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So everyone that rejects the supreme leaders at Apple is eccentric now? What kind of logic is that?

It's very poor logic. So it's a good thing this article makes no such claim.

The article states that the company's owners were critical of Apple. It also states that they have been characterized as eccentric, by their own employees among others. Finally, it notes that Apple withdrew their most recent purchase offer. It takes a willful perversion of the actual text to conclude that the article is saying what you allege.
 
Look at all these smartasses in the comments without any agenda in their lifes.

Acting tough about not knowing how to make anything big or significant. Not knowing how a decision about selling to big money Corp would feel like.
 
was an early backer of the Leap Motion. sitting in a box right now. great concept, hardware is well done. The software is crap. Nobody working on it could figure out an actual use for it.

VR / AR might be it's best potential use, but, if the owners are just going to be dumb about it, it's probably going to die until someone in the future comes up with their own solution

The Leap motion could have very much used Apple's R&D behidn it to get some actual use cases. but for now, it's a toy.
 
Leap Motion looks good on their website, bit there is no practical application, only in businesses and enterprises.

Even AR, today all Apple can show off is Pokemon or multiple uses on stage pointing their phones at a blank table with overlay on top.. AR has bee out for a while, and there is been no better use than this stuff.

It's good that Apple does this, but it it will be like 3D Touch.... it has its users when you need want to use it, but that's it. AR's been out for a while too

We need something 'new' that makes us all go "wow" that changes our lives.
 
Sounds just like MetaAR, which is basically on the same trajectory.

The whole AR/VR industry has a growing problem that's manifest in Leap... from Palmer to Rony.... similar stories.
 
I've worked for a number of startups over the years. My key takeaways from these experiences are:

1) Founders are often extremely young, have virtually no work experience at all (let alone leadership experience), and are exceptionally poor at doing business; they know their technology and little else.

2) 99 times out of 100, the company's technology is not nearly as valuable as thought.

3) Founders are in total denial.

Have done time in startups. Can verify 100%.
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Look at all these smartasses in the comments without any agenda in their lifes.

Acting tough about not knowing how to make anything big or significant. Not knowing how a decision about selling to big money Corp would feel like.

So, are you Michael, or David?
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Just because they didn't sell out to Apple? Remember Siri? It used to belong to an independent company, and then Apple acquired it. And now Siri is garbage.

Honestly, Siri was never that great. Breakthrough at the time, but it wasn't like Siri had a lobotomy after it was bought by Apple. I used the app prior to the acquisition and it was really not much more than a proof of concept. Then Apple bought it and it... Kind of got better, I guess. And that's where it's stayed since.
 
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I had the 'privilege' of working with Leap Motion hardware and software for a project many years ago, in early 2013. While it was quite interesting technology, the dev kit was extremely limited and they were *really* against opening it up. We could have done so much more if we'd had access to the 'raw' data that the Leap motion detected but I suspect Leap were so worried that someone might be able to reverse engineer their stuff that they refused to do so. It felt like Leap had something really interesting there but were so paranoid and so up their own arses that they'd rather lose out on *any* use case more interesting than very simple hand gestures than risk anyone else finding out what their secret sauce was. The daft thing was, it was quite clear that there wasn't anything more advanced in their solution than had been used in the Xbox Kinect or other 3d tracking devices.

It's as if the creators/owners of Leap were absolutely convinced that at some point everyone would wake up and realise they couldn't live without vague hand gestures at a desktop. They could have achieved so much if they'd just embraced more interesting setups i.e. as soon as they saw VR, they should have rushed a wide angled Leap Motion to market, that could have been attached to VR headsets. It took them *years* to even release their own VR mount for their existing low field of view device when third parties had experimented with it long before. They're so slow to innovate and so behind the curve, it's astounding that they're still even around. For something that's meant be such an innovative product, the company is incredibly narrow minded. I suspect their long term goal is to become a patent troll company as other companies start releasing products that use apparently similar technology.
Well, I got one of the first leap motions back then and never really used it. I tried the software, put the device on the shelf an waited for the company to announce it end. But they didn‘t.

(After all, it‘s really simple stuff. A IR stereo cam with processing done on the desktop machine ,not even on the device itself).

That’s until last year, when I gave it a try with my Vive VR headset. I ordered an adapter for the Vive and they actually shipped it. Alive and shipping, after all.

VR is lacking good input methods and their models and algorithms have improved very much over time. Positioning the device in front of your face also helps with the useful perspective for recognition.

This year they had two great things on their agenda. First, they have an updated device with a larger field of view and will sell it as a module for Pimax‘ upcoming VR goggles. And while VR did not take of as expected (or exactly as) they might sell quite a bunch of their tech. I was able to test it with a Pimax wide FOV headset and hand tracking works really well and over a wide angle. Quite nice.

The second thing was their open sourced AR head gear. They had some cool software demos and ideas and I would think that‘s another reason why they would not want to give up their business/IP. Unfortunately this project also shows how bad their finances and moral are right now, as they didn’t seem to jump start production of the device. Or they were just cought in theri high hopes and thought that a Kickstarter would be too cheap for such a great thing. I don‘t know.

Which brings me to their business character. And that‘s really just based on greed and fear of loosing profit.

From the start they maintained a software store for their simple device via which you would sell your apps based on their SDK.

For the SDK, even today, its license makes you confirm that you will not engange in developing anything similar to their product or use case. Most devs don‘t seem to know about this part, and most users will register as a dev to get the newest SDK which seems to have much better models and algorithms. Maybe Apple has too :)

This sneaky behaviour is what makes me angry about the whole company. Basically that’s the only thing.

Except maybe for overhyping the application of a stereocam for hand tracking back then. But the latter is now a really important thing and the models are so much better, so basically they were on the right track, even if they couldn‘t see it back then and there was better HW than theirs. But the application of hand tracking itself is the big thing.

So, too much greed and paranoia blocking their energy to go full throttle. I would think they could have made a nice deal with Apple if they were more relaxed. Maybe even without selling the whole company. But let‘s see what they will come up with now. And if.

So basically I understand why they did not make the deal this year. If they just were a bit more productive and open/available.
 
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I own a OG leap motion from the crowd funding campaign. It is a very cool device, and works extremely well for what it is. I never used it much because there really wasn't any applications for it. It has been sitting in my drawer for years.

I can really see it being cool in the right eco system, and people would be wowed if it were built into a laptop, and optimized to do things like finely adjusting sliders.

If they have the patents for it, they may end up making a lot more then 50mil licensing the tech.
 
people would be wowed if it were built into a laptop
It is built into laptops like the HP Envy 17, but nobody is wowed because flailing your hands about is not an efficient or enjoyable way to check email.

VR, and AR to some degree, is a 60-year-long experiment in making Rube Goldberg machines. Other than assembly workers and niche entertainment, it has never found a market. Starry-eyed tech writers (and Facebook CEOs) need to read some history books to understand where this tech has been and what has already been tried, and failed.
 
Apple dodged a bullet, the leap is garbage nowhere near as good as the marketing would have you believe. Fingers would jump around, soon as you rotate your hand and a finger is even partially covered it freaks out. Even for gestures, it wouldn't register them, swiping to high or too low. I am surprised the company is still in business, to be honest. One of the worst tech products I have ever owned. It's that bad.
 
You've completely mischaracterized my comment. I said nothing about Apple being an evil empire.

And no, I was ready to jump ship on Apple in the late 90s until I saw signs that they were getting their act together with the return of Jobs and axed the old Mac OS in favor of a Unix-based OS.

So, you think Apple is perfect right now and above reproach? When a company has failed to update some of their main products in as many as 4 years, it's really beyond debate at that point. And no, that doesn't make them evil. I'm surprised at how knee-jerk the defenses of Apple can be. When they do great stuff, we should cheer them on. When they screw up, it's okay to stop cheering and ask what the problem is. And multiple years of no updates on some Macs is very definitely a screw up.

When did the Mac mini become one of their main products? The entire Mac lineup is barely more over 10% of Apple's revenues now.
 
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He’s not entirely wrong. Apple definitely seems to have forgotten how to make a computer that isn’t really just a tablet stuffed in a MacBook shell. I suppose Apple has an innovative pricing strategy.
 
So the first time that Apple tried to acquire them the Leap Motion founders insulted Apple and pulled out. Then the second time Apple tried to acquire them the Leap Motion team was on-board, and it was Apple that pulled out?

Then this convenient article appears in BI that makes Leap Motion out to be mis-managed. Suddenly their reputation is undermined. Some of their investors may pull out. Now they're ripe for the plucking by some big monopolistic corporation with mucho money bags.

This is like a House of Cards level of intrigue.
 
He’s not entirely wrong. Apple definitely seems to have forgotten how to make a computer that isn’t really just a tablet stuffed in a MacBook shell. I suppose Apple has an innovative pricing strategy.

That isn't really true about their desktops, I'd argue Apple's desktop line is better than ever.
 
That isn't really true about their desktops, I'd argue Apple's desktop line is better than ever.
What is good about Apple’s desktops? The new Mac Mini would be ok if storage options weren’t so absurd. The iMac Pro underperforms. The Mac Pro, well that tells you a lot about Apple. It makes me really sad that none of their hardware is worth buying. Some of the features are “innovative” but not enough to put up with the thermal throttling, limited serviceability, and questionable engineering.
 
That isn't really true about their desktops, I'd argue Apple's desktop line is better than ever.

Yes and No. They have finally embraced one part of their market that wants the most power in the smallest space. Ever since the first 12" Powerbook G4, Ive been screaming at them that I want the most power I can get in the smallest form factor. They almost perfectly delivered on this new Mini. And the iMac pro, while hellishly expensive, is a pretty damn amazing machine all things considered. After seeing the iMac Pro and the new Mini, I actually am starting to have hope the new Mac Pro will deliver the goods.

But... lack of user upgradable parts is a serious downer for me. As what I would like to consider a "power user"... I despise things like locked down storage and non-upgradable systems. I get the benefits their designs provide, and the benefit is quite a lot, but for me the inability to upgrade things *beyond* the spec Apple provides makes me angry on principle. If computers were cars I'd be the guy tweaking out his engine to put out 1000HP.

I would probably be a lot less annoyed by Apple's heavy handed "our way or the highway" mentality if they would at least provide the option for doing something with it later, either by providing a method to do it in addition to their setup (like say for example, an NVMe slot inside the new Mini, in addition to their super-fast onboard storage), or, use industry-standard form factors again so its not even an issue to begin with. That's my only complaint with the current desktop range, but for me, its a big one. The fact I can put an SSD in my 20 year old beige Mac G3 speaks to this. Do you think you'll be able to do anything to modernize a 2018 Mac Mini in 20 years? Doubtful. I'm also the kind of guy who still buys new hardware even with these 20 year old relics laying around. I'd think Apple would embrace this as a truly "green" approach to keeping these things out of a landfill and still making a profit off me. But really, Apple doesnt even know what to do with people like me.
 
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