so are you saying that if i buy something from one vendor X, then vendor Y should also give the same product for free?
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Apple Welcomes Kindle Fire Tablet and More Android Fragmentation
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so are you saying that if i buy something from one vendor X, then vendor Y should also give the same product for free?
Why did they sell all Kindle books at $9.99 when they sometimes had to pay more than that to get the selling rights.
Because the point was to get folks to the site to buy the things they do make money on.
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that's why Apple isn't worried. The market for this device is not the same as for the iPad. so the sales won't be coming from the iPad but from the folks that were never going to buy the iPad in the first place. Apple's market share will go down but due to the total numbers going up not because anything cut into their sales. And who cares if your market share is only 80% and not 85% when you are selling millions of whatever every quarter and your stock value is going higher and higher
Plus once you get folks to put their toes in the water it's easier to get them to dive in. The Kindle Fire could actually get many anti-tablet folks in the game and they end up wishing they could do more and some of them could turn to the iPad for that because the Fire is just about their Amazon media and limited other stuff. So it's a win in the end.
When the original Macintosh came out, Steve wanted to sell it for $1999.00, but Sculley said no. $2495.00. This greatly reduced market share and allowed Windows PC's to gain a stronghold in the market. Sometimes market share is more important than profits per unit.
No. I'm not saying that in any way. You completely missed the context of the conversation.
I could see them doing it but not by making a 7 inch anything.
More like when the storage prices are such that they could go up to 32 or even 64 as the base, they keep the 16 GB as the 'cheap' model. Maybe pull a Macbook and keep selling the 16 GB wifi only to schools and students online. But I don't see the price going down below $299.
But it's not a market only compromised of Android tablets. Note Tim Cook said "Android Fragmentation", not "7 inch tablets priced between 100$ and 300$ Fragmentation".
So in essence, I don't know why you're defending Tim's obvious FUD.
Oh, but in some cases you can. You know what I want a tablet to do? Email, web browsing, ebooks, and Netflix in a package smaller than a real computer but more comfortable for extended use than a phone. I don't care about playing Angry Birds. I don't care about having a dedicated app for a website like Newegg or Yelp. I certainly don't care about a million chess clones, fart noises, or most of the other filler available. If I need more than the four core abilities I just listed, the laptop is coming along anyway.
Oh, and LOL.
You are right. Tim is not seeing the big picture here. Steve Jobs would have. Once these cheap Amazon tablets gain a foothold and Apple starts losing market share they will be forced to either lower prices or come out with a competing product.
And the reality is if iPad sales are big as hinted, you probably will start seeing developers making apps for the iPad then maybe porting over to Android.
What's the difference ? The Kindle Fire is not an Android tablet. It's a Kindle Fire. Amazon made darn sure to lock the thing to its eco-system.
This makes Apple sound so juvenile.
What's juvenile about saying "we aren't worried about X company's product hurting our sales". It's not like Tim Cook stood up and said "why would anyone want to buy that lame piece of crap. It's so stupid. You'd have to be a gay retard to buy a Kindle."
In both cases, Apple didn't have much of a choice in filing those suits because Trademark/dress laws demand that you actively defend against all possible infringement or lose your mark (most famous example is aspirin).
And on the whole demand the product be seized by customs and criminal charges that could just be how the game is played in Spain and Apple had to play by those rules.
I'm defending nothing more than a belief that Tim Cook has a rather better grasp of the realities of this marketplace than the vast majority of semi-anonymous posters on MacRumors - a contention that appears to be borne out by the evidence.
One thing that might be worth pointing out however, is that a good reason to single out Android in his comments was that it is clear from Steve Jobs' biography that he regarded Android as a theft of Apple's intellectual property and was determined to see it broken. As such, it would hardly be surprising if Apple didn't single Android out for special comment when the circumstances warranted it.
Maybe if Bezos sold the Kidle fire or a little extra, he could do away with the sweatshop conditions in his warehouses.
Ok, well I am only basing my last point on what this very website amongst other reports on, lets not forget this website reported on an iPhone 4S just as much as an iPhone 5, believe what you want?
Secondly, Apple has never had any competition like what the Kindle Fire will bring, very cheap pricing and an eco system that can comfortably compete and a name consumers trust. That's why I fully believe it will be different and that Apple is well aware of this, I actually predict more slander from the company as the Fire gains market share.
And thirdly, well seeing as the company I posted the link about proved, in court, beyond doubt that it had not impeded on one single 'Apple Patent' I think proves just how arrogant Apple has become, it thinks it can sue ANY tablet maker in the world. And the small company is quite rightly counter suing now on basis of Apple acting in 'anti competitiveness behaviour', which IMO they are more then guilty off. It's got nothing to do with protecting 'intellectual property', as stated by Apple's own lawyers in the Australian courts, and everything to do with eco system sales and market share. Apple is becoming a company incapable of living in a world with competition no matter how tiny a threat they are.
If it keeps it up, trying to sue everybody, one day they will be slapped for anti competition behaviour.
Apple, despite what it or you might think, did NOT invent the square or oblong shape with rounded corners.
And you're pointing this out by stating he probably meant something completely different than what he said. Gotcha.
The reality is it's a potshot. There's no understanding there, it's simply FUD. It's meant to be scary to consumers to make them buy the iPad.
Exactly. That's what FUD is, that's what you said Tim Cook was doing when you replied to the original response, you were saying he had some intimate knowledge of the market we didn't have. But you just admitted right here that he's simply spreading FUD.
Thank you for finally understanding and seeing the light.
And it won't. Because the audience for the Fire is not the same as the iPad and it will pull sales from the folks that haven't bought a tablet yet cause they didn't think they needed it. They just need to read their books, maybe listen to some music etc. Just what the Fire will do for them.
Of course folks will claim that the Fire has cannibalized sales cause they will look at crazy sales figures in a couple of weeks against 'weak' iPad sales forgetting that folks always stop buying Apple's current line up 2-3 months before the next one is supposed to be out cause they want to save their money to get the latest and greatest. So for those in the iPad audience it will be SOP not to buy an iPad for that holiday gift but a gift card they can use in Jan-Mar when the next iPad comes out. and it would be that game regardless of the presence of the Fire.
Again, you are misunderstanding the point. Apple views a large, unified Android ecosystem as the most significant competitive threat to the Apple. Anything that fragments the non-iPad portion of the tablet market into smaller ecosystems is good for Apple.
That's pretty funny. Do you really think Steve Jobs would have been more concerned about the low end of the market then Tim Cook?
I'm waiting for the first article about the kid that tries to divorce his parents cause they got him a Fire and not the iPad that he asked for