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It would be stupid to throw away the old iPhone instead of selling it or giving it to someone. Who does that? If people are actually doing that, which I doubt, then it's not Apple's fault.

Besides, do you know how TINY a phone is? It's such an insignificant amount of waste (for those people who supposedly throw away iPhones) when you consider everything else someone would throw away.

the phone itself is not the source. its the manufacturing waste that goes into it that is the problem. its like EV cars. "oh, im not burning gas! im so green!" but they're not thinking of how much pollution was generated in making those batteries.
 
It's not wrong, though "whingeing" is a more common spelling. Look it up. (Always a good idea when you encounter an unfamiliar word, instead of just assuming it's "spelled wrong".)
My apologies. Apparently it's a common British/Australian spelling. I was born in the USA and had never seen it spelled that way.
 
I grasp the concept just fine. I do not comprehend how you are managing to apply it.



First off, your iPhone doesn't "stop getting serviced" the day a new one comes out either. It still has 100% of the functionality it had the day it was bought sans wear and tear by the user.
Eventually, Apple will stop providing replacement parts, but that's true of car manufacturers too. If I go to buy a brand new engine for my BMW from the dealership they are going to laugh.

Edit: Also, BMW the manufacturer is going to laugh even harder if I actually call them. The "BMW Dealership" is a separate business with little to no association. Apple actually does more hands on with used hardware than BMW does.



My iPhone 4 had MORE functionality the day I retired it to get an iPhone 5s than it did when I bought it. I'd really like you to give me some hard evidence, specific features, of a phone that just "stop working" as soon as a new model comes out.

Or are you simply upset that technology keeps advancing and won't stand still so you can keep up and feel like you have the best?

Your move.


did i say this was affecting me? what im talking about are the legions of fanboys who rush out and buy the new stuff as soon as it comes out. to them, it doesnt matter.... its no longer new, so the old one, by their rationale, is ****.

you and I both know better, hell, i had the exact same upgrade path that you had (4 to 5S) and its a great upgrade. But i work in IT, and i see these guys buying new devices every three-four months (i like android, no i like ios, no i like android!) and after a while you just have to wonder how much waste gets generated from this constant-refreshing that plays into people's psychology that they "need" it.

you are continually sticking on particular wordings of what i say in order to invalidate it rather than actually making an attempt to refute my point. were apple to be a car dealership, they would be like tesla, and handle all aspects of the car's experience. saying my argument is invalid because car dealerships and apple do things differently is being avoidant to the actual point. get back to me when you can form a coherent counterpoint that actually pays attention to the idea as a whole instead of picking apart individual sentences to try to win the argument.
 
It's spelled "whining". Normally, I try not to be a grammar/spelling nazi, but you spelled it wrong (the same way) twice in your post.

WTF no... whinging and whining are 2 different things.

Here's something Androids are good for - GOOGLE it bro!
 
the phone itself is not the source. its the manufacturing waste that goes into it that is the problem. its like EV cars. "oh, im not burning gas! im so green!" but they're not thinking of how much pollution was generated in making those batteries.

Well you said landfills. Yes, manufacturing the phone hurts the environment.
 
By design it is supposed to download it when there's enough space and you spend enough time on WiFi for it to download the update. Based on many observations by many people, it seems like that's how it has been working. Perhaps it doesn't happen to everyone, for one reason or another, but it does for most, by design.

It's never done anything like that with any of my iPod touches (2nd, 4th, 5th gen), ever. When updating the OS I've always had to manually OK it, and only afterwards does it download and install.

--Eric
 
I can only say I hope to never fly on an airplane with a cockpit designed by someone like you. Cockpits are probably the most studied arena for human-machine interaction in history, and they are time-tested as a model of intuitive usability. And do you know what the gear lever looks like? (hint: it's not thin grey text floating on a bright white background with no indication of where to press or swipe) It looks like a piece of landing gear with an actual wheel! Do I think skeuomorphism should be applied everywhere to this degree? Of course not. But it is an example of making something intuitive, EVEN FOR professional, tech-saavy users. Why get rid of buttons, shading, and borders just to "hide" functionality because we should know it's there? Does it make you feel superior and like a tech lord to wade through confusing, non-obvious interface elements quickly just because you have mastered the obscurity of it all? Maybe you should replace all the light switches in your house with tiny, thin grey letters on the wall that you just swipe - after all, who needs a switch that is easily recognizable (yes, even for your Mom), when you could have sleek, "flat" controls that take time to find, figure out, and use?
LOL. Love how you picked a particularly antiquated cockpit lacking modern amenities such as glass cockpit technology. Also love how you picked an industry that will inevitably be following Johnny Ive's "insanely simple" path. You see, pilots are the cause of pretty much 100% of first-world aviation accidents. In order to make things safer, we have been increasing automation more and more to the point where pilots aren't even allowed to touch the controls for most of the flight. This automation trend will continue until we get to the point where the only thing the pilot does is push the "Go" button (and no, there will NOT be a border around it). After that, we'll get rid of the pilot entirely. It's already happening in military aviation and the trend will prove unstoppable.
 
It's never done anything like that with any of my iPod touches (2nd, 4th, 5th gen), ever. When updating the OS I've always had to manually OK it, and only afterwards does it download and install.

--Eric
Sounds like you are one of the few that for one reason or anothe haven't experienced that kind if built in functionality (at least as of iOS 5 or 6).
 
I can only say I hope to never fly on an airplane with a cockpit designed by someone like you. Cockpits are probably the most studied arena for human-machine interaction in history, and they are time-tested as a model of intuitive usability. And do you know what the gear lever looks like? (hint: it's not thin grey text floating on a bright white background with no indication of where to press or swipe) It looks like a piece of landing gear with an actual wheel! Do I think skeuomorphism should be applied everywhere to this degree? Of course not. But it is an example of making something intuitive, EVEN FOR professional, tech-saavy users. Why get rid of buttons, shading, and borders just to "hide" functionality because we should know it's there? Does it make you feel superior and like a tech lord to wade through confusing, non-obvious interface elements quickly just because you have mastered the obscurity of it all? Maybe you should replace all the light switches in your house with tiny, thin grey letters on the wall that you just swipe - after all, who needs a switch that is easily recognizable (yes, even for your Mom), when you could have sleek, "flat" controls that take time to find, figure out, and use?

That's a really cool example actually... didn't know!!

Visual metaphors are very useful for all. Desktop, windows, menus, folders, trash, document, notepad, calculator, mailbox, maps, camera, newsstand, passbook, pinch, drag, tap...etc. IMO life and computers will always be separate regardless of how tight the boundaries become.
 
Yeah, I find it quite hilarious how all the people who dislike iOS 7 have never met someone who likes iOS 7 outside MacRumors :D

Everyone i know outside if MR has expressed dissatisfaction with ios7. Some have used tge word hate.
 
I can only say I hope to never fly on an airplane with a cockpit designed by someone like you. Cockpits are probably the most studied arena for human-machine interaction in history, and they are time-tested as a model of intuitive usability.

I wouldn't go so far as to call them a model of intuitiveness. The artificial horizon is a good example of a primary instrument that's actually counter-intuitive to a lot of people at first, because of the way its "ground-sky" tilts instead of the little aircraft.

However, there is a fair amount of standardization of layouts these days. And even with digital displays, most virtual instruments continue to use analog dial modes for at-a-glance checks.

And do you know what the gear lever looks like? (hint: it's not thin grey text floating on a bright white background with no indication of where to press or swipe) It looks like a piece of landing gear with an actual wheel!

Yep, and the flap switch usually looks like a flap.

Speaking of layouts, the early Beeches were infamous for having their gear and flap switches in the exact opposite positions as almost every other aircraft.

This led to those airplanes having a lot more gear retraction incidents, where pilots, say on a short field landing roll-out, would automatically reach over to the right of the throttles to retract the flaps ... but that switch retracted the gear instead! Combined with a lack of squat switches back then, the gear would come up while the plane was still rolling to a stop. Oops!
 
Numbers shmumbers, Windows is at 80%. But can anyone explain why iOS 7 adoption drops by roughly 0.5% every Friday? o_O

https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/ios_7

It's also interesting that Tim Cook claimed iOS 7 adoption was at 64% at the end of October (iPad event), and now it's at 74%. In the same time, the MixPanel graph bounced back and forth and only gained 2%. MixPanel is still pretty accurate, but it definitely seems to include more early adopters than late adopters.
 
So about 2 months for iOS 7 to reach 75% of the measurable iOS user base.

Meanwhile in the Android world (*) : [url=http://i.imgur.com/9DcBSHXb.jpg]Image[/url]
Around 5% of measured devices are running on an OS less than 12 months old,
around 75% of measured devices are running on 4.0.3 released 24 months ago, or a newer version.

(*) it excludes the hundred of millions Android devices, for example in China, not running the Play Store and not measured.

For android the huge difference is 90% of what you called upgrade can done outside the OS upgrade via the Playstore.

So a 2 years old android will still run the latest map, email, keyboard (in fact most core functionality). And these are updated at a much faster rate than the ios/iphone os update.

Can you have the latest apple map running in a phone running ios 5. Nope. In fact a phone running ios 5 is completely crippled.
 
I'm sticking with a jailbroken iPhone 5 and iOS 6.1.2 indefinitely...

The remainder are likely dyslexic.

Think I'm being funny? A friend of mine just updated to iOS 7 after having some doubts on wether it'd be too hard to deal with, what with her dyslexia being really bad.

....What?

She just called me, from a landline, in tears because she can barely use her phone and wanted to know if she could go back to iOS 6. I've just added her to my Dev Portal and gave her instructions for how to update to 7.1 to see if the extra settings present in the Beta will help but from what she has told me it's not looking hopeful.

I like iOS 7 but they've really dropped the disability ball, she's not the only one either, I googled the issue and a lot of people are having trouble.

Dude what are you even talking about?
 
I'm sticking with a jailbroken iPhone 5 and iOS 6.1.2 indefinitely...



....What?



Dude what are you even talking about?
That there are various types of people that have legitimate and particular usability issues with iOS 7, beyond more or less subjective ones that many more have.
 
For android the huge difference is 90% of what you called upgrade can done outside the OS upgrade via the Playstore.
So a 2 years old android will still run the latest map, email, keyboard (in fact most core functionality). And these are updated at a much faster rate than the ios/iphone os update.
You don't get it, I'm not talking about system apps, I'm talking about APIs allowing 3rd party app developers to have a consistent platform to develop for.
I rather expected answers about the Play Services or the Support Library.

Can you have the latest apple map running in a phone running ios 5. Nope. In fact a phone running ios 5 is completely crippled.
The 3GS (2009) can run iOS 6.
The 3G (2008) was left behind at 4.2.1
What 2008 Android phone is gonna run all the newest versions of system apps?
 
What a shame. The only people I know on iOS7 (6 of them) all like it, and all came from iOS6. Perhaps you come from a genetic pool that's averse to change? You do mention that those that weren't used to iOS6 like it, right? Change is difficult, but not bad.

Hmm.. Perhaps you come from a genetic pool of people who have difficulty recognising valid improvements from flashy trendy ones ?
Or perhaps you are one of those poor victims who always fall prey to those shrewd salesmen. Because you naturally believe everything new and changed (your own words) must be good. So thats how those salesman manage to pull fast ones.
 
Everyone i know outside if MR has expressed dissatisfaction with ios7. Some have used tge word hate.

And everyone I know outside MacRumors have expressed satisfaction with iOS 7! And some of them have used the word LOVE!

You know, because I have had all the time to ask anyone outside MacRumors what they thought about iOS7 :rolleyes:
 
The notes app is black text on a white background, much more readable than the black on yellow used previously.

Nope. The text is actually light gray (if you measure it in Photoshop) on a not-100%-white background. It looks cool and trendy. I myself did posters and flyers like this (even 5 years ago) - gray text on a white background. But it's not very functional for a OS, at least compared with iOS6.

Here is a picture to better understand what I'm saying :

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And here is a gif animation with the default notes app with its gray text on white-gray background and the next frame is a black text (still not completely black) on a whiter background :

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That there are various types of people that have legitimate and particular usability issues with iOS 7, beyond more or less subjective ones that many more have.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, and I have even less idea what he was trying to say..
 
I Love iOS 7 !

Indeed. Since there's no way to go back to iOS 6 after you've gone to iOS 7, I'd be very curious to see how many people have it, and also hate it and wish they could downgrade. So far I know of no one not on Macrumors who likes it. If you google iOS 7, the fourth most commonly searched word that follows it is the word "Sucks".

After upgrading to 7, I was glad to break my display and get a replacement iPad that still came with iOS 6. I'll check back in at iOS 8, but if they don't sort their visual disaster out, I'm ditching iOS completely.

There are some of us on MR that love iOS 7!

I can also vouch for the dozen of so friends and family that really like it. Your comment and search is anecdotal. Certainly mine is too, so don't pretend yours is more valid. Also if you search "love iOS 7" you'll find plenty of articles that say they love it.

There may be a more vocal group here at MR complaining about iOS but that in no way makes your POV the official stance. Lets face it, complainers are generally more vocal than those that are content.

IMO, iOS 7 blows away iOS 6, but I respect it's personal preference.
 
Wrong. As numerous people here have pointed out, the Google autofill results are customized to the user. My top iOS 7 autofills are "jailbreak" "release date Canada" "review" and "wallpaper". The previous poster proved nothing except that Google has him pegged as a complainer (correctly) and now does him the 'service' of feeding him content to reinforce his flawed worldview.

I stand corrected. Neither of you have any hard data, you both are just claiming that the other is wrong without anything to point to.
 
Just so people are aware, Apple is not the only ones to force download an OS update.

Take a look at the screen caps below. One is from my Nexus 4 and one from my Nexus 7. Both devices force downloaded the update without me doing a thing. I can remove it by resetting to factory but it will just come back again and I will not install it.
 

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