Still, the claim that A14 outperforms MS chip while using emulation seems highly misleading. Also, "optimization" has many facets. Some optimization has to do with the high level language (moving some operations out of loop etc.). This optimization will be preserved by Rosetta.It’s not emulation, true, but it;s still highly non-optimal code.
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Apple's A12Z Under Rosetta Outperforms Microsoft's Native Arm-Based Surface Pro X
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It seems you dont understand how this works
2 things
1) This is an dev kit that even the full cores are not fully open
2) you compare mac mini with imac, compare an mac mini with another mac mini, thank god you didnt said that an dev kit mac mini with 2 years old chip for an tablet enclosure is not up there with the 2019 mac pro
Think about it, here we have 4 cores fully open 7nm chip, and the first arm mac is suppose to be an 5nm 12 cores, and that in the smaller 13" mbp...i cant even think about it what apple will offer for the bigger Mbp or for the bigger imacs
So keep in mind what i just write for you, and tell me how the current 13" intel mbp will compare with the upcoming 13" arm mbp...based on performance, battery life and heat
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Damn, for this being an ARMac mini which is emulating code.... it sure runs fast.
It's not "emulating" the code. It runs native ARM code.
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But those of us who are not developers still can talk about it, right?
Do you really want a plastic fantastic Macbook? Because the plastic and low quality displays and components is how PCs are cheaper.
That would be inconsistent with Apples design philosophy.
I figure it is best to wait and see. Cutting price of one component will let them pay more for something else.
From where I'm sitting, I have 5-6 years before I am due for an upgrade. I have my doubts about this new future, but a lot can happen in 6 years.
So, in late 2020 we will have
13" Intel Mbp and 13" Arm Mbp
Intel Mbp will be outperformed by at least 40% in performance, both in the cpu and igpu, instead of 9-10 battery life with light usage, the arm mbp will have probably over 12hours, The intel mbp under load the cpu stays at 90-95 C temp with around 43C around the top keys, and the arm will be around 75-80C with 30C around the keyboard....
If this is not a BIG FIRST step into the right direction,..then the haters will hate no matter what until they die
13" Intel Mbp and 13" Arm Mbp
Intel Mbp will be outperformed by at least 40% in performance, both in the cpu and igpu, instead of 9-10 battery life with light usage, the arm mbp will have probably over 12hours, The intel mbp under load the cpu stays at 90-95 C temp with around 43C around the top keys, and the arm will be around 75-80C with 30C around the keyboard....
If this is not a BIG FIRST step into the right direction,..then the haters will hate no matter what until they die
Geek bench for Mac isn’t written originally for ARM 64. It’s written for X86. Native performance of this chip can easily be seen by just looking at the iPad Pro bench mark.
Apple has known for years their ARM Macs would be absolute performance monsters. There's no way they start with some low end budget laptop. It would send the opposite message, and conceded the false point that ARM is "low end, low power."
The next years are going to see some legitimately game-changing hardware.
The next years are going to see some legitimately game-changing hardware.
Apple has already stated that this is the case. They've repeated in the keynote that their designs are made to be scalable. So you design one architecture and you scale it up or down depending on the needs of the device. This goes for cpu and gpu. It's true that we don't know if Mac silicon is going to be A13 or A14 based. I would peg it at A14 since they will be released after iPhone and it's getting A14.
Maybe arms cant run fast, but can they throw fast? Just standing with my arms is exhausting! I can't imagine running!(actually I am too weak and old to stand with my arms....)
Actually, the agreement prevents them from even talking about the looks of it.
Well, I'll tell you one thing (I know it's a different machine than the one referred in the article, but here it goes). I have a Surface Pro 2017 (i5 8GB of RAM), where I was trying to edit Raw images from a Canon 5DmkII using lightroom. Then I got a 12.9" 2018 iPad Pro and tried importing and editing the same size raw images... The difference it's night and day. With the iPad Pro is pretty much seamless, immediate. On the Surface Pro it was constant hiccups and freezes, really really slow.
Actually, the big thing about the ARM transition is not the pure number crunching performance. That is only a small part of what makes a computer fast.
Intel CPUs have a bus speed of 8GT/s (about 64GB/s) and memory bandwidth at around 40GB/s.
You want your machine to be able to handle those kinds of bandwidths to perform I/O and do the actual crunching.
I highly suspect that GeekBench isn't loading up ginormous files in RAM from Disk to perform it's benchmarking, it's just small pieces of code that is repeated over and over again and it measures how fast it can do that task.
It will be extremely interesting to see how Apple's ARM offerings handle TB3 I/O, 10GBitE and really fast SSDs.
Intel CPUs have a bus speed of 8GT/s (about 64GB/s) and memory bandwidth at around 40GB/s.
You want your machine to be able to handle those kinds of bandwidths to perform I/O and do the actual crunching.
I highly suspect that GeekBench isn't loading up ginormous files in RAM from Disk to perform it's benchmarking, it's just small pieces of code that is repeated over and over again and it measures how fast it can do that task.
It will be extremely interesting to see how Apple's ARM offerings handle TB3 I/O, 10GBitE and really fast SSDs.
Tom Brady can’t run for **** but could throw well. Maybe apples on to something
This is why Apple will succeed because they make their product for diehard simps. Unless AMD is supplying Apple with its next RDNA2 GPU, MacBook Pro will get demolish in video production. But hey, writing a novel and browsing the web on safari will be stylish.
Of course, it would be very stupid, to release an 13" arm MBP that is outperformed by the current 13" Mbp
