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Re: Re: Re: Re: mhz myth and mac users

Sauron:

I apologize, but your message about Marklar's advantages had not posted by the time I submitted my reply.

And a suggestion for future reference: avoid smart-ass responses to people who don't have a bone to pick with you, and you'll carry much more credibility.

Originally posted by Sauron's Master

If you actually bothered to read my post(s), you would have seen my reasons. I am amused by people who never bother to actually the post and then make carper statements about their amusement about others. Read my posts, and answer this question: how is it a good opportunity?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: mhz myth and mac users

Originally posted by tgrundke
Sauron:

I apologize, but your message about Marklar's advantages had not posted by the time I submitted my reply.

And a suggestion for future reference: avoid smart-ass responses to people who don't have a bone to pick with you, and you'll carry much more credibility.
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I apologize for my rudeness. I assumed you had read my post(s) and were avoiding or such. However, I don't see how it has anything to do with credibility. If I was quoting false sources and making less than accurate arguments , sure but my comments did none of that. Again, I apologize. I'll remember to save smart-ass responses for when it is required.;)
 
Ok I'll bite

I, and many other mac users, would probably abandon the Mac platform if Marklar is ever released because it represents the downfall of Apple and Mac OS on PPC not to mention the entire ideal of Apple and Macs being different from PC's.


So, if Apple goes to Maklar
(which I think may be a mistake but the future of computing is always hard to read) Where would you and the other Apple fanatics go to for your computing needs? Microsoft, Linux, etc. Aren't you just cutting your nose off in spite of yourself. I have heard this comment several times. When I think of Apple computers I think of the OS, not the hardware. (Except the one button mouses. If people are as clueless about computers as has been speculated on this forum, then said clueless people would not be thrown by the introduction of a x86 Apple product. Remember, Walmart is selling many of the Linux-based computers. And Linux is even less known than Apple. At least people may have been exposed to Apple when they were in school at one time or another. I know there are issues with sopftware, but if people start buying an x86 Apple the software companies will make the software to go with it. Maybe Linux is going to have to be the model for computer companies for a while.
 
Re: Ok I'll bite

Originally posted by petee
I, and many other mac users, would probably abandon the Mac platform if Marklar is ever released because it represents the downfall of Apple and Mac OS on PPC not to mention the entire ideal of Apple and Macs being different from PC's.


So, if Apple goes to Maklar
(which I think may be a mistake but the future of computing is always hard to read) Where would you and the other Apple fanatics go to for your computing needs? Microsoft, Linux, etc. Aren't you just cutting your nose off in spite of yourself. I have heard this comment several times. When I think of Apple computers I think of the OS, not the hardware. (Except the one button mouses. If people are as clueless about computers as has been speculated on this forum, then said clueless people would not be thrown by the introduction of a x86 Apple product. Remember, Walmart is selling many of the Linux-based computers. And Linux is even less known than Apple. At least people may have been exposed to Apple when they were in school at one time or another. I know there are issues with sopftware, but if people start buying an x86 Apple the software companies will make the software to go with it. Maybe Linux is going to have to be the model for computer companies for a while.
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If Apple goes to Marklar, it means they've released their last resort plan which essentially means that the Mac platform is probably screwed. Where would I go for computing? Linux, Unix, Irix, or any variants would all be fine. IBM is releasing the PPC 970 with Linux for sure anyway so there wouldn't really be a problem. I stick with Macs because it has both decent hardware and extremely good software. I started using macs when macs were kicking x86 ass in speed comparisons. While their hardware edge is blunt if existent at all, their OS is absolutely awesome. I will stick with Macs until Apple decides to screw up their software base by releasing yet another platform to develop. They've got hardware issues due to Motorola, they really can't afford to screw up their software. Marklar will be yet another platform for companies to code for, we don't need them to waster resources on that, we need them to optimize their current programs for OS X on PPC and convert them to 64-bit later on. I seriously doubt that many companies will bother to redevelop for Marklar and there is the problem of drivers which probably need to be programmed. The point is that Marklar would just reduce resources Apple and other companies can use on OS X programs which would hurt OS X. Apple is smart to realize that, the only reason they would release Marklar is as a last resort which to me, means time to switch to Unix or something similar.
 
Re: Re: Re: Mac Sterotype?

Originally posted by Bregalad


Here's a quick hint Daniel, most consumers will never use a program like iDVD or even iMovie. Most consumers want a computer for email, games, web browsing, Quicken and Word, in that order. Now does it make sense that Apple only has a 3-4% market share?

Even a two year old PC with a market value of less than $300 will handle all of that including many games. The two year old PCs where I work seem to be able to play Battlefield 1942 quite well so it's only a tiny segment of the market that really needs a faster box.
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Thanks for the Hint, but as more people get digi cameras and camcorders , they will want those apps, as my pc using in laws can attest. They were blown away at how easy it is to connect their new toys to a Mac, which they couldn't get to work with their new Intel4 PCS. Your 2 year pc maybe able to handle the processing but the key here is the firewire card and editing software, try this with your new or 2 year old pc, good luck.
You can buy a new $799 imac and do all of the crap you mentioned up top and edit your christmas movie. If you can't afford a $799 imac then you ain't gonna have cameras and such anyway.
Daniel
 
where's the hardware margin?

from Cnet,

With the investment write-down, restructuring and other items, Apple posted a net loss of $45 million, or 13 cents per share, on revenue of $1.44 billion. That compares with a net profit of $66 million, or 19 cents per share, on revenue of $1.45 billion in the year-ago quarter.

Excluding items, Apple met expectations with a profit of $7 million, or 2 cents per share.
 
Re: Re: Ok I'll bite

Sauron:

When Apple announced plans to buy Be, Inc. and then eventually purchased NeXT, almost everyone considered it to be Apple's "last resort". Check out Macintosh magazines, trade publications, anything from 1996 and you'll see that as the prominent thread. Businessweek ran the most damning cover story in 1996, a black page with an Apple logo on it titled, "The Death of an American Icon".

THAT was last resort.

What it sounds like you are saying is that you will drop Apple if they go to Marklar because you are *assuming* that the software will be destroyed by said move to Intel/compatible chips.

Sauron: If a 'switch' were to be made, rest assured that the potential damage and inconvenience to developers would be as limited as possible. It also does not predispose the platform to suddenly having crappy software that you imply.

The fears you have are the same ones displayed in Apple's 1994 move to the PowerPC codebase and the same fears about the adoption of OS X. Everything Apple does these days *IS* a last resort: since 1997 forward Apple has been 'betting the company' on a daily basis. The iMac was a 'last resort' product. OS X was a 'last resort' product.

Don't worry.


Originally posted by Sauron's Master

If Apple goes to Marklar, it means they've released their last resort plan which essentially means that the Mac platform is probably screwed. Where would I go for computing? Linux, Unix, Irix, or any variants would all be fine. IBM is releasing the PPC 970 with Linux for sure anyway so there wouldn't really be a problem. I stick with Macs because it has both decent hardware and extremely good software. I started using macs when macs were kicking x86 ass in speed comparisons. While their hardware edge is blunt if existent at all, their OS is absolutely awesome. I will stick with Macs until Apple decides to screw up their software base by releasing yet another platform to develop. They've got hardware issues due to Motorola, they really can't afford to screw up their software. Marklar will be yet another platform for companies to code for, we don't need them to waster resources on that, we need them to optimize their current programs for OS X on PPC and convert them to 64-bit later on. I seriously doubt that many companies will bother to redevelop for Marklar and there is the problem of drivers which probably need to be programmed. The point is that Marklar would just reduce resources Apple and other companies can use on OS X programs which would hurt OS X. Apple is smart to realize that, the only reason they would release Marklar is as a last resort which to me, means time to switch to Unix or something similar.
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Re: where's the hardware margin?

Originally posted by kansaigaijin
from Cnet,

With the investment write-down, restructuring and other items, Apple posted a net loss of $45 million, or 13 cents per share, on revenue of $1.44 billion. That compares with a net profit of $66 million, or 19 cents per share, on revenue of $1.45 billion in the year-ago quarter.

Excluding items, Apple met expectations with a profit of $7 million, or 2 cents per share.
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Apple's total profit has nothing or very little to do with its margins. Per unit, Apple has a huge margin of profit hence their high prices. However, Apple has other expenses, like paying its employees which are not figured into profit margins per unit. I would expect profits to be down. Why? The entire economy is in a slump especially the tech sector. Apple is faced with those problems and the fact that its hardware is lagging.

First, in 1996, Apple was very close to collapsing anyway. Sales were bad and profits sucked. Apple probably would have died if Stever Jobs hadn't returned and the iMac wasn't released.

I will drop Apple if it's moving Marklar and other signs are present that Apple is about to go down. Hanging onto a platform with no further updates for software or hardware is pretty useless. I'm not saying that Marklar would cause all software for any version of OS X will suck. I am however saying that a lot of software companies will not have resources to program software for three different OS's and even if they do, their resources will probably be spread thin which could likely result in worse quality software overall. Apple moved to OS X because it had to, otherwise, every part of its products would lag behind Microsoft's and Intel's. I'd rather that they bet the company when they have to rather than being addicted to it and doing it everyday. Everyone loses eventually if you keep on betting and Apple is probably going to too if it continues the put the company on the line strategy although I think now, with $4.2 billion in the back, it's not really a problem. As long as Apple looks alive, I'm sticking with it but if they release Marklar and it becomes continually worse, it would be in my best interests to switch.
 
I would like to see some data on what software the average Windows user actually has installed and uses on thier computer. The vast majority are probably only running what M$ supplied, and games or file sharing apps. I wonder if most of these functions would be provided by the iApps.

Per unit margins are irrelevant if you cannot ever sell enough units to pay the other expenses of the company necessary to support each unit. There is a limited market for expensive Apple hardware. There is a much greater potential market for reasonably priced MacOS and apps.
 
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