pain under the right rib-cage, down my side and the upper center of my back. I didn't think heart attack, maybe a little bit, but not enough.
I stood up, felt better, checked the symptoms on-line, took some Naproxen. Next day, still a lot of pain but the Naproxen worked. The day after I felt better. Almost 2 days to the minute, the pain was gone.
I thought about it and decided I should go talk to someone. There's a clinic, easy to get into to, especially these days, with regular doctors, and I was figuring gallstone, UTI (what I thought), back pain, not really a heart attack.
I did a zoom call and they said I should come in, get an EKG, so I did. The EKG came back negative. Talking to her, she said it was probably a gallstone, but, there are some odd cases, and I don't think she thinks it was a gallstone, but if it passed, I don't know if we'd ever know what this was. I do know that if you look at a pain map for a gallstone, I nailed all of it. I also think that it being triggered when I laid on my side, and going away a bit when I stood up or laid on my back, is a positive sign. I also have read articles about blockages doing really weird things like this, so that's not a positive sign. The PVC's are scary too as they trigger when I lay down.
I have an ultrasound scheduled and an echocardiogram incoming (are these the same thing, might have misunderstood the doctor). I have good insurance, maxed the deductible with the cataract surgery, so let's do it. I also have a cardiologist whose old people customers are all probably hiding that I could get into if needed.
I also received, a deserved lecture, about going to the ER if this ever happens again. I know the symptoms, I should have (my insurance is good), but the times, the Naproxen, and having gone through a stage of life (mother died, father quit after her death, working for the god control freaks pray to) where I was under a ton of stress, and thinking I had something wrong. Nothing was found and I don't think anything was wrong.
A controlling boss, and most of you think you've had one, but you probably haven't, can tear you apart. They never stop, and all the ******** about meeting their standards is 100% pure BS. There is only one defense, get as far away, as fast as you can, and I couldn't do that because of my father. I have incredible empathy for battered women because I was beat to hell by this guy. You really don't know what's up, or down, and you rationalize all kinds of crazy with it's your fault, I need to do better, blah, blah.
There is no good enough, ever.
I'm probably fine, maybe not, but I guess we'll find out more soon, hopefully, the easy way? Probably the best outcome is we never find out.
Back to the 130 heart rate. I double-checked it and I've hit 130 on a light warm up before. If I just walked the same area, wouldn't have gone past 85 but short sprints, light runs, pain, maybe... When I was doing the warmup I did have a chest strap, but, it was cold, windy, so the chest strap probably hadn't sealed. I wouldn't have expected to hit 130 but I have with Garmin products. I've also had spikes with the Garmin product during runs and warmups. Weird, inconsistent things. Maybe I really have a heart problem, I'm playing Russian Roulette and Garmin is nailing it? Maybe, I have something, maybe I don't, but maybe the Garmin heart rate isn't something I trust so I'm wearing a HRM to fix it.
I really hate charging the Apple Watch twice/day to keep it running. With the lenses I have in my eyes, I have incredibly daylight vision (near 20/20 without glasses at 54 years old) but at night it's actually a little bit hard to see the Apple watch face I like, but that I can get around.
But one thing is true, I trust the damn heart rate sensor. With this watch I don't feel the slightest need for a strap. And, I don't trust the Garmin heart rate at all. I once hit 247 on the heart rate. I drove off after a walk, left it running, and it went bonkers.
I still want to like Garmin products, they were there for me during the tough times, got me running and helped me lose 25 pounds. But, after this I don't know any more. I'm not blaming Garmin, the point is,
I don't trust it.
So, on Tuesday, after a remote meeting, I took a quick nap. Woke with a pain in my right side. Since it was run time I went out to warm up. The heart rate looked a bit high for a warm up (130ish and I was going really light) so I figured it was due to the pain and went home. It came down once I got home. That night I went to bed, laid down and got my butt kicked. Pain under the right rib-cage, down my side and the upper center of my back. I didn't think heart attack, maybe a little bit, but not enough.
I stood up, felt better, checked the symptoms on-line, took some Naproxen. Next day, still a lot of pain but the Naproxen worked. The day after I felt better. Almost 2 days to the minute, the pain was gone.
I thought about it and decided I should go talk to someone. There's a clinic, easy to get into to, especially these days, with regular doctors, and I was figuring gallstone, UTI (what I thought), back pain, not really a heart attack.
I did a zoom call and they said I should come in, get an EKG, so I did. The EKG came back negative. Talking to her, she said it was probably a gallstone, but, there are some odd cases, and I don't think she thinks it was a gallstone, but if it passed, I don't know if we'd ever know what this was. I do know that if you look at a pain map for a gallstone, I nailed all of it. I also think that it being triggered when I laid on my side, and going away a bit when I stood up or laid on my back, is a positive sign. I also have read articles about blockages doing really weird things like this, so that's not a positive sign. The PVC's are scary too as they trigger when I lay down.
I have an ultrasound scheduled and an echocardiogram incoming (are these the same thing, might have misunderstood the doctor). I have good insurance, maxed the deductible with the cataract surgery, so let's do it. I also have a cardiologist whose old people customers are all probably hiding that I could get into if needed.
I also received, a deserved lecture, about going to the ER if this ever happens again. I know the symptoms, I should have (my insurance is good), but the times, the Naproxen, and having gone through a stage of life (mother died, father quit after her death, working for the god control freaks pray to) where I was under a ton of stress, and thinking I had something wrong. Nothing was found and I don't think anything was wrong.
A controlling boss, and most of you think you've had one, but you probably haven't, can tear you apart. They never stop, and all the ******** about meeting their standards is 100% pure BS. There is only one defense, get as far away, as fast as you can, and I couldn't do that because of my father. I have incredible empathy for battered women because I was beat to hell by this guy. You really don't know what's up, or down, and you rationalize all kinds of crazy with it's your fault, I need to do better, blah, blah.
There is no good enough, ever.
I'm probably fine, maybe not, but I guess we'll find out more soon, hopefully, the easy way? Probably the best outcome is we never find out.
Back to the 130 heart rate. I double-checked it and I've hit 130 on a light warm up before. If I just walked the same area, wouldn't have gone past 85 but short sprints, light runs, pain, maybe... When I was doing the warmup I did have a chest strap, but, it was cold, windy, so the chest strap probably hadn't sealed. I wouldn't have expected to hit 130 but I have with Garmin products. I've also had spikes with the Garmin product during runs and warmups. Weird, inconsistent things. Maybe I really have a heart problem, I'm playing Russian Roulette and Garmin is nailing it? Maybe, I have something, maybe I don't, but maybe the Garmin heart rate isn't something I trust so I'm wearing a HRM to fix it.
I really hate charging the Apple Watch twice/day to keep it running. With the lenses I have in my eyes, I have incredibly daylight vision (near 20/20 without glasses at 54 years old) but at night it's actually a little bit hard to see the Apple watch face I like, but that I can get around.
But one thing is true, I trust the damn heart rate sensor. With this watch I don't feel the slightest need for a strap. And, I don't trust the Garmin heart rate at all. I once hit 247 on the heart rate. I drove off after a walk, left it running, and it went bonkers.
I still want to like Garmin products, they were there for me during the tough times, got me running and helped me lose 25 pounds. But, after this I don't know any more. I'm not blaming Garmin, the point is,
I don't trust it.
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I did a 21.5 mile run this morning (low heart rate training) with my AW 5 on my left wrist (along with Scosche Rhythm 24) and my Suunto Spartan on my right wrist. This was my first run since the new update to WatchOS 6.2 etc. and noticed the AW 5 was off by 1.5 miles at the end. This kind of thing happens with a new watch sometimes, until it goes through several of your runs. I didn’t think it would happen after an update.
No, the AW 5 didn’t run out of battery. The latest WatchOS update caused the distance calibration to be off on my run this morning. I didn’t expect that to happen after an update.
definitely not something I’d expect.
That is what I was wondering. If it did, it is going to take several more runs to get it right again. Had to do the same thing when the watch was new. I had to run a extra 1.5 miles today because of the AW. Ha. Good thing it didn’t happen during a race. So glad I had my Suunto with me, to alert me to the (hopefully) temporary problem.
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Me either. I don’t recall seeing this before.On that’s interestingdefinitely not something I’d expect.