Looong time since Apple has been stealing patents. Next step: Apple buys that company just to fire them.
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Apple Watch Won't Face Import Ban as Apple Wins AliveCor ITC Battle
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Well in this case they falsely claimed to patent infringement. There should be some negative to losing these cases. You can sue any company with zero loss if you lose. The only guardrail is if the bloodsucking lawyers think they have a chance and don’t want to waste their time. I’m sure if they think there’s at least a 50-50 chance to get a few hundred million dollars from Apple they’re going to go for it.
I’m not against people suing, but there needs to be some accountability for bogus lawsuits that cost companies like Apple and consumers money. When I buy an iPhone, I’m paying to defend against these lawsuits. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Apple or any other brand this adds to the cost doing business unnecessarily.
That would be funny, but not really effective. OK, yeah they lost their job but they can go down the street and apply somewhere else. Also, that would probably be some sort of illegal thing and then they would really have a case against Apple. What needs to happen is these people need to be held personally liable.
Exactly, at this point both parties have made clear they are going for the maximum. No settlements, no nothing.
Oh boy. There's a whole lot of history there. First just start with the court decision that decided that software is patentable in the first place, rather than just protected by copyright which it should be (and of course already is.)
I got an AliveCor Kardia device (not a watch strap, see photo) before Apple had their ECG, and it was a great, a real innovation. Apple obviously stole AliveCor's patents (you don't need a law degree to see that!), but there's really nothing that AliveCor can do ... Apple just smoothers them.
When is Apple going to start innovating again? I suspect Apple now has more lawyers than engineers. It's pathetic. They need another Steve Jobs and Jony Ive so badly, Apple has lost its way.
When is Apple going to start innovating again? I suspect Apple now has more lawyers than engineers. It's pathetic. They need another Steve Jobs and Jony Ive so badly, Apple has lost its way.
This is a company that actually sells multiple heart related products. Hardly a patent troll with zero products for sale.
My Apple Ultra 2 Watch was acquired before the judgement so everything just works. I have Apple Care and as long as I pay the premium, Apple is on the hook to keep it working with everything operational even if a replacement is necessary.
Regardless of the legitimacy of the company, it was a false claim and they should be responsible
AliveCor sez: "These cases go beyond AliveCor; these cases represent every small company and every future innovation that is at risk of being suppressed by a Goliath."
Patent law is about facts, technical merit, and priority claims. When a company shifts its argument to emotional rhetoric based on religious mythology or claims of oppression, you know they failed to establish the legal merit of their case.
Patent law is about facts, technical merit, and priority claims. When a company shifts its argument to emotional rhetoric based on religious mythology or claims of oppression, you know they failed to establish the legal merit of their case.
The US patent system has been broken since the 1990s when the patent office shifted from rigorously determining the technical merit of a claim to one which favored approval and shifting the burden of determining validity to the courts. It turned totally rotten when it started liberally granting software patents and, worse, "business method" patents.
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Nah. Apple will develop bands with sensors, offloading the need for them to be on the watch. Then, either Apple will release one that samples SPO2 using a different methodology, or they will allow 3rd party companies to produce bands with sensors. Won’t have to wait until 2028 for that. Such a system will offload regulatory hurdles to 3rd parties for future sensors, too.
Assuming you are referring to AliveCore (not Masimo patents, which have been upheld to be valid and infringed by Apple), even the USPTO found Apple infringed the patents. So this is NOT a false or frivolous claim by AliveCore.
The fact is, Apple did infringe the AliveCore's patent. PTAB's finding of some claims to be invalid is the issue. Not whether Apple infringed or not.
Right in the article it says that they were invalidated. Clearly they weren’t legitimate patents or the court wouldn’t have sided with Apple.
Again my point stands that if you sue someone and you don’t have a case then there should be some negative consequences. It shouldn’t be like oops, I’m sorry I cost you millions of dollars, my bad. At a bare minimum that company should have to cover the cost of Apple’s lawyers. More realistically, they should also have to pay for damage caused to the Apple brand. Just your comment saying that Apple did something they didn’t even do shows that this lawsuit did hurt the brand. Even though they were completely innocent, that’s not necessarily going to be the case in the court of public opinion.
US Patent system is flawed in its basis… it gives space to patent trolls and money to lawyers.
If you patent the water, someone will infringe it sooner or later.
If you patent the water, someone will infringe it sooner or later.
Masimo behave like a patent troll even if they are not. Masimo is not even competing in the same market, they have nothing comparable to an Apple Watch, and the lawsuit was a joke.
You aren’t a payment troll if you are making products that are being infringed. Now Maximo doesn’t have a great reputation, but they make a lot of oxygen saturation measuring devices. Alivecor battled the FDA to even get the idea of an ekg on the phone (and Apple used to showcase it) but once they wanted it, suddenly no more. But that’s not being a troll, when the big company stomps on your market, that you built.
You gotta be kidding, right? Do you know anything about Masimo and the type of devices they make and how much they spend on R&D?
I’ll reference the post I made after the one you quoted because it addresses the subject of your post.