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I've read the same articles about the same rumors, hirings, and patent applications. It's all supposition right now. Yet you seem really, really comfortable touting everything as a declarative fact. You don't even bother with "in my opinion" or "I believe/think" or a simple "what if".

There's nothing wrong with being bullish on Apple. A lot of people are, and with good reason. Bud, you can continue to post in the style that you do. It's your prerogative. And let's be honest, I'm not your boss, parents, or priest. I just think your message could be better received if you didn't yell it.
Everyone else does the exact same thing, look at the comments I quoted... They were extremely confident in their opinions, as anyone is entitled.
 
Apple should permanently invest on high levels

Apple should invest on this high level for a long time. Apple has always been committed to innovation an radical approaches to new categories of devices. People will love - as they did in the past - the way Apple is doing business and creating exciting products. To do so, Apple will need strong and constant investments in technology, science and design.
 
Really looking forward to what they are going to unveil! I ended up moving back to a Windows based ecosystem due to work related issues (and actually, find myself liking it if I am quite honest).

But looking forward to the new Apple equivalent of "oh, and one more thing" soon. :D
 
Haven't we already been told that it will be called iTime, not iWatch?

That was a patent filing from several years ago, it will likely have nothing to do with this product. Also, iTime doesn't really make sense for this product, iWatch makes far more sense, seeing as you are 'watching' biometrics.
 
unless apple starts making under $20 light switches, cheaper security cameras, cheaper door locks, cheaper fan controls, cheaper everything that can be used for home automation. it is going to be a niche industry for the well off. which in this country isn't a giant number.

Oh geez. Where to begin?

1) When has Apple ever made anything that was "value priced." It makes somewhat "affordable" luxury products, but everything Apple makes is you get what you pay for, maybe a tad less.

2) Some home automation can be had right now for not a lot of money so I don't know what you are talking about; relative to the value of your home. A WiFi thermostat is about $150 for a basic model. A B/T door lock $150-200. WiFi Security cam set up $300.

3) Apple doesn't need to make these items just as it doesn't need to make iPhone accessories. Take a look at all the different iPhone compatible products that are around that Apple doesn't make.

4) I'm not really sure what you mean by "well off." You don't have to be a 1,2,3,4 or even 5% to install home automation in a home today since it's mostly wireless. But it is a niche industry because the demand isn't there. Most people don't care if they can set their thermostat via WiFi or schedule their lights to go on at 5pm. It doesn't excite them because while the U.S. has one of wealthiest middle classes in the world, the majority of them are not tech geeks; the opposite, in fact.
 
That big a$$ hula hoop they're building in California-land?

Maybe Eddy meant to say it's the best product pipeline Ive has seen in 25 years at Apple. Meaning Jony.

Release some friggin' products already, it's almost August!

Well he would know, wouldn't he? ;)
 
anyone who thinks home kit is a better thing for apple than health kit has many screws loose. first, i care more about monitoring my health, even if it's just how much activity during the day, my heart rate and blood pressure. but from what rumors i've read thus far it will do more. so do i want that to spend my money on or would i rather be able to turn out my lights and lock my doors remotely or while i'm sitting on my sofa?? for me it is a pretty easy choice.

cost wise it is too. even if the watch is $600 to $1000 dollars, which t won't be. it's still the cheaper thing too. $50 bucks for a wifi light switch. because it would be tough to retrofit a house any other way. if i add up my switches that would putty over $1000 very fast!! plus installation. a cheap electrician will charge you $10 bucks a switch. 4 exterior doors at $200 per lock. that's bluetooth so you may need something more to use it remotely, but thats another $800, a garage door opener that can be used with home wifi is another $350+.
 
...requires the other half of the equation to sort itself out. IE, the switches that integrate with your 10 to 30 years old white goods, lamps, lights, audiovisual gear, garage door, alarm system etc. X10 was supposed to do that, as was Zigbee, but the Belkin Zigbee thing I bought for my mum was useless, the Android app didn't work and it was not very imaginatively executed anyway. So I took it back.

Apple may make some lovely controller software and ecosystem, but if they leave the other half to the market, we're going to have the same problem as the audio docks, which are overpriced insult to the concept of High Fidelity. (I refuse to buy one, preferring to go for an amp and speakers that cost no more than a mid range dock and sound OODLEs better and of course, don't mean you have to leave your phone stuck in a dock, simply use the latest high quality Bluetooth standard to stream to an amp, and of course, you can plugin other audio visual items to an amp, such as Tivo, high end CD/DVD player etc.)

Apple should make their own switches. I'm not relying on Chinese tat to connect mains appliances. Unless the Chinese tat is made by one of the contemporary companies who are currently making some nice Android handsets.
The house I grew up in, built over 50 years ago, had home automation of a sort. There was a control panel in the wall of master bedroom that allowed you to turn any (or every) light switch in the house on or off. There was some sort of low-voltage signal sent over the wiring. It was a very modern home for its time.

I'm looking forward to building a home in the next few years. I think I will avoid wiring light switches altogether. Every light, thermostat, ceiling fan, and every outlet will be controllable and monitorable wirelessly. So will the door locks. And the garage door. Geothermal heating and cooling (also for the lazy river pool). All powered by solar, with fuel cell backup and the grid for last resort.

Yeah, it's a dream. But it's my dream, and depending on how much it costs, it may be my reality.
 
What does Apple spend its money on ???

I'm not a financial person, so if someone could explain this to me, I'd appreciate it.

If I'm reading this correctly, it says that 4% of the money that Apple brings in the door from selling its products and services (sales) is for research and development.

Research is, well, research.

Development is, I assume, the process of developing a product, from concept to the start of production.

I assume the costs of development are the costs of the engineering departments (salaries, secretaries, etc.), the desks that they sit at, the equipment used to develop the product, etc., etc., etc. I assume that 80-90% of all of those campuses filled with engineers are expensed under the R&D line-item.

So, what does Apple spend 96% of its sales on if only 4% is spent on developing new products?

Yeah, the stores cost money, and the iCloud cost money, and marketing costs money, and administration costs money, and then there is the cost of actually producing each product.

But 4% sounds like a small number for what, I believe, is the most important part of their business.

Are there MBAs out there who can explain this to me?
 
The last 25 years of Apple has been tremendous, I don't they doing something better in just 3 years starting in 2014.
 
Hmm...

I'm pretty sure that main concept image should be the "iBracelet" rather than "iWatch"...
 
Oh geez. Where to begin?

1) When has Apple ever made anything that was "value priced." It makes somewhat "affordable" luxury products, but everything Apple makes is you get what you pay for, maybe a tad less.

2) Some home automation can be had right now for not a lot of money so I don't know what you are talking about; relative to the value of your home. A WiFi thermostat is about $150 for a basic model. A B/T door lock $150-200. WiFi Security cam set up $300.

3) Apple doesn't need to make these items just as it doesn't need to make iPhone accessories. Take a look at all the different iPhone compatible products that are around that Apple doesn't make.

4) I'm not really sure what you mean by "well off." You don't have to be a 1,2,3,4 or even 5% to install home automation in a home today since it's mostly wireless. But it is a niche industry because the demand isn't there. Most people don't care if they can set their thermostat via WiFi or schedule their lights to go on at 5pm. It doesn't excite them because while the U.S. has one of wealthiest middle classes in the world, the majority of them are not tech geeks; the opposite, in fact.

you do understand you are helping me make my point. i was arguing that he health is a bigger selling area for apple than home. so i guess you agree?? if apple makes switches but are undercut by everyone from honeywell to GE it's not an area of profit. same for door locks and everything else. i'm a tech geek buut i'm not going to spend $50 buck on a new light switch to control one light in my house. i'd rather use that on apps or put it towards my iwatch.

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I'm not a financial person, so if someone could explain this to me, I'd appreciate it.

If I'm reading this correctly, it says that 4% of the money that Apple brings in the door from selling its products and services (sales) is for research and development.

Research is, well, research.

Development is, I assume, the process of developing a product, from concept to the start of production.

I assume the costs of development are the costs of the engineering departments (salaries, secretaries, etc.), the desks that they sit at, the equipment used to develop the product, etc., etc., etc. I assume that 80-90% of all of those campuses filled with engineers are expensed under the R&D line-item.

So, what does Apple spend 96% of its sales on if only 4% is spent on developing new products?

Yeah, the stores cost money, and the iCloud cost money, and marketing costs money, and administration costs money, and then there is the cost of actually producing each product.

But 4% sounds like a small number for what, I believe, is the most important part of their business.

Are there MBAs out there who can explain this to me?

i'm guessing payroll is not included in the R&D budget. it's in the payroll budget which is probably the biggest piece of the pie.
 
So, what does Apple spend 96% of its sales on if only 4% is spent on developing new products?

Production costs (raw materials, labor, etc), marketing, warranty claims, legal, salaries and other compensation unrelated to R&D., building maintenance, taxes, stock dividends and buybacks, buyout of other companies, cash reserves, etc., etc.
 
Absolutely not. Health tracking through biosensors will be the next big thing, home automation will get there, though there's nothing bringing masses into it yet.

Looking at the state of a typical American, closely followed by the state of a typical UK person (we generally follow your lead) and other countries probably following on. I still struggle to see "HEALTH" as a long term best seller.

Granted it SHOULD be, and the minority who are nice and fit, and do runs, go to the gym, watch their calorie intake etc will love it.

But that's not a majority product like an iPhone.
The majority see an exercise thing on TV which promises amazing results after only 6 weeks. Don't understand that it only works IN COMBINATION with other things, and dedication to keep using it. Get bored and throw it in a cupboard with the soda stream, fruit juicer and foot spa.

It's still hard to see what this is going to be.
Ideally is will be a very light, thin band that does almost nothing, just a very simple display that can scroll info to you and last an AGE on a battery. A week, a month?

Also be cross platform as the majority of the world don't use Apple products, it would seem daft to make it iPhone only. (but knowing apple eh!)

The idea of a mini iphone on your wrist, I'm not sure about. I could see them going much simpler, almost like a band you would wear as well as your normal watch.
 
you do understand you are helping me make my point. i was arguing that he health is a bigger selling area for apple than home. so i guess you agree?? if apple makes switches but are undercut by everyone from honeywell to GE it's not an area of profit. same for door locks and everything else. i'm a tech geek buut i'm not going to spend $50 buck on a new light switch to control one light in my house. i'd rather use that on apps or put it towards my iwatch.


If that was your point, then yes, I agree 100%. I read your post as Apple should be making cheap home automation rather than just encouraging other companies to make it and align it with iOS.
 
Y'all keep fixating on HealthKit being the big tie-in to the rumored iWatch, but I maintain the bigger selling point in the long run will likely be HomeKit integration, allowing you ready and easy control for your connected house at all times, even if you aren't at your computer or already holding your phone/tablet.

You know what.. You have a point. They'll probably do both
 
anyone who thinks home kit is a better thing for apple than health kit has many screws loose. first, i care more about monitoring my health, even if it's just how much activity during the day, my heart rate and blood pressure. but from what rumors i've read thus far it will do more. so do i want that to spend my money on or would i rather be able to turn out my lights and lock my doors remotely or while i'm sitting on my sofa?? for me it is a pretty easy choice.

cost wise it is too. even if the watch is $600 to $1000 dollars, which t won't be. it's still the cheaper thing too. $50 bucks for a wifi light switch. because it would be tough to retrofit a house any other way. if i add up my switches that would putty over $1000 very fast!! plus installation. a cheap electrician will charge you $10 bucks a switch. 4 exterior doors at $200 per lock. that's bluetooth so you may need something more to use it remotely, but thats another $800, a garage door opener that can be used with home wifi is another $350+.

Can I ask what you use now to monitor your health? As far as the kits go, neither Health nor Home are necessities. Right now we can only guess which one will be better for Apple. As individuals, we can have a better idea which will be better for us. For you, it's Health. For others, it's Home. Apple gets paid in the end anyway so I doubt they care which people think is better.
 
Y'all keep fixating on HealthKit being the big tie-in to the rumored iWatch, but I maintain the bigger selling point in the long run will likely be HomeKit integration, allowing you ready and easy control for your connected house at all times, even if you aren't at your computer or already holding your phone/tablet.

While I agree, your thinking may be more "down the road" than "coming this fall." But again, in time, I think you are correct.

But come this fall...
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19385140#post19385140
 
keep it simple

The idea of a mini iphone on your wrist, I'm not sure about. I could see them going much simpler, almost like a band you would wear as well as your normal watch.

I tend to agree. . .unless it can make calls on its own, why bother since your phone will be nearby anyway? And we shouldn't expect them to cannibalize their best selling product category.

The thing that will make this valuable will be the ability to be an attractive device that can discreetly monitor and help keep you abreast of things you're interested in (vital stats and trends, maybe event notifications or other alerts), AND be low power so you don't have to charge it every day. We'll see what kind of sensor are on this thing, but if they can pull it off well, there's a lot to gain...people are interested in this stuff (eg, the #4 paid app is the Sleep Cycle alarm clock).
 
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