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Apple Working on Advanced Gesturing and Multi-Touch Version of iWork

str1f3 said:
If this is your belief then it will cater to a very, very small crowd unlike the iPhone. It will not only be ubergeeks that have a problem with this. The average user generally has basic apps which are necessary for them. And yes, photo and video editing are two of them. When you mention that these people want to watch their movies, this also include home movies which they edit. These can be replaced by third party apps.

I don't think that this is just some content consuming device. I think that this is eventually where the Mac OS is headed. This tablet will be initially underpowered but it will be considerably moreso in the years to come.

The question I have is how open will this OS be considering Apple has shown recently that they'd completely lock down an OS.
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basic video editing is likely and possible, such as already on the iphone. but you can't expect final cut to run. at least not in the near future.

this is to be a consumer device for primarily for consuming. yes that means playing back and basic edits of videos and photos, but do you really want to be encoding on a machine that's not powerful enough to run a fully powered os x?

it won't be a replacement for creators, but could be for consumers.
 
http://www.fingerworks.com/gesture_guide.html


As recently as two days ago this link worked and referenced numerous fingerworks gestures that were in existence back in 2007 when Apple acquired them. It has now been shut down. I smell some track covering. Not that I dont think its obvious that the new tablet will feature advanced multitouch, I think that this change to the fingerworks website is further evidence.

It will take a bit of time to learn this new feature "language". But this will represent the start of a new revolution in computing.
 
melchior said:
basic video editing is likely and possible, such as already on the iphone. but you can't expect final cut to run. at least not in the near future.

this is to be a consumer device for primarily for consuming. yes that means playing back and basic edits of videos and photos, but do you really want to be encoding on a machine that's not powerful enough to run a fully powered os x?

it won't be a replacement for creators, but could be for consumers.
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The average user or even ubergeek doesn't need Final Cut or Photoshop. Those are for people who need it for work and not play. If iMovie, Acorn or Pixelmator were moved to this platform then that should be enough.

Regardless of Apple's intentions it will be a computer because of the App Store apps. The most important question is how locked down will this platform be. This nonsense of locking people into the App Store will have to end.


Looking at any sci-fi movie tells you that gesture-based controls on touscreens future. I'd hate for Apple's version of the future resembling 1984 rather than Star Trek.
 
kennycheng93 said:
Don't tell me we will need to buy iWork separately if we buy Apple Tablet.
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cmaier said:
Why not? You had to buy it separately for your Apple Mac.
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I think there'll be basic iWork Mobile for the slate. That's something they'll need to push to get people to buy the tablet. Then again, basic and full version are one more version that they don't want to do.

The only thing I want in iWork is...OneNote type of app. That'll be the killer app for me on both Macs and iSlates.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
Possibly, but I digress.

What reproducible scenario are you inferring?

what ownership read/write permissions are on your files and in you basic system configuration for security?

644? 611?

Are you parent folders 755? 711?

What suid do you have on your files?
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But Apples are supposed to "just work".

Why are you asking the Unix geeky questions?
 
Handwriting

I think iWork will support handwriting. I'm not sure if people prefer virtual keyboard or handwriting. I personally like handwriting more.

I hope on Jan. 26th or 27th, Apple will update MBP, MBA, announce iSlate, iLife 10 and iWork 10.
 
Voice recognition would be key for tablet-based iwork

i could see that voice recognition would be key for productivity apps on a tablet - because typing will always be a challenge - i.e. tweaked neck, etc.

Now it seems like decent voice recognition is happening with servers. Dragon iphone server-based dictation is pretty good, especially as it requires no training (unlike the desktop version). I've got no experience with google voice but i assume its comparable to dragon's.

I always thought it would be a great use of apple's multi-billion dollar stash to invest some of it in pushing the edge of voice recognition. But alas the lack of cutting-edge software/hardware or even rumors indicate that this is probably not the case.

It would be awesome if apple designed a chip specifically to boost voice recognition to the next level. Perhaps a chip/software would work with servers to even push it further. Well it should be interesting to see how :apple: deals with text on a tablet -> heres to hopin you'll surprise me steve.
 
It will not be OS X as we know it on Macs, but a Mobile OS using specially built gesture friendly software for productivity apps. Little, if any current software will work unless it is an App built to Mobile OS X specifications, and yes it WILL be sold through the App store. Some developers and a few consumers don't like this, but it is the easiest way to buy and sell software ever invented.
 
In relation to the above comments, it is true that there are Microsoft Office alternatives that are much better (interface). But the problem is that the world has a standard, which sadly is the horrible Microsoft Office.

That is why it is so important that the Apple Tablet runs Microsoft Office. That is why it has been so important that the Mac runs the also horrible Windows. Sadly, you need it sometimes and such feature makes million of PC users to switch to Mac as well.

Concerning Microsoft Office on the Apple Tablet, you need it for compatibility with the Windows world when dealing with complex (not necessarily long) documents with fonts, backgrounds, colors, tables, pictures, animations, etc.

There are incompatibilities between Microsoft Office for Mac versions, there are also incompatibilities between Microsoft Office for Windows versions, and there are of course incompatibilities between Microsoft Office for Mac and Windows. But they are far less than between Microsoft Office and other developers/packages.

Sad but true. That is why, as much as I HATE all Microsoft horrible products, I need them in my Mac. Just for compatibility with the world.
 
Aaahhhh, how long has it been since I predicted this? A year or two :confused::confused: :D

I just hope the multi-touch gestures and chords don't get too crazy with this interface because some of finger works ideas were overly complicated and poorly implemented!

I will also predict right now that the 'SURPRISING' way the user will interact with iSlate, will be advanced multi-touch and chords! So let it be written! :D
 
MacFly123 said:
Aaahhhh, how long has it been since I predicted this? A year or two :confused::confused: :D

I just hope the multi-touch gestures and chords don't get too crazy with this interface because some of finger works ideas were overly complicated and poorly implemented!

I will also predict right now that the 'SURPRISING' way the user will interact with iSlate, will be advanced multi-touch and chords! So let it be written! :D
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that's hardly a prediction at this point.

greygray said:
Could this mean Apple is going to give the Tablet a touch optimized OS X?
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and neither is this.
 
Thank-you. Excellent post.

When I watch Ballmer at CES using the HP tablet he looked so awkward in using it. Trying to hold the edges without mistakenly touching the surface is hard work. Also as you point out if you holding the device with one hand means you only have one hand free for input. Works much better on a smaller device whereby you can hold the device without losing the use of both hands. I'm really not sure how they're going to overcome these input issues. Therefore I think the formfactor will be much different than a basic rectangle.

martint84 said:
I think Andy Inhatko pretty much sums it up http://bit.ly/4D1u30

The iPhone UI isn’t a desktop user interface where a pen takes the place of a mouse ... which is the model that previous smartphones followed. It was designed to be held in one hand and tapped with your thumb. Occasionally you’d use the index finger of the right hand to key things in.

You want to try to figure out the UI of the RAT (Rumored Apple Tablet)? Go get yourself a comic book, or any other rectangle that measures roughly 10” on the diagonal. Hold it as though you’re reading what’s on the surface.

You see the problem? Your fingers get in the way. Think about how big that surface is, too. That’s a lot of acreage to scan, looking for the right buttons to push.

While you’ve got it in your hands, imagine that it’s a sheet of thin steel. That’s heavy, isn’t it? Hard to hold up for long periods of time.

Think about how a user interface would have to incorporate those observations. Now imagine that you’ve been doing this experiment for four years and not four minutes.​
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andiwm2003 said:
i so hope that is true. it would make the tablet work for me. also i then expect pixelmator/photoshop et al. to follow.
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I personally hope that logic studio will be available for the tablet. I can see people using mainstage on their tablets when performing live, or writing music in logic pro.

I think apple will make an external display specifically for the tablet, so that when you plug the screen in, the tablet becomes a keyboard, with a virtual mouse (this could be a large circle, that you move your finger in, and tap to click) and this would make the input method a bit similar to the macs we have today.

:apple:SnowLeopard48:apple:
 
aswitcher said:
iSlate with OSX supporting iWorks and decent virtual keyboard. Sold. This is what I want to replace my MBP.
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If it has a video output, it will also replace my MB unibody :)

I just watch movies and make Keynote presentation with it, so an iSlate will be perfect
 
Foot Soldiers

Looks like the Apple foot soldiers are out in force now....
There seem to be a few 'ex-employees' spreading rumors this-n-that...
 

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Nic0 said:
If it has a video output, it will also replace my MB unibody :)

I juste watch movies and make Keynote presentation with it, so an iSlate will be perfect
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it will be funny if the islate if the first apple computer to have hdmi out.

that being said, a lot of the processor intensive applications people are demanding, their software for photo, video and music production should expect to see more in the way or remote software that takes advantage of fast wireless networking rather than processor cycles.
 
what i would do

If i was making a 7-10 inch slate type thing I would not go for thumb control on the slate like the iphone, what makes most sense to me would be to have at least some of the gestures done by your fingers on the back of the slate as you hold it , holding with both hands my apple remote keyboard is going to give you two thumbs that can each cover a small part of the front , but 8 fingers able to do all sorts of things on the back, plus they dont obscure or smear the screen, just a thought and remember you heard it here first :)
 
my guess at apple tablet spec

My prediction for an Apple tablet spec

10-13 inch multi-touch screen display
2gb ram
120-250gb solid state hard drive
2x usb 2.0 in put
mini DVI out
bulit-in iSight cam
external superdrive from mac book air can be used to install software
an optional stylus can be used (stylus could have a built in microphone?)

next versions of iLife and iWork will offer support

Loigc and Final Cut will not work on the device

some form of apple drawing tool to take advantage of the touch screen (sketchpad???)
 
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