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I really don't see AR/VR being popular until we can get it into a normal pair of glasses. So ~10-15 years away?

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Is that something people really want? VR in a regular pair of glasses makes little sense as light will bleed in from all sides. AR would just become a distraction, IMO. I think the last thing I really want is a pair of glasses on my face all day feeding me information, showing me texts, weather, social media, map directions, etc. Also they could be very dangerous for people driving cars and in many other circumstances.

If these are really going to work they need to find a way to use them that enhances people‘s daily routines. It could be a supplement on a job site, or for doctors, or maybe even developers. It might be a nice way to watch a movie on a long airplane trip. It could help in emergency services, or in training pilots.

All of this comes with a big asterisk since VR headsets exist today and haven’t really caught on beyond gaming in any meaningful way. Google already had their Google glasses and they were not a bog success. We’ll have to see if Apple has a compelling use case that helps to move the technology along or if it’s just another expensive device in the market.
 
I think it’s quite clear what the headwinds are, but I can summarise them.

It is a very niche market already crowded with competitors with a lot of experience who have been releasing products for years, at significantly more affordable price points than what the rumours suggest apple will do. Sure, apple might introduce some marginal improvements over then status quo. Will it justify a price five to six times higher? Doubtful. Not to mention the fact that the other companies already have established stores with hundreds of apps, games and experiences. Apple starts from zero. Sure, it might convince developers to develop, but it is not granted. It succeeds with the iPhone app store, not as much with the watch store (very few apps are available and in fact some big names removed their apps) or the Mac App Store.

The biggest problem though is that for most people this thing is a solution to a problem nobody has. Everybody (or most people) needed or wanted an iPod, a phone and an internet communicator. iPhone was a huge success because of it. People wanted these things and a product that combined them all was hence very appealing. Very few people have any interest in spending a lot of time with their head in an awkward mask. Even the few who find the experience appealing would probably refrain from doing it in public. A big difference with iPhone, that people have always been proud to use and show around.

Journey back to 2007, just before another "big reveal"...

It is a very niche market already crowded with competitors: phone

with a lot of experience: phone

who have been releasing products for years: phone

at significantly more affordable price points than what the rumours suggest apple will do: phone

Sure, apple might introduce some marginal improvements over then status quo: iPhone

Will it justify a price five to six times higher: phone

Doubtful: traditional pessimist, sometimes fear-of-change opinion ahead of big reveal of anything

Not to mention the fact that the other companies already have established stores with hundreds of apps, games and experiences: rumor is that this will be able to use up to all iPad apps from the start. I don't know the exact number, but I assume that's hundreds OF THOUSANDS if not millions of apps from the start.

Apple starts from zero: not per rumors viewed through a "half full" lens, and Apple would roll out at least a good mix of their own app creations specifically for this thing, as they have with EVERY new category product they've ever released. So I would bet all I have that ZERO apps is impossible. Care to take that bet?

Sure, it might convince developers to develop, but it is not granted. It succeeds with the iPhone app store, not as much with the watch store (very few apps are available and in fact some big names removed their apps) or the Mac App Store: good point. Even Apple can't know this one until it gets "out there."

The biggest problem though is that for most people this thing is a solution to a problem nobody has: many have posted problems & opportunities they have for which this "solution" has a good chance of addressing. Only the pessimists seem to ignore any such examples to maintain a laser focus on this concept that nobody can imagine anything that this could do to better their tech lives.

Everybody (or most people) needed or wanted an iPod, a phone and an internet communicator. iPhone was a huge success because of it: this crowd ridiculed iPod even on release day (refer back to the infamous thread), Apples first cut at an Apple-linked phone was one from Motorola that seemed to center around iTunes. Jobs demoed it to the crowd himself about 2 or so years before iPhone.

People wanted these things and a product that combined them all was hence very appealing: Goggles has potential to be all 3 things too and a ton of other things. A device that can fully fool eyes into seeing ANYTHING as if it is as real as reality is a device that has a nearly unlimited canvas of potential uses.

Very few people have any interest in spending a lot of time with their head in an awkward mask: (2007) very few people want to walk around with a big brick of breakable glass in their pocket with a potentially explosive lithium ion battery near their "precious." ;)

Even the few who find the experience appealing would probably refrain from doing it in public: to be determined. People do all kinds of completely insane things in public. Try watching a channel like FailArmy for a while. I doubt this will rank remotely as insane as some of the things people will do only in pursuit of attention. This thing likely has practical applications.

A big difference with iPhone, that people have always been proud to use and show around: I suspect anyone who spends whatever this will cost and concerned with what other people think, will want to show off that they happen to have Apples "latest & greatest" new kind of device. See thousands of threads on this site where owners of new Apple products will evangelize them to all others and/or defend them even when they have absolutely known faults. There will be 10 or 20 threads of people showing pictures of the box when it arrives, unboxing videos, etc... as happens with EVERYTHING new and/or only slightly tweaked from Apple.

You might also recall how this crowd ridiculed phablet-sized phones as "abominations" while Apple clung to 3.5" and then 4" screens as "perfection." They were ridiculed in every possible way in hundreds of threads for YEARS... until... Apple rolled out their own phablets and then almost all such opinion seemed to evaporate almost overnight. I'm still watching for pants with bigger pockets and man purses (where are they? Did nobody buy the bigger "abomination" iPhones???)... and I cannot believe how all of those one-handed use hands must have grown that year to make the new phones usable. ;)



I'm not specifically picking at you with this post: just pointing out that if one changes their lens or perspective, imagined negatives or positives can look very different. I could write a bunch of stuff to make this seem like the greatest invention in the history of the world. And I could write a bunch of stuff to rip it to shreds. While it is still vapor we can imagine it can do anything... or nothing... great things or terrible things. Through a half full vs. half empty lens... or completely full/overflowing or completely empty/not even a glass viewpoint... it only reflects how each of us choose to apply our "think different" imaginations. Some of us are extraordinarily pessimistic and others are similarly optimistic. Both find themselves at either extreme or somewhere in between the extremes driven by the very same vapor, rumors, speculation, imagination, hype, group opinion, etc.

In a few days, all of the haze, imagination, smoke, confusion, etc likely gets removed. I suspect opinions- good or bad- will dramatically moderate or swing once we know what it actually is, what it can do and how much it costs.
 
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Delusion is strong in this one 😂

It wouldn’t be the first time Apple releases something that flops badly. Famous examples include Newton, Pippin, the HomePod. Whosever bet against these products did NOT lose their money. Failure also occurred with software and services (Ping, mobile me, Apple Arcade). Apple is just a company, and like any other it occasionally fails to deliver. I don’t have a crystal ball so I don’t know what will happen with this VR product. But all available information seem to indicate something marginally better (if at all) to the competition, but with an insane price tag. If that’s the case I can’t see how it wouldn’t fail badly.

A couple of those initial products might have "flopped" but the Newton became the iPhone, the Pippin became the Apple TV, and the HomePod is going strong (it didn't flop but did take some reconfiguration).

This first VR headset might not sell well but it's an area that will catch on. Not necessarily as ski goggles but as AR glasses or contacts. These first forays need to be made. Apple is not early to the game. VR headsets have been around for a long time but have always been niche.
 
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I’m actually really excited to see how Apple markets this thing, especially if the price rumors turn out true which would put this headset much higher than the competition (and higher than any consumer headset that came before it).

With such a big delay between announcing and actually selling it, Apple will really need to knock it out of the park to keep the momentum high enough over 6 months.

This should be very interesting!
 
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Delusion is strong in this one 😂

It wouldn’t be the first time Apple releases something that flops badly. Famous examples include Newton, Pippin, the HomePod. Whosever bet against these products did NOT lose their money. Failure also occurred with software and services (Ping, mobile me, Apple Arcade). Apple is just a company, and like any other it occasionally fails to deliver. I don’t have a crystal ball so I don’t know what will happen with this VR product. But all available information seem to indicate something marginally better (if at all) to the competition, but with an insane price tag. If that’s the case I can’t see how it wouldn’t fail badly.

You must be a Windows or Android user and you are dead wrong! lol

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In all honesty, this screams “we’ve been pressured to release a brand-new product since the original iPhone and this is the best we can do”. Moreover, it’s not even a revolutionary one like the iPhone was back in the day. They’re just following the trend of other VR products here. It remains to be seen how it all pans out, of course.
Pressured by what? The ever sky rocketing share price?
 
I think it’s quite clear what the headwinds are, but I can summarise them.

It is a very niche market already crowded with competitors with a lot of experience who have been releasing products for years, at significantly more affordable price points than what the rumours suggest apple will do. Sure, apple might introduce some marginal improvements over then status quo. Will it justify a price five to six times higher? Doubtful. Not to mention the fact that the other companies already have established stores with hundreds of apps, games and experiences. Apple starts from zero. Sure, it might convince developers to develop, but it is not granted. It succeeds with the iPhone app store, not as much with the watch store (very few apps are available and in fact some big names removed their apps) or the Mac App Store.

The biggest problem though is that for most people this thing is a solution to a problem nobody has. Everybody (or most people) needed or wanted an iPod, a phone and an internet communicator. iPhone was a huge success because of it. People wanted these things and a product that combined them all was hence very appealing. Very few people have any interest in spending a lot of time with their head in an awkward mask. Even the few who find the experience appealing would probably refrain from doing it in public. A big difference with iPhone, that people have always been proud to use and show around.
All valid points. It'll be interesting to see what differentiates Apple's headset from all the existing ones. It is curious though that we can say all these things about the Mac in the 80s/90s: niche market, crowded with more affordable competitors boasting broader software offerings.

And it's true that the Watch App Store hasn't thrived, though I think that's due to the fact that Apple's core apps more than suitably cover the Watch's use cases. Whereas with something like a headset, and/or an all new immersive platform, the use cases seem infinite - so an App Store has more relevance and promise.

Despite all of these headwinds, it seems to me computing has been stuck for a while now on screens. And that inevitably, eventually, a more immerse, naturalistic, 3D experience will be the norm. The iPhone touchscreen experience is (somehow) 16 years old. I think 16 years from now, it will feel quite limiting. And I suspect Monday's headset will be the first step toward the next experience. I also trust that, unlike their competitors, Apple will nurture the product and the platform, pivoting and evolving, steering it toward that future. Time will tell. Can't wait for Monday!
 
You forgot to list Apple Watch Ultra. No way! I have to upgrade to the new iPhone this year. I'm already at 97% of battery life. The only way to get back to 100% battery life is to get a brand-new iPhone. This is just unacceptable 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Ah I did forget to mention new Ultra still uncertain if color upgrades or also new cpu
 
3 more days left. This is a new era. 🥽

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I thinks it’s so far out that one can’t make any serious conjectures. It’s like how people used to think that flying cars would become a thing. It might not happen in our lifetime. And it’s likely that other things will happen instead that we don’t even conceive of now.
Plenty of flying cars exist. They just cost tons of money.

 
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Plenty of flying cars exist. They just cost tons of money.

I know, but they are not an everyday practical means of transportation as imagined, replacing regular cars, and will likely never be.
 
I miss the days when the MacRumors comments section was a place of actual thought and conversation. Now it's just a Twitter'ish hole where people fling flippant, sardonic dead-end comments. It's too easy to type "flop"; instead, give us a thoughtful argument as to the headwinds you think a new product might face. I am over the moon for this upcoming launch and I'd make my case, but it's not clear there's many left here who care... ?
Very, very true. And very sad to see what happened here. Clicks and revenue are all that matter now.
 
You forgot to list Apple Watch Ultra. No way! I have to upgrade to the new iPhone this year. I'm already at 97% of battery life. The only way to get back to 100% battery life is to get a brand-new iPhone. This is just unacceptable 🤦🏻‍♀️
Are you seriously saying that you can't live with a phone that "only" reaches 97% of battery capacity??? Oh vay!
 
I miss the days when the MacRumors comments section was a place of actual thought and conversation. Now it's just a Twitter'ish hole where people fling flippant, sardonic dead-end comments. It's too easy to type "flop"; instead, give us a thoughtful argument as to the headwinds you think a new product might face. I am over the moon for this upcoming launch and I'd make my case, but it's not clear there's many left here who care... ?
Over the moon for a child or a gf or wife.

A head set? I’m not following
 
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