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Memory prices have doubled, Macs and iPads have gone up, and iPhones are expected to follow. Ed Zitron – who writes the Where's Your Ed At newsletter, hosts the Better Offline podcast, and has been described by Politico as the AI boom's most "acerbic gadfly" – has spent years arguing the buildout driving those costs will never pay for itself.

We asked him what happens to Apple if he's right.

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You've been calling AI a bubble since before it was fashionable. For MacRumors readers who mostly know it as ChatGPT or Apple Intelligence on their iPhone, what, in plain terms, is actually broken about the economics of the LLM industry?

At their very core, Large Language Models' costs run contrary to basically every model of selling software.

Consumers and enterprises alike have been trained to pay a monthly fee for a service, and while these services might have limits or strictures, basically nobody buying software expects to have a metered service, let alone one that's both metered and with hard to measure costs.

LLMs burn tokens at a per-million rate regardless of whether or not you get the response you want, or whether it does what you ask it to do. If you ask a coding agent to do some sort of software task and it goes off and spins its wheels in a loop, you're paying for the tokens regardless.

AI companies knew that consumers would never pay the actual cost of their AI services, so they have, for the most part, sold them monthly subscriptions with vague rate limits that allow them to burn way more in tokens than the cost of their subscription. SemiAnalysis found that you can burn hundreds of dollars on a $20-a-month subscription and thousands of dollars on a $200-a-month subscription, and while AI boosters will claim that these companies have "70% gross margins on tokens," there is little proof that this is the case, and my own reporting shows that OpenAI lost $20.9 billion on $13.07 billion in revenue in 2025.

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This means the very basic economics are broken. If Anthropic and OpenAI believed customers would actually pay the real cost of AI tokens, they wouldn't have to give away 20 to 40 times the amount of tokens to subscribers.

Meanwhile, back in March of this year, both moved their enterprise customers over to token-based billing. Within a few weeks, it came out that Uber had spent its entire annual token budget in the space of a quarter, and its COO said that it was getting "harder to justify" the cost of AI because it was hard to track the cost of AI to any actual useful features shipping. Sam Altman would eventually say it was a "huge issue" but declined to say how it might be fixed.

This is a problem across basically every single AI-powered startup, which has to pay the per-million token rate. Perplexity, Cursor, GitHub Copilot (which moved to token-based billing in June) – every single AI startup is unprofitable because their users don't want to pay the actual cost of AI.

Another issue is that AI services are just not that useful or differentiated. While people get some sort of benefit out of AI-generated code, these tools actually end up making them slower, and are filling codebases full of slop. Otherwise, an LLM is an LLM is an LLM – it can generate, it can summarize, it can search, and that's about it, which means that every AI service is effectively the same. That's why 89% of all AI revenues are Anthropic and OpenAI, and why every AI startup talks in terms of "annualized revenue" (monthx12) – because actual revenues are very depressing. Even then, most are barely at $100 million annualized.

Then there are the data centers. An AI data center is very, very expensive to build, takes 18 to 36 months, and costs billions of dollars, which means effectively anyone building one will be raising debt and only get paid once a customer moves in... except there aren't really any customers for AI data centers outside of Anthropic and OpenAI, both of whom are so unprofitable that they've had to raise hundreds of billions of dollars even when Microsoft, Google and Amazon built all their infrastructure.

The only reason everybody isn't freaking out about this is because AI-related stocks have done well, even though none of the hyperscalers actually share their AI revenues.

You've argued that AI's demand story is essentially a mirage – that most of the data center capacity is being absorbed by OpenAI and Anthropic themselves, which is masking the absence of real enterprise demand. If that's right, who do you think will actually bear the cost when the whole thing unravels?

Honestly, it's going to be a lot of private credit funds, because they're the ones funding the data centers, and they're funded by pension funds like the SF teachers fund or CalPERS, which makes me really, really worried about the systemic contagion.

People will argue that this means there's going to be a bailout, but this isn't really a bailoutable thing. These data centers are funded by project financing, which means that the money is basically gone and the only way to "make them whole" would be to either buy out the debt or feed them revenues. While you could theoretically bail out these special purpose vehicles (SPVs), doing so would be to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars and be political cancer.

I also fundamentally believe that Oracle gets killed by OpenAI. Its revenues have been stagnating for 20 years, and the only way it's kept its head above water is $85bn+ in acquisitions, and even then, that's just kept things flat. Its bets on AI data centers – $340bn+ with hundreds of billions in debt – require OpenAI to become t... Click here to read rest of article

Article Link: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts - Ed Zitron
 
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Ed Zitron is just another talking head in front of a webcam. He isn’t qualified in any way to talk about almost any subject he covers. He has no professional expertise in deep learning or building any tech companies or useful applications.

AI in all its forms is here to stay and will be embedded throughout many applications, devices and appliances. It’s not going to vanish. Talking heads with webcams said bitcoin was going to go to zero. If something silly like bitcoin is worth nearly 70,000 grand today then AI which is used by half of humanity is not going to “burst” and vanish.

Ed will be long gone one day. AI won’t be.

One really needs to ask if any of these influencers and talking heads manipulate markets or have short positions in the things they speak against.
 
Honest question: the depicted scenario takes into account that Transformer LLM based economy crashes itself in the long (well, not so long) run. What if a new AI technology takes hold like, let’s say RNNs (Recurrent Neural Networks)? Apple’s paper shows that ParaRNN brings a lot of efficiency in training, making them, for many tasks, a better alternative.
So, to expand on the article: the world can only support one or two transformer LLMs which do dedicated general knowledge tasks, and don’t need no way near as much compute as they have now. The rest will be RNNs, running on device and decentralized. Apple is in an incredible advantage position in this regard. I hope they stick with their RNN guns.
 
Haven’t paid a dime for AI usage except for utility costs. Everything is run locally on device or on desktop and no plans to change. Apple Studio Max hardware is amazing. 😎
 
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It really comes down to the oversubscription rate. A 10–20X cost basis is rough, but the real question is how many casual subscribers who barely use it can offset that. Right now, it’s probably not many because most people only subscribe when they need it, and free tiers are adequate for casual users. There’s a bubble forming on the horizon, and it’s quickly heading toward a giant needle. The big question is what the landscape will look like afterward and which players will still be in the game.
 
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Ed Zitron is just another talking head in front of a webcam. He isn’t qualified in any way to talk about almost any subject he covers. He has no professional expertise in deep learning or building any tech companies or useful applications.

AI in all its forms is here to stay and will be embedded throughout many applications, devices and appliances. It’s not going to vanish. Talking heads with webcams said bitcoin was going to go to zero. If something silly like bitcoin is worth nearly 70,000 grand today then AI which is used by half of humanity is not going to “burst” and vanish.

Ed will be long gone one day. AI won’t be.

One really needs to ask if any of these influencers and talking heads manipulate markets or have short positions in the things they speak against.
He's not saying that AI is going anywhere. He IS saying that the spending that Open AI is doing isn't sustainable and this bubble of trying to monetize AI is something that will burst. AI isn't going to go anywhere, but this grifter phase of AI where people are trying to figure out how to make a quick buck out of it is going to end. It's just like the Dot Com bubble. The internet didn't go anywhere, but the bubble did burst and it did end a lot of early web businesses, and eventually the internet evolved to something more useful. But to think that what is going on with the AI businesses is going to continue like we're currently seeing is insanely naive. These people pouring billions of dollars in these companies is not going to keep doing so if there's no return on their investments
 
Nice interview!

I think one thing that is still missing to me, and nobody talks about, is that whatever the fate of AI is, hyperscalers will own pretty much all the hardware out there.

On the other hand, I think customer market for computers will not recover after this, we will never see 64G of ram for $120 and prices will never go down.

All together, makes me fear a future where hyperscalers will try to sell us simply terminals under subscription to being able to access the computing power on the Cloud. I hope not, but all is going into that direction.
 
I feel like this guy misses the point that the rich and all these companies all know its a farce. (much like many of their schemes and scams) Just like so much of our economic and business systems etc. They're all based on nonsense, hopes, dreams, farts. Capex this, capex that. As long as stonks go uppity and investors are fat that's all that matters. They will inflate any bubble. Sure it might burst here at some point, but don't act like that wasn't the plan all along. Oh and guess what, its not the end of the world! That bubble bursts? Money shifts around, industries shift around, and the rich continue to get richer. A new world and new opportunities will be born out of the burst. Just like the .com burst. Just like all the other bubbles that have popped. AI is here to stay, and its been here before these rich dorks drowned us in marketing about it.
 
Ed’s an attention grifter that monetizes AI fear by offering cope to the masses. Total luddite. He’s not a technologist or an economist. He’s just someone who licked his thumb and gave the market a voice that it wants. That’s the true definition of slop.

I remember when this website was a celebration of technology. Now it’s barely clickbait.
 
AI in all its forms is here to stay and will be embedded throughout many applications, devices and appliances. It’s not going to vanish. Talking heads with webcams said bitcoin was going to go to zero. If something silly like bitcoin is worth nearly 70,000 grand today then AI which is used by half of humanity is not going to “burst” and vanish.


There is a difference between AI and data centers. AI is here to stay but that doesn't mean the infrastructure used to run them is the same. The models are the real valuable product, the data centers are just large money sinks needed to run what companies think is the AI business model. With much more powerful consumer and desktop processors, on device Ai is the next big thing, IMHO. That addresses data privacy concerns and the tool can be tailored to an individual need, not a large generic model that attempts to address everyone. Having specific criteria and data requirements makes smaller models and efficient way to use AI, which I currently do for free on my MacBook. It's not as fast as Claude, but speed is not an issue for me.

Local LLMs also mean models will no longer be free but like subscription based and bespoke for larger companies for a fee.
 
He needs to experience Siri AI yet, apparently (because it is really quite good), but otherwise he‘s spot on. It is really wild (in a horrible way) how much Big Tech (except Apple) has put all their eggs (plus loads of borrowed eggs) in the same flimsy basket.
It’s really not. I just asked it a question and it completely whiffed the answer. ChatGPT and Grok both nailed it.
On Device requests have also been slower and less accurate than the older version of Siri, especially when responding to text messages by voice while I’m wearing headphones.
 
in all its forms is here to stay and will be embedded throughout many applications, devices and appliances. It’s not going to vanish

How long was Amazon in the red? For how many years did they focus solely on growth?

I think only three AI providers will survive:

OpenAI, Anthropic, and Gemini.

How many active users do they have?
How many would be willing to pay 10–20€ per month if free access were increasingly restricted or eliminated?

All these people are hooked on AI for now, but what about later?

Who wants to go back to Google Search and wade through 10 pages of results?

Don’t forget:
People pay ridiculous prices at Apple for iPhone cases and stuff.
 
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