Apple Working With Intel on 5G Hardware for Future iPhones

[dampfnudel]

You are misinformed. Since LTE, they've been able to use voice and data at the same time. i.e. they've been doing it for years. They also support wifi calling, and HD voice, etc.

They did take their time to bring out those features.

 

[Compote]

tbh honest 4g is plenty fast so im curious to know what 5g would bring

Replicate your flesh and exact memory state though a 3D printer in China before you can say PUSH ?

 

[Lancer]

I thought 5G would be out sooner, I know they are testing here in Australia but didn't know it's probably 2 years away before it's main stream.

 

[Joe_Schmoe]

Here are some facts:

• Comcast use to have a 300GB/month limit. Now that limit is 1TB.
• Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, & T-Mobile have all increased their limits over time.
• As speeds have increased and consumption too, all providers have increased their limits too in response.

It's absolutely foolish to believe that carriers will build new networks with vastly increased speeds, as consumers consume more data, and not also increase their caps as they have done for the past 10 years. When the iPhone debuted in 2007, the data cap was around 200MB/month.


5G offers speeds up to 30 Gbit/s per radio cell. 4G today delivers a maximum of 100 to 1000 Mbit/s. But speed is only part of the benefit, as I said previously.

Compared to today's LTE networks, 5G should facilitate a data transfer rate which lies between 10 to 30 times more per radio cell, with roughly 1000 times the capacity. This will make it possible to address up to 100 thousand million mobile networked devices at the same time worldwide, including "things" in the Internet of Things. Energy efficiency is also set to rise significantly: Energy consumption per transferred bit on the end devices themselves will drop to a thousandth of its previous level. This facilitates up to 10 years of autonomy in terms of power.

5G networks use additional technical elements to reliably provide 5G mobile network services when large numbers of mobile users need coverage. The most important element here is 'Massive MIMO' (Multiple Input, Multiple Output). They can use beam forming to work around things like large buildings and communicate directly with specific devices thanks to the setup of their towers.

On average, private mobile users 'consume' around 3 gigabytes a month. When you bring Millennials into the picture, the demand rises to a whopping 35 GB/month, which is expected to double every 12 to 18 months. 4G doesn't have the ability to supply those kinds of requirements.

So yes, as I said previously, 5G is about more than simply speed. It's about supporting the needs of the future as the number of connected devices and quantity of content consumed continues to increase.

Some valid points.... with regards to MOBILE data usage.
Where I strongly disagree with you is in your (imo, foolish) notion that 5g will have any impact on home internet whatsoever.
Whereas, currently say a 5 person family- each consuming 35gb/month over cellular is paying multiple hundreds of dollars for the privilege, they can all consume 10x that amount on their home internet to stream video using HBO Now, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, YouTube, et al.. for about $50/month total, using Comcast or the like.
Now, maybe you’re correct & the carriers, famous for being greed driven- will suddenly become altruistic and up their previous caps a tenfold, whilst cutting the price to 1/6 of what they are currently charging, to create a viable alternative to broadband home connections. And if that happens, I will happily come here & tip my hat to you for your foresight, apologize for my jaded opinions of these companies, & sign up IMMEDIATELY.
However, I would expect the chances of that happening to be roughly equivalent to the possibility of me winning the million dollar lotto and being struck by lightning, simultaneously.

 

[Leguna24]

That would be a good, but also required, step.

 

[cmaier]

They did take their time to bring out those features.

Inherent limitation in CDMA, unfortunately.

 

[DCIFRTHS]

What’s going to happen to TSMC and the billions they have invested?!

I think Apple has made it clear that they aren't too concerned with that type of thing... Not making a judgement, just an observation.
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ROFL.
Seriously? What about all the delays to products in their X86 roadmap we are so fond of complaining about (eg 16Gb Ram Max on MacBooks).

Wasn't it Apple that decided to go that route because of battery life concerns? Fatten up the damn machine, and make it worth the money. I place the blame squarely on Apple.
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You are misinformed. Since LTE, they've been able to use voice and data at the same time. i.e. they've been doing it for years. They also support wifi calling, and HD voice, etc.

As long as you have an LYTE signal that is always available, you have a point. The problem is that in the real world, Verizon falls back to 3G more than it should considering the carrier touts it superior LTE coverage.

 

[groovyd]

buh-buy qcomm 😉

 

[killhippie]

Here, have a free solution. Set minimum thresholds for coverage, speed, bandwidth, and dropped connections for a percent of the area (not population) and increase that, requirement each quarter. Failure to meet the requirement once and you forfit your license, and any equipment using it, and it can be auctioned off again. That carrier, and any executive of it, can not bid on spectrum for a set period of time (say, two years).

I would love to see Ofcom in the UK try to enforce that, It's a great idea and I agree but in practice I doubt it would ever happen, deals behind closed doors we are not privy too I'm sure will keep this far from seeing the light of day.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

Who are these carriers in your pipe dream that will allow unlimited (think: terabytes) of 5g access per month, as home internet, at a fixed and reasonable rate... such as you get from Comcast or other providers?
(Nice passive/aggressive dig, btw! Too bad you couldn’t back it up by making a point... you know explaining how 5g is “much much” more than higher speeds, and all the myraid other things it brings; since... as you say, the higher speed is only “a small part of it”.)

Seems Verizon is going to be one of those home providers, just as I'd said.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/29/verizon-will-launch-5g-home-internet-access-in-2018/