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For real?

I guess if you can afford an iPad...

In today's Economy, it's all definitely become all about money and who can take their share...

shame, really...

Yes, as I said, there's value added to the digital version. Multimedia features, portability, layout and search, not needing to give someone my name and address. And plus, I don't have to pay $4+ an issue at the newsstand. $20/year, even at 100% more than a paper subscription, is a great price.
 
This reminds me of Sony wanting to pull all it's songs out of iTunes.

Not only is Sony mad they need to give apple 30% they definitley feel they are entitled to revenue from each ipod sold by apple. In their minds ipods wouldn't exist without teir music hence they want part of the hardware income as well.

That's why they are going to try and build their own devices and launch their own Sony music platform.
 
So by this logic, everytime I fill up at Chevron, the gas station needs to give 30% of its profits to Lotus because I have an Elise and without that Elise I never would have needed to get gas?

Actually not. It's like you fill up at the Chevron with the gas not coming from the Chevron tank but from the gas station across the street, because they connected their tank to the Chevron pump, and when you insert the credit card the payment goes to that gas station. And you are now complaining that the Chevron gas station is unhappy with the situation!
 
Saying content providers have to raise their prices 43% to keep their income the same is dumb.

Dumb dumb dumb. it is not correct, it is not accurate, and it is completely ignorant of how businesses work.




I don't think you understand how much money Netflix spends on customer acquisition. it is a huge number.

This is not that complicated. Nobody is forcing these content providers to do this. They have the choice not to be involved in the Apple Ecosystem. A lot of companies will participate because it will make them tons of money. For those who can't see that, or for those who don't make money from it, it is not for them.

Couldn't Microsoft just tell people complaining about the IE monopoly if you want Firefox buy a Mac?
 
When you buy the car, in order to keep it running you have to maintain it and for that you have to pay out of your own pocket instead of the gas pump paying 30% of it to keep that specific car running.

Similar in Apple's case except your not paying yearly maintenance, instead it is being taken out of the books you buy.
Apple is simply taking a cut of the profit in order to keep its system running. Would you rather pay a yearly fee so you can access the app store and ibooks?

The fact is, apple cant simply allow publishers to use their system for free, they are providing a service, they are providing publishers a huge market of people that otherwise they would not have access too. And with all things there is a cost to it.

Yes 30% seems steep, but if publishers are providing a magazine on an ipad they are able to add more content that would justify increasing the price. They are saving their money on this 'expensive paper'

System isn't free you pay to be a developer.
 
Apple already got thier cut when amazon, Netflix, hulu, and pandora paid thier $100.00 to get into the developer program. Apple made $400 off these companies already. Are you saying Apple deserves more than that?

Precisely. That's when Apple got their cut. If that's not enough to cover the costs of free apps then maybe Apple needs to increase that fee. Because if the cost of hosting the Netflix, Kindle, etc apps in the store has gotten too high, then it's also getting too high for the hundreds of other very popular free apps that don't make use of in app purchasing (Twitter, Facebook, games, etc) and those apps also need to pay their share. Apple is just trying to offload it to their competitors to drive them out of the market.
 
Apple isn't storing all of this data/content. Learn how this system actually works. What distribution, if publishers are using them to distribute? What development? They already had the framework laid out in their bloated iTunes anyways.

Don't paint a pretty picture just because you're a fanboy. It's flat out greed. Having the masses flock to Apple products should be enough. Even a smaller percentage would've been acceptable, but 30% is a lot. I think Apple really targeted this at their competitors like Rhapsody and Amazon. If they raise costs to do business with Apple, they raise their prices or bow out. All of their customers by default go to Apple. Apple can even then lower the cost of their e-content whereby forcing out competitors using their system.


Hopefully more publishers will pull out and Apple will need to rethink their greed. I think it's about time Apple was brought up on a fruitful anti-trust lawsuit. Hopefully the judges won't be swayed like in the EU, just because they love their iPhones and iPods and don't want to harm the company that makes their precious devices. *see conspiracies about EU/Apple relationship on the web*


Maybe the subscription model behind the walled garden isn't so magical and will be DOA. We can only hope.

I would be defending any company if they announced the same procedure. Just because I use Apple products doesn't mean I'm a fanboy.

Someone had to develop that API for the apps. Someone has to provide storage and distribution for the apps. Someone has to provide the means for that application to have in-app subscriptions and a content delivery system to the app. That's Apple.

Learn how the system works? I understand how the system works. And if you don't like Apple's rules go play in Google's sandbox. I'm sure that they're much more willing to screw over consumers in the end. That's not where I want to be.
 
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I would raise the price for everyone by 30%, then offer coupon codes that can be redeemed at your site for 30% off. You are still officially following Apple's rules, while at the same time maintaining your proper profit margin and offering everything at the same price as before.

I don't think the requirements are fair for anyone to be required to charge the same price as other sources, the requirement it's self is fine, but they should be allowed to charge what they want.
 
When you buy the car, in order to keep it running you have to maintain it and for that you have to pay out of your own pocket instead of the gas pump paying 30% of it to keep that specific car running.

Similar in Apple's case except your not paying yearly maintenance, instead it is being taken out of the books you buy.
Apple is simply taking a cut of the profit in order to keep its system running. Would you rather pay a yearly fee so you can access the app store and ibooks?

The fact is, apple cant simply allow publishers to use their system for free, they are providing a service, they are providing publishers a huge market of people that otherwise they would not have access too. And with all things there is a cost to it.

Yes 30% seems steep, but if publishers are providing a magazine on an ipad they are able to add more content that would justify increasing the price. They are saving their money on this 'expensive paper'

It doesn't cost Apple a dime to allow me to purchase eBooks from the Kindle app or watch Netflix movies in the iOS app. Amazon/Netflix handle the billing, hosting the content, and delivering the content. There is no system to keep running. Apple's entire server/network could crash and go offline and the Kindle and Netflix apps would continue working as usual.

I would be defending any company if they announced the same procedure. Just because I use Apple products doesn't mean I'm a fanboy.

Someone had to develop that API for the apps. Someone has to provide storage and distribution for the apps. Someone has to provide the means for that application to have in-app subscriptions and a content delivery system to the app. That's Apple.

Learn how the system works? I understand how the system works. And if you don't like Apple's rules go play in Google's sandbox. I'm sure that they're much more willing to screw over consumers in the end. That's not where I want to be.

And they paid for all that when they signed up to be a developer. Getting an app onto the app store isn't free, even if the app itself is free.
 
I would raise the price for everyone by 30%, then offer coupon codes that can be redeemed at your site for 30% off. You are still officially following Apple's rules, while at the same time maintaining your proper profit margin and offering everything at the same price as before.

I don't think the requirements are fair for anyone to be required to charge the same price as other sources, the requirement it's self is fine, but they should be allowed to charge what they want.

1: You would have to raise prices by 43% to come out even after Apple's 30%-inclusive cut.

2: There's no reason to believe that Apple would accept such a loophole. They might just pull you from the App store.
 
If Apple is providing the infrastructure to deliver said content to the devices, they are entitled to a large-ish cut ~30%, but if all they are bringing to the party is the eyeballs I would agree with others that a 10% or < 10% cut like Google or something more like the 1-5% credit card companies get would seem more appropriate.
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So nobody would have a problem if VISA says "We get 30% of every purchase made with our VISA card"?
 
Obviously they did not read the part:

Publisher take 100% revenue if publisher already has the subscriber. Publishers are also free to charge whatever they want, but if they want access to paying customers using iOS, then why shouldn't they go by Apple's rules?

PS. The psystar morons already tried the same argument. Verdict: argument FAILED.

I guess you were the only one who noticed that line. Why don't you call the government and 200 publishers and explain that it was just a minor overlook by them and that Steve Jobs is the biggest god ever walking this Earth, and they should listen and obey to whatever he says to them.
 
And they paid for all that when they signed up to be a developer. Getting an app onto the app store isn't free, even if the app itself is free.

I understand that. You don't think Walmart makes a manufacturer pay a per-item rate as well as an entrance fee into their marketplace? I sure as hell bet they do.
 
Thanks for playing.

If "information is a commodity, and iOS is just another means of presenting information" then you shouldn't be concerned about this at all. Everyone will just move to some other interchangeable environment and see the same commodity information.

So, why do you care, again?
 
They (Netflix) will just change their subscription model to include a new offering if you want to use the iOS device and remove iOS access from other subscriptions.

Either way the customer loses.

The company would be making MORE money then, so they would be less likely to raise their rates for everyone.

It really is disheartening to see the complete lack of business understanding when it comes to this issue.

Let us say Netflix charges a $1.00 fee for IOS access, if Apple tolerates that, so Apple gets 30 cents, and Netflix gets .70 cents. So Netflix is now getting 70 cents more a month from every IOS user they were not getting before. This means their regular subscription prices will be less likely to increase because of this additional revenue.

It doesn't really matter anyways. We make deals with companies based on the value of their product. If it is worth it for people to pay for netflix they will pay for it. If it is not worth it they will not.

You act like Netflix would never charge for IOS access for their product. They would if they knew they could get it from everyone. They are no different from any other business.

People act like these other businesses are opposed to making money and maximizing their profitability, so Apple is evil for doing so. The reality is these companies are currently abusing the crap out of Apple right now and making a lot of money while Apple is burdened with all the costs so they can do it. Apple is trying to make that a more equitable solution for everyone. Not just a one way street where Apple incurs lots of expenses with no revenue, while these other companies generate a lot of revenue with no expenses.
 
Apple's argument will be that using ios will lead to higher volume to offset the cost. this could be true.

for example, myself, my sister and two of my friends all signed up for netflix b/c we bought apple TV's in December. We wouldn't have become subscribers otherwise

I subscribed to the NY post and WSJ app b/c i have an ipad. I would never have bought the paper counterparts without apple. I'd prob sign up for some magazines as well.

I can't decide who is right/wrong here.
 
Apple has things to pay for. All of that 30% isn't going in Steve's pocket. I hope Apple ups it to 40%.

What does Apple have to pay for if Netflix's, or Zinio's, or Rhapsody's app uses the web to get a subscriber and then delivers the content through the app? The transaction doesn't touch Apple. Apple's servers don't host the content and Apple takes no part in the subscription or delivery.

I can understand Apple agreeing to host content for a company that wants to sell it through the app store (and getting a commission for doing so), but they shouldn't be required to do it.

What's next? If I order merchandise through the Ebay or Amazon app, will Apple try to get a commission? Will the Mac App Store soon have the same requirement?

I can undersand Apple wanting a commission if they truly "bring" a subscriber, but since Netflix, Zinio, and Rhapsody have written their apps and distributed them in the app store, they are the ones "bringing" the subscriber....not Apple.

I'm as close to an Apple Fan Boy as it gets, but I just don't see how they can do this. If a content provider has written an app that can fetch content from the content provider's site and uses the content provider's billing system, how can Apple claim to be bringing the customer?
 
Apple's argument will be that using ios will lead to higher volume to offset the cost. this could be true.

for example, myself, my sister and two of my friends all signed up for netflix b/c we bought apple TV's in December. We wouldn't have become subscribers otherwise

I subscribed to the NY post and WSJ app b/c i have an ipad. I would never have bought the paper counterparts without apple. I'd prob sign up for some magazines as well.

I can't decide who is right/wrong here.

You wouldn't have bought the Apple TV if you didn't have a TV. Should Apple have to give a cut to the manufacturer of your TV?

That's basically what it is. Once you answer that question, you know who's right and who's wrong.
 
All these people "leeching off apple's platform" are actually adding massive value. Apple would not sell iPhone's at all if it didn't have the apps and the content that came with it. Apple taking 30% of their revenue is going to drive this value away from the iOS platform. Which is bad for me.

I am not pro amazon, or pro apple, what I care about is the choice and price, if apple drives away content providers then they will drive away my custom. If they drive up prices they drive away my custom.

Apple doesn't deserve anything, they are not hosting content, they are not protecting consumers data (you still have to have some sort of account to receive service), they are not paying bandwidth, they are not dealing with support, all they are doing is trying to take a slice.
Where apple provides a service, they deserve a slice. Here they don't.

requiring that you HAVe to have in app options, and not allowing external links, and forcing the same price across all platforms is a total dick bully move.

This sucks not because I hate apple, or love amazon or anything. It sucks because it makes my iPhone worse.
 
If "information is a commodity, and iOS is just another means of presenting information" then you shouldn't be concerned about this at all. Everyone will just move to some other interchangeable environment and see the same commodity information.

So, why do you care, again?

Why do you care why I care? Aren't I allowed to care?
 
As it stands at the moment, Netflix do all their subscriptions elsewhere. They can continue to take subscriptions on their website, tell people to download their iPad app, and continue to pay Apple nothing. All well and good.

Same goes for Time magazine. If they want to tell all their subscribers that they can download the app for free and log in with a subscriber user/password, then they're free to go right ahead and pay Apple nothing.

The time to pay Apple comes when you give away your free reader application, and put a button in there that says "subscribe to our content". That's the point where Apple is saying you need to let the user choose to subscribe with their iTunes account. From the users point of view, it's a brilliant experience. They only have to click a couple of buttons, don't have to type in anything new, don't have to give away any of their personal information to the publisher unless they want to, and get to be safe in the knowledge they can cancel it easily at any time. Users should love this, and want this.

From the publisher point of view, they get immediate access to 70 million iTunes accounts with credit cards attached, get the money deposited straight into their bank without having to deal with credit card fraud, billing support, cancellations, credit card processing, or any of the other things that have to go in to running a massive billing operation. They also get a mass of potential subscribers handed to them on a plate. For that, Apple take 30%, an industry standard cut for any such offering. The content owners should be loving it too. Rupert Murdoch and The Daily obviously thought it was worth it.

The publishers are up in arms more about the loss of subscriber data than they are about giving 30% to Apple. 30% is normal. They give that to their distribution partners whoever they are. Probably more. What they really want is your personal details, your name, your email address, your demographic. That's what they sell to advertisers. They don't like that Apple is only going to give them that if the user specifically agrees to give them it. They don't like that Apple is putting the power in the users hands and not theirs.

For all the people here complaining, you should be happy that the power is going to be in your hands over who gets to sell your data.

And to those shouting antitrust, that's such a typical American response these days. Seems like anybody who is successful therefore must be subject to some sort of lawsuit. But in this case it's quite simple, you want to play in Apple's playground, you have to abide by their rules. Just because their rules are nicely balanced to being good for consumers (don't give up your personal details, your credit card info or your immediate right to cancel at any time, woohoo!) and for themselves (obviously, they're a business), and not on the side of the big worldwide multi-conglomerate evil music, movie and publishing industries - doesn't mean they're illegal or unlawful.

If these companies don't want instant access to all those potential subscribers and the affluent pockets of those who made the iPad one of the fastest selling pieces of technology of all time, then that is their choice, and they are welcome not to put their apps on the device. They can't just run to the courts because the place they want to play doesn't suit them.

And of course, if this does drive all these companies to go elsewhere, the iPad gets no decent apps or services, and isn't worth buying, then that's fine too. You can go and buy some other device that does have the things you want on it. It'll run really well sitting next to the apps trying to steal your credit card data and the companies selling your personal details to the highest bidder. But that's customer choice for you.
 
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