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Is Apple planning to restore any of the vast audiobook functionality they dropped in 8.4?

Such as being able to display the track name or remember the current position?
 
Is Apple planning to restore any of the vast audiobook functionality they dropped in 8.4?

Such as being able to display the track name or remember the current position?

Can you expand on that a bit? I use an 64Gb 3rd Gen iPod Touch (Hey, it still works fine, so I've never felt the need to upgrade it). I do about 3 hours of commute every day and audiobooks are the thing that keep me sane on the long drives. I know at some point my iPod Touch will die and I'll need to get a new one, but it sounds like there's problems from what you're saying. I know I can still load audiobooks onto my Nexus 5 and play them through the Audible app, but it'd be nice to have a backup of having a copy in iTunes that I know I can listen to on an iPod....
 
It's impossible to do streaming without DRM, by sheer fact that you have a time-limited subscription that could technically end at any time. You need some way to cut off access to the music when this finishes, hence you need some sort of DRM. Without it, nobody would subscribe past the trial. They'd get a trial, download all the songs they want, and then cancel and keep the songs. With purchases, going DRM-less makes the most sense, since it's a one time transaction.

Remember that what you describe here (ripping private copies) was exactly the legal situation until a few years ago ?
 
"Apple is planning to add Home Sharing to iOS 9. In response to a tweet about the removal of Home Sharing for music, Cue tweeted "We are working to have Home Sharing in iOS 9.""

Ya, that's umm....really good... thank's for not answering the question directly... Apple has a had allot of practice...

It's like trying to draw blood from a stone..... (um... i never understood that one either)
 
Can you expand on that a bit? I use an 64Gb 3rd Gen iPod Touch (Hey, it still works fine, so I've never felt the need to upgrade it). I do about 3 hours of commute every day and audiobooks are the thing that keep me sane on the long drives. I know at some point my iPod Touch will die and I'll need to get a new one, but it sounds like there's problems from what you're saying. I know I can still load audiobooks onto my Nexus 5 and play them through the Audible app, but it'd be nice to have a backup of having a copy in iTunes that I know I can listen to on an iPod....

Apple broke Audiobooks with 8.4

They are now part of iBooks rather than the Music app. Individual track titles are gone. Individual track art is gone. Playlists are gone. Ratings are gone. Played/unplayed status is gone. Remembering which track and current playback time is gone. The ability to browse other audiobook albums while still listening to another album is gone. I've also heard support for non-AAC files is gone.
 
I wonder if we are going to have to wait until 9 to have the Music app fixed as well? Lots of people are reporting issues with album artwork from songs ripped from CDs or purchased elsewhere not showing up. Only artwork from iTunes store purchases is showing up.

And it doesn't do much good to have swipe up to go from the album display/mini player window to a full window with the album art when there is no art.

And I have found that you can no longer play every album by a single artist in a row. It will only play one album, and then go back to the first song alphabetically in your library. You have to go back to the Music app and select a song from the next album to get it to play.

That is one function I liked about my iPod Touch - that I could start playing an artist's library at the beginning and the whole thing would play through. Now it requires intervention from me to make that happen. Annoying. I also wished in previous versions that when it had played an artist's whole catalog that it would simply go to the next artist alphabetically and start playing their catalog, but that never happened. It would always go to the first album title alphabetically and start playing the first track off that album.

I don't want to have to mess with creating playlists and using up next to listen to my music in the car.
 
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Apple broke Audiobooks with 8.4

They are now part of iBooks rather than the Music app. Individual track titles are gone. Individual track art is gone. Playlists are gone. Ratings are gone. Played/unplayed status is gone. Remembering which track and current playback time is gone. The ability to browse other audiobook albums while still listening to another album is gone. I've also heard support for non-AAC files is gone.

Really?!? They've completely borked it, then. Remembering the current playback time is essential for Audiobooks. I'd noticed that the Chapter breaks in my Audible books weren't used properly even back on the 5.1.1 Music app that's on my iPod. It's part of the reason I've been using the Audible App instead. Plus that syncs the playback time between devices whenever they're connected to a Wireless network, so I can switch seamlessly between the iPod and the Nexus depending on which I have with me without having to think about it at all.

Removing the non-AAC support is also stupid. Not all Audiobooks are sold in AAC format. Apple are making some pretty brainless decisions nowadays....
 
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Really, Cue?

Casually tweeting that you're thinking of reinstating an important service that your customers have paid for and come to rely on is doing you and Apple no favours. It's reprehensible, and you should know better.

Did you send Cue a personal message? I'm not sure he would know your address otherwise, which would be necessary for him to show up on your doorstep to properly beg forgiveness. Also, it's possible he is too busy to spend hours trolling MacRumors forums each week, so he may not even be aware you had a problem.

Other people seem to be glad he sent the tweet to provide a quick update on this issue; so you really do seem to be the only one insulted by Cue's message. Given that, a doorstep apology, just to you, seems proportionate to close the issue.
 
...I don't want to have to mess with creating playlists and using up next to listen to my music in the car.
Agreed. In my car is where I listen to my music most of the time. The cluttered UI is a dangerous distraction.

Looking at it all, I get the feeling the "suburban commuter in the car" persona wasn't even considered by the UI designers. It seems completely skewed towards musically-promiscuous, late-teen, early 20's commuters who ride the subway or the train to work, who have both hands free and are happy to interact heavily with the device as they listen.

That "urban-hipster" use-case should certainly be an option, not the default. Better yet, it should be a separate app that draws from the same local music database as the traditional iTunes mobile app.

Give me the old iPhone app back please Apple. I don't need this other stuff getting between me and my music.
 
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Home Sharing, both audio and video, has been broken for large libraries since iOS 6 (takes forever to load). Here's hoping they now finally take the chance to fix it (hint: look at why AppleTV has never been plagued with this issue, nor has the Remote app).

Every new version of iTunes I try with my iPad mini (now iOS8.4) and the iPad(2011, iOS5.0.1) and none of them work.
So in conclusion, it never worked with large libraries - let's hope a rewrite of the app will fix this.
 
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Work around for missing Home Sharing for music: Music>My Music (icon bottom of screen)>Library (tab)>Artists/Albums/Songs/etc (click whichever of these links is showing below the Recently Added section)>"Show Music Available Offline" (bottom of pop-up menu)>turn off. This shows your iMusic library, including what's on your Mac. I'm signed up for the Music trial, and Home Sharing is enabled on my Mac and in the video section of my iPhone--not sure how or if this figures into the equation. Hardly intuitive, but roughly equivalent to the missing Home Sharing for music.
 
Too bad they've been working on removing it in the first place.

Thank you, I read all the discussions and arguments, but that is the kicker to me. We are "working" to put this back in. Bull***. Put it back in. Now. I have two buddies that do coding for a living, me I am a system administrator not a coder, but they tell me how they test and roll out features. This was planned and kept secret, now they are "working" to put it back. UM, assuming it is object oriented programming, put in the audio home sharing objects and release 8.4.1 and just do it. Now this statement is in Apple speak, I translated it to: "Yeah you caught us. You will need to wait till IOS 9 which comes out later this year to get your feature back, innovation! *waves hands in the air*" I am not getting Apple now. The watch was ok, but the pricing and such is a turn off for me, got me a used pebble to try out the smart watches and it is fine. They try to not pay artist, got called out, now they are taking away users ability to stream their own music and get called out again, to be "working" to bring it out in the new IOS; which is later on in the year. I don't get them, they f up the Apple TV and how I use home sharing for my movies I buy, then they will make me think of switching in a phone situation, still love Macs. I hope they figure out where they are going.

Oh yeah Fishticks:
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It's impossible to do streaming without DRM, by sheer fact that you have a time-limited subscription that could technically end at any time. You need some way to cut off access to the music when this finishes, hence you need some sort of DRM. Without it, nobody would subscribe past the trial. They'd get a trial, download all the songs they want, and then cancel and keep the songs. With purchases, going DRM-less makes the most sense, since it's a one time transaction.

But is it impossible to do DRMed streaming without causing the removal of another feature used for non-DRMed music? Apple shouldn't sacrifice features that make using their devices great for non-DRMed music to get the streaming service out faster.
 
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It's impossible to do streaming without DRM, by sheer fact that you have a time-limited subscription that could technically end at any time. You need some way to cut off access to the music when this finishes, hence you need some sort of DRM. Without it, nobody would subscribe past the trial. They'd get a trial, download all the songs they want, and then cancel and keep the songs. With purchases, going DRM-less makes the most sense, since it's a one time transaction.

Wrong.

New music continues to be released. This is why more and more companies are spending less time on securing their products and instead putting resources to release updates to it at a quicker pace to beat piracy. Not to say that they don't care about piracy and that they aren't working to prevent it, but its easier to develop updates and features.

This is similar to the OS X/iOS model. Keep releasing new updates along with hardware. Force the customer to buy new hardware to get the new software. This generates income and reduces piracy.

When the amount of people buying legal copies surpasses a risk assessment point of piracy, it doesn't make sense to spend more money preventing the 1% vs the 99%.
 
It's impossible to do streaming without DRM, by sheer fact that you have a time-limited subscription that could technically end at any time. You need some way to cut off access to the music when this finishes, hence you need some sort of DRM. Without it, nobody would subscribe past the trial. They'd get a trial, download all the songs they want, and then cancel and keep the songs. With purchases, going DRM-less makes the most sense, since it's a one time transaction.
Ultimately I'm on your side, but I think those types would just steal everything from Pirate Bay.
 
Dear customer,

Please do without your music for 3 months while we work on restoring it for you.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Apple ***Where form sometimes trumpets function***

PS. By coincidence ;) we just happen to be currently offering a free 90 day trial of Apple Music which lets you stream almost any song to any device.
 
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Does anyone know if the 25k iTunes in the cloud limit is for total songs in the cloud for all family members or does each member get their own 25k? We're all on the AM family plan. I noticed on my girlfriends phone she could not access my music which leads me to believe we all get 25k.
 
For anyone using Home Sharing between Mac & Apple TV, if it's not working since updating to iTunes 12.2 and/or OS X 10.10.4, simply turn home sharing off then on (sign in) again on iTunes, and also turn home sharing off and on again on Apple TV, I did this and now home sharing is working again. (Personally, I primarily use Apple TV w/video, not music.)

Everything will change again once Apple Music is available on Apple TV.

I also noticed that Apple TV did not get an update with iOS 8.4 release. Not sure if it will get one b4 iOS 9 comes out.
 
Thanks to the removal of Home Music Sharing this will be the first upgrade/update that I will not be updating. Hopefully there won't be 8.5 8.6 etc... till 9.0 when it hopefully returns.

To me it seems like a way to get more money out of you. I don't want to pay for music, I just want to play the music in my home with what I have on my phone. I shouldn't have to pay for it, I already did. Big thumbs down on Apple Music.
 
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