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Didn't they have months to do this? Were they just hoping it would get vetoed by Biden?
chances are they ahve been working on it since well before them losing the case just it now being rushed even more so. Plus for head lines it sounds better. It also pretty telling they dont have a fix that it is not simple and APple is in a bad spot.
 
Because they want over $100 per watch. That's why Apple has been fighting; there's a ton of bad blood between Apple and Masimo because Apple poached a whole bunch of their staff.

This patent isn’t worth $100 per Watch because it doesn’t even work that good.

I’m sure Apple can come up with something that works better than this thing.
 
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Massive class action if they did that and it would be a massive class action Apple would lose hard.
No just disable it for watches being sold in the USA after the date going forward. Change the website not to reflect it has 02 sensor. If they come up with a solution, they can always enable it. I'm sure they would sell great without it since most people could care less and it doesn't even work well. Win for customers, Win for Apple, Win for Mossimo.
 
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Yes and no -- in this case Masimo is publicly traded (the risk one takes with that kind of financing). And interestingly enough in this case most float is held by institutional investors with #1 being BlackRock (followed by Fidelity and Vanguard). Unless the founder/CEO has some special rights, I am sure there is a price a firm like BlackRock would accept...

BlackRock is one of the largest shareholders of Apple. And BlackRock would loose more money if there is a ban on Apple products.
 
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Outside of those with pulmonary disease or the extreme hiker/mountain climber, I can’t imagine how the pulse ox is useful day to day. I’ve never used mine on my Ultra and I’m not sure most of my peers with Series 6 and up watches are even aware of the feature.
The addition of oxygen sensor always seemed like a pandemic era feature that might not have been a top priority otherwise.
 
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I wondered about that too. I imagine that since October, or before, Apple would have in the background be prepared to lose this case at least at this level and have an immediate response to switch over to something viable that still allows them to sell Series 9 and Ultra.

I'm a bit surprised that Apple has come out to officially say they'll halt sales on Dec 21. You'd think that months before, they'd have a strategy in the works so that it doesn't lead to them having to make such a public announcement.

To me, this would make a good investigative journalism to see what's going on behind the scenes.
Does it really hurt them in the short term? The announcement that sales would stop could accelerate purchases before Xmas and then they might suddenly come out with the software fix much earlier than anyone expects.
 
Yes and no -- in this case Masimo is publicly traded (the risk one takes with that kind of financing). And interestingly enough in this case most float is held by institutional investors with #1 being BlackRock (followed by Fidelity and Vanguard). Unless the founder/CEO has some special rights, I am sure there is a price a firm like BlackRock would accept...
Lol, its not an eighties movie with Michael J Fox.
 
Hmmm... according to Bloomberg...

"The ITC ban only applies to Apple’s direct sales channels, so third-party retailers like Walmart Inc., Best Buy Co. and Target Corp. can continue offering the device. Walmart and Best Buy both said Monday that they don’t plan to stop."

Tempest in a teacup?
 
Hmmm... according to Bloomberg...

"The ITC ban only applies to Apple’s direct sales channels, so third-party retailers like Walmart Inc., Best Buy Co. and Target Corp. can continue offering the device. Walmart and Best Buy both said Monday that they don’t plan to stop."

Tempest in a teacup?

No, because they can't be imported. So what's here (US) can be sold, but no more can be brought in.
 
Does it really hurt them in the short term? The announcement that sales would stop could accelerate purchases before Xmas and then they might suddenly come out with the software fix much earlier than anyone expects.
I'm thinking image control here, not short or long term timeframe. It doesn't seem to be good image control to have to announce they are halting sales of two of their own products due to legal issues.
 
Looks like I will not be downloading that update lol
The solution for Apple is so simple. Disable the sensor for all new ones brought into the USA after Dec 25 so they can keep selling until they figure out a solution. No need to disable it for those already purchased as that would be bad PR for Apple and might lead to legal action.
 
So much Tim Cook innovation


Sorry, but it just gets harder and harder to block out the reality of Apple's falling back with downvoting. Those that downvoted should maybe be more constructive, like jump in and help the Apple devs "innovate" their way out of a last minute patent infringement driven update to a fossilized product line. On the positive side at least its gotten Tim's attention for now just enough by disrupting his bean counting.
 
The solution for Apple is so simple. Disable the sensor for all new ones brought into the USA after Dec 25 so they can keep selling until they figure out a solution. No need to disable it for those already purchased as that would be bad PR for Apple and might lead to legal action.
I would agree but if Apple does this should they still be charging the same price for the watch?

During the supply chain shortages, automakers were selling vehicles with missing features such as heated seats and giving a discount for the missing features.
 
Yea I was trying to find info on this case. Its pretty wild, but here's my 15 minutes of research by an idiot.

Masimo has some good tech that is used in the healthcare industry for pulse oximetry and other fancy stuff. They're releasing their own FDA approved watch to measure these things. I didn't see the report about $100 per watch but that is crazy high for patent rights and would make Apple Watches way more expensive.
Apple sold approximately 54 million watches in 2022 worth $14-18 billion.
Masimo is worth about $6.15 billion.
Masimo sued Philips over the same or similar tech (I'm no patent lawyer) in 2014 and won for around $500 million in damages and Philips lawyers complained that the patent was for tech that was "obvious" and the patent was apparently forever. These are biased lawyers so take that with a grain of salt.
So apple seems to have done wrong. But Masimo makes a lot of money from these lawsuits and may or may not be hard to work with for patent rights.

Holy crap Apple, just buy the whole company at this point... They can take a hit for one year and own the patents and all future patents from Masimo for their stuff in the future.
 
Jumping from McDonalds to Burger King - yes, but in the real world, non-compete agreements etc. exist and some employees willingly sign them.

A non-compete agreement is between the employer and employee. If that is the case they should be suing their ex employees, not Apple. Apple was not a party to that agreement.
 
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