Apple's AR/VR Headset Said to Feature Digital Crown, Waist-Mounted Battery Pack, and More

[purplerainpurplerain]

A couple celebrities wearing it publicly should fix all those issues. You’ll see it on some series and movies, youtube influencers etc.

We already saw it in Lawnmower Man and Timecop wayyyyy back 😂😛

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Why 5 devices? iPad better than iPhone at reading books, TV better than iPad at watching TV (ironic), iPhone better at making phone calls than Watch, and Watch better at telling time than HomePod mini.

Motorcyclists aren't wearing VR headsets. Those are legally required head protection that survive slamming concrete at high velocities.

Sunglasses block out distracting or annoying sunlight. They're not displaying anything that could be distracting to the user, such as text messages, calls, etc (all of which are illegal to respond to or look at while operating a motor vehicle without handsfree).

It also will supposedly only have a 2 hour battery limit, and I don't know if you've ever tried to take your helmet while riding, but it's not easy. As for car drivers, one more thing to plug into....if the government even allows a driver to operate it while in operation of a Class C Motor Vehicle.

It is obvious when I am filming with my iPhone. I also don't have it strapped to my face. Someone on their laptop or phone at a bar usually gives off "leave me alone" vibes. A small few bars or restaurants I have visited outright will ignore you if you are on your phone. However, they display signage to alert you of this.

And I spend much of my time with non-tech people, and they have all wondered if they would be able to resist snickering or outright mocking someone wearing a VR headset in public. To tech people, it sounds cool! To non-tech people, you look like a total nerd/geek and with that comes scorn. There's also some people who just aren't used to seeing it, and will be uncomfortable, wondering what led someone to think that's normal. Human psychology is highly complex and a cavalier wave of the hand to these people as bigots or bullies completely misses the point, and alienates the preferred demographic (non-tech, non-nerd, non-geek, as this is the largest amount of customers).

Why I keep cynically tearing it down shows my bias for tech fixes to issues that are currently here and still need fixing. I still would enjoy some justification for the Pro moniker on the iPad Pro. It's a glorified iPhone with a larger screen with a holy hell amount of RAM for apps that barely need 1/4 of that memory pool. I love my iPad, but I don't see how the extra power of M1 has improved my experience compared the previous Ax-series.

And to counter your point that there was at one point a first iPad owner, there was also a first Atari Jaguar owner and nobody cares about that guy. The Atari Jaguar was the "World's First 64-bit gaming system", despite not being 64-bit (two 32-bit RISC processors chained together with a Motorola 68k is not 64-bit). It also had a VR headset that was gonna revolutionize gaming! It never launched.

I appreciate everything you shared from your perspective.

What if everyone else has a different "5" and one of their 5s is these Goggles? Apple can sell this product to them. You seem happy with your 5. Maybe they can be happy with their different 5. I know very Apple people happy with an Android phone... and Windows people very happy with only an iPhone from Apple. People's mix of products is as diverse as people themselves.

The point of the motorcyclists was not that they should wear Goggles but that things on our heads are not automatically illegal when in motor vehicles. I neither expect motorcyclists nor car drivers to be wearing Goggles much unless they add something to the driving experience. I have no expectations of them putting them on or taking them off while driving. I'm personally interested in the Goggles as I imagine them, but I have no interest in wearing them while driving, biking, etc. In most of my imagination, I use them when stationary like I use a laptop/desktop. Pull them out when I need a screen, put them away when I don't. I simply envision this screen can be any size.

The rumor IS 2 hours. But that is a rumor... as is all of it. What if that 2 hour rumor is like the "new iPad will cost $999" rumor when that product launched?

All of the "people may not want to be filmed" worries is addressed the same way it is now. Either Goggles wearer feels this is not the place to be in them or rules of the place says "no goggles." People reacting to someone wearing Goggles should give them a good clue. Given the flak Apple takes over AirTags, I would expect some kind of very obvious sign when recording is "on" so that no one would be surprised that video is being shot.

To the social ridicule for goggles wearers, I can COMPLETELY see that scenario right with you and your friends. But I also see people wearing headphones- sometimes big & loudly colored ones- in public to no ridicule. There will likely be some ridicule at first- I bet that first cell phone owner carrying around that giant brick + battery case got plenty of ridicule too- and either the Goggles owners will learn to minimize the ridicule by using them in more acceptable settings or the world will come around with the uptake... IF there is uptake. I see people run into things because they are too engrossed in their phones. They get ridiculed. But that doesn't make them stop using their phones.

I'm more than 100% with you on wishing current Apple stuff would get fixes/bug squashing/etc. It frustrates me to no end that expensive Apple things I already have can be so buggy. However, the people that can get rid of the bugs aren't automatically the same people developing a new product. Hopefully both great product development and great efforts at making current tech work better are underway in parallel.

Apple is not Atari or FB or Microsoft, etc. Few thought iPod was a great idea for Apple even immediately after launch. It made little sense on first rumors of Apple Computer Inc. developing a phone. This is what it looks like before a launch. We see other company failures and want to offer them up as why Apple can't have a success. But we can look back at those successes- when the same kind of stuff was slung- and see revolutionary new products.

In foresight- we are guessing/imagining. In hindsight- we know/have clarity. From this perspective, anything is possible with this product potential. 5 years out looking back at the launch, the views may be very different. Look up that infamous iPod launch thread and see what the bulk of "us" around here collectively thought of that "priced way too high", "makes no sense", "several of these are already on the market and no one wants them" product.

I don't know that this will be revolutionary. It may be the biggest dud ever. But I don't have to assume it will be either terrible or "next iPhone" either. The parts & pieces rumored to be offered give it a LOT of potential. Whether Apple can make it desirable to many is to be determined. I'll fully grant that this could bomb but those who think so should leave enough "what if" in their own thinking that it just might be great. The reality is probably something between the extremist thinking at both ends.

6+ years (at least as public knowledge) is a LONG time for Apple to be working on anything. I have to think whatever their Goggles/Glasses are will be more than 198X Jaguars, or Oculus, etc. Else, why is it taking so long and so much money?

 

[Mike WA4D]

I appreciate everything you shared from your perspective.

What if everyone else has a different "5" and one of their 5s is these Goggles? Apple can sell this product to them. You seem happy with your 5. Maybe they can be happy with their different 5. I know very Apple people happy with an Android phone... and Windows people very happy with only an iPhone from Apple. People's mix of products is as diverse as people themselves.

The point of the motorcyclists was not that they should wear Goggles but that things on our heads are not automatically illegal when in motor vehicles. I neither expect motorcyclists nor car drivers to be wearing Goggles much unless they add something to the driving experience. I have no expectations of them putting them on or taking them off while driving. I'm personally interested in the Goggles as I imagine them, but I have no interest in wearing them while driving, biking, etc. In most of my imagination, I use them when stationary like I use a laptop/desktop. Pull them out when I need a screen, put them away when I don't. I simply envision this screen can be any size.

The rumor IS 2 hours. But that is a rumor... as is all of it. What if that 2 hour rumor is like the "new iPad will cost $999" rumor when that product launched?

All of the "people may not want to be filmed" worries is addressed the same way it is now. Either Goggles wearer feels this is not the place to be in them or rules of the place says "no goggles." People reacting to someone wearing Goggles should give them a good clue. Given the flak Apple takes over AirTags, I would expect some kind of very obvious sign when recording is "on" so that no one would be surprised that video is being shot.

To the social ridicule for goggles wearers, I can COMPLETELY see that scenario right with you and your friends. But I also see people wearing headphones- sometimes big & loudly colored ones- in public to no ridicule. There will likely be some ridicule at first- I bet that first cell phone owner carrying around that giant brick + battery case got plenty of ridicule too- and either the Goggles owners will learn to minimize the ridicule by using them in more acceptable settings or the world will come around with the uptake... IF there is uptake. I see people run into things because they are too engrossed in their phones. They get ridiculed. But that doesn't make them stop using their phones.

I'm more than 100% with you on wishing current Apple stuff would get fixes/bug squashing/etc. It frustrates me to no end that expensive Apple things I already have can be so buggy. However, the people that can get rid of the bugs aren't automatically the same people developing a new product. Hopefully both great product development and great efforts at making current tech work better are underway in parallel.

Apple is not Atari or FB or Microsoft, etc. Few thought iPod was a great idea for Apple even immediately after launch. It made little sense on first rumors of Apple Computer Inc. developing a phone. This is what it looks like before a launch. We see other company failures and want to offer them up as why Apple can't have a success. But we can look back at those successes- when the same kind of stuff was slung- and see revolutionary new products. In foresight- we are guessing/imagining. In hindsight- we know/have clarity. Front his perspective, anything is possible with this product potential. 5 years out looking back at the launch, the views may be very different. Look up that infamous iPod launch thread and see what the bulk of "us" around here collectively thought of that "priced way too high", "makes no sense", "several of these are already on the market and no one wants them" product.

I don't know that this will be revolutionary. It may be the biggest dud ever. But I don't have to assume it will be either terrible or "next iPhone" either. The parts & pieces rumored to be offered give it a LOT of potential. Whether Apple can make it desirable to many is to be determined. I'll fully grant that this could bomb but those who think so should leave enough "what if" in their own thinking that it just might be great. The reality is probably something between the extremist thinking at both ends.

6+ years (at least as public knowledge) is a LONG time for Apple to be working on anything. I have to think whatever their Goggles/Glasses are will be more than 198X Jaguars, or Oculus, etc. Else, why is it taking so long and so much money?

 

[Jensend]

Why 5 devices? iPad better than iPhone at reading books, TV better than iPad at watching TV (ironic), iPhone better at making phone calls than Watch, and Watch better at telling time than HomePod mini.

I want the portability of a laptop while having a ton of space to open several apps at once and arrange them in space to suit whatever task I'm doing. Even if the portability just means I can sit in different rooms in my house. Current headsets aren't good enough for that use case, though.

I want to be able to select things with my eyes while keeping my hands on the keyboard.

I've played several games and creative apps that make use of how intuitive is to manipulate objects in 3D space with tracked controllers from a natural perspective.

Maybe those advantages of VR aren't useful to you or solve anything. That's fine! Other form factors aren't going anywhere, at least not any time soon.

 

[_Spinn_]

Not sure I like the idea of strapping a battery pack to my waist. This will be a niche product.

 

[Le0M]

Not sure I like the idea of strapping a battery pack to my waist. This will be a niche product.

.... unless the capabilities of the product are so great that we'll forget about what's commonly accepted and what's not. Moreover, this will be used mostly indoor. Apple Glasses, that's another story

 

[Marbles1]

Apple would be wise to ensure any new VR/AR headset _is_ a niche product. Like the highest end Apple Watch at launch. Or the old Xserves. Specific devices to fit a specific need.

Keep it a high end toy for wealthy and don't compromise on potential. It will be the best way to explore what's possible.

I think releasing something slightly cheaper that's not too different to existing headsets won't work.

 

[robbietop]

I want the portability of a laptop while having a ton of space to open several apps at once and arrange them in space to suit whatever task I'm doing. Even if the portability just means I can sit in different rooms in my house. Current headsets aren't good enough for that use case, though.

I want to be able to select things with my eyes while keeping my hands on the keyboard.

I've played several games and creative apps that make use of how intuitive is to manipulate objects in 3D space with tracked controllers from a natural perspective.

Maybe those advantages of VR aren't useful to you or solve anything. That's fine! Other form factors aren't going anywhere, at least not any time soon.

You want the portability of a laptop with the space of two monitors, on a headset the size of half of your skull?

 

[robbietop]

I appreciate everything you shared from your perspective.

What if everyone else has a different "5" and one of their 5s is these Goggles? Apple can sell this product to them. You seem happy with your 5. Maybe they can be happy with their different 5. I know very Apple people happy with an Android phone... and Windows people very happy with only an iPhone from Apple. People's mix of products is as diverse as people themselves.

The point of the motorcyclists was not that they should wear Goggles but that things on our heads are not automatically illegal when in motor vehicles. I neither expect motorcyclists nor car drivers to be wearing Goggles much unless they add something to the driving experience. I have no expectations of them putting them on or taking them off while driving. I'm personally interested in the Goggles as I imagine them, but I have no interest in wearing them while driving, biking, etc. In most of my imagination, I use them when stationary like I use a laptop/desktop. Pull them out when I need a screen, put them away when I don't. I simply envision this screen can be any size.

The rumor IS 2 hours. But that is a rumor... as is all of it. What if that 2 hour rumor is like the "new iPad will cost $999" rumor when that product launched?

All of the "people may not want to be filmed" worries is addressed the same way it is now. Either Goggles wearer feels this is not the place to be in them or rules of the place says "no goggles." People reacting to someone wearing Goggles should give them a good clue. Given the flak Apple takes over AirTags, I would expect some kind of very obvious sign when recording is "on" so that no one would be surprised that video is being shot.

To the social ridicule for goggles wearers, I can COMPLETELY see that scenario right with you and your friends. But I also see people wearing headphones- sometimes big & loudly colored ones- in public to no ridicule. There will likely be some ridicule at first- I bet that first cell phone owner carrying around that giant brick + battery case got plenty of ridicule too- and either the Goggles owners will learn to minimize the ridicule by using them in more acceptable settings or the world will come around with the uptake... IF there is uptake. I see people run into things because they are too engrossed in their phones. They get ridiculed. But that doesn't make them stop using their phones.

I'm more than 100% with you on wishing current Apple stuff would get fixes/bug squashing/etc. It frustrates me to no end that expensive Apple things I already have can be so buggy. However, the people that can get rid of the bugs aren't automatically the same people developing a new product. Hopefully both great product development and great efforts at making current tech work better are underway in parallel.

Apple is not Atari or FB or Microsoft, etc. Few thought iPod was a great idea for Apple even immediately after launch. It made little sense on first rumors of Apple Computer Inc. developing a phone. This is what it looks like before a launch. We see other company failures and want to offer them up as why Apple can't have a success. But we can look back at those successes- when the same kind of stuff was slung- and see revolutionary new products.

In foresight- we are guessing/imagining. In hindsight- we know/have clarity. From this perspective, anything is possible with this product potential. 5 years out looking back at the launch, the views may be very different. Look up that infamous iPod launch thread and see what the bulk of "us" around here collectively thought of that "priced way too high", "makes no sense", "several of these are already on the market and no one wants them" product.

I don't know that this will be revolutionary. It may be the biggest dud ever. But I don't have to assume it will be either terrible or "next iPhone" either. The parts & pieces rumored to be offered give it a LOT of potential. Whether Apple can make it desirable to many is to be determined. I'll fully grant that this could bomb but those who think so should leave enough "what if" in their own thinking that it just might be great. The reality is probably something between the extremist thinking at both ends.

6+ years (at least as public knowledge) is a LONG time for Apple to be working on anything. I have to think whatever their Goggles/Glasses are will be more than 198X Jaguars, or Oculus, etc. Else, why is it taking so long and so much money?

Okey dokey, go ahead and buy it!

We'll see what the sales are after the initial fun wears off.

 

[robbietop]

Fanatics will always say you are a heathen, ignoramous, tech illiterate, unbeliever if you don’t accept their funny ideas. VR Maxis who believe everything can be replaced and you can live in VR are no different from bitcoin maxis who believe they can replace every currency and bank in the world and other extremist groups who demand you give up diversity and pluralism in favor of their one true way. 😂😛

They're the same idiots who don't want to believe 88% of GenZ wants an iPhone......

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Okey dokey, go ahead and buy it!

We'll see what the sales are after the initial fun wears off.

If it would solely do just ONE thing I've imagined- give me a realistic, any-sized monitor that can be paired with a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad/mouse to give me an any-size screen laptop equivalent- I'd be completely happy with the purchase if I was the ONLY buyer. My only care about "sales" is that mass adoption brings mass software developer opportunists to expand possible uses. But...

I'd be perfectly happy with the single use case of any-size screen wherever I am.​

I recently paid $2K for a forever fixed-sized monitor that will sit in one spot for its entire life. The rumored $3K to have a realistic copy of it anywhere I am- as well as the flexility to expand it to any size as needed, duplicate it into +2 screens, etc doesn't seem so expensive to me.

$3K for blue ski goggles is nuts. $3K for a super-sized monitor or monitors wherever I am sounds like a great buy to me.

There's a LOT of people here who wish for a 17" MBpro revival. Why? They want more screen. That would be only 1 more inch. The Goggles concept seems to have the potential to deliver any size screen in a mobile computing product that can be used in ways like we use our laptops now. Instead of 2 hunks of tech bound by a hinge, the top part can be placed over our eyes and the bottom part can still be in our laps or on a desk or on a cramped-space tray table, etc. AR seems like it should be able to cut out the keyboard and our hands using it so we can see our laptop keyboard just like we do now. Above that, our laptop screen(s) of any size is shown to our eyes.

Will Apple Goggles absolutely deliver this as imagined? How could anyone outside of Apple know right now? But I can be more confident that 6+ years of development will not deliver only Oculus + with an Apple logo on it. It doesn't take 6 years to copy a technology like that and code a few 3D brick-splitting, etc. games.

If it rolls out as only Oculus +, I'll be first to join you and the others seeing this as dud to the extreme. But I suspect Apple will launch something better than FB did years ago. I'm hoping for any size screen(s) in my travel bag.

 

[UltimateSyn]

If it would solely do just ONE thing I've imagined- give me a realistic, any-sized monitor that can be paired with a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad/mouse to give me an any-size screen laptop equivalent- I'd be completely happy with the purchase if I was the ONLY buyer. My only care about "sales" is that mass adoption brings mass software developer opportunists to expand possible uses. But...

I'd be perfectly happy with the single use case of any-size screen wherever I am.​

I recently paid $2K for a forever fixed-sized monitor that will sit in one spot for its entire life. The rumored $3K to have a realistic copy of it anywhere I am- as well as the flexility to expand it to any size as needed, duplicate it into +2 screens, etc doesn't seem so expensive to me.

$3K for blue ski goggles is nuts. $3K for a super-sized monitor or monitors wherever I am sounds like a great buy to me.

There's a LOT of people here who wish for a 17" MBpro revival. Why? They want more screen. That would be only 1 more inch. The Goggles concept seems to have the potential to deliver any size screen in a mobile computing product that can be used in ways like we use our laptops now. Instead of 2 hunks of tech bound by a hinge, the top part can be placed over our eyes and the bottom part can still be in our laps or on a desk or on a cramped-space tray table, etc. AR seems like it should be able to cut out the keyboard and our hands using it so we can see our laptop keyboard just like we do now. Above that, our laptop screen(s) of any size is shown to our eyes.

Will Apple Goggles absolutely deliver this as imagined? How could anyone outside of Apple know right now? But I can be more confident that 6+ years of development will not deliver only Oculus + with an Apple logo on it. It doesn't take 6 years to copy a technology like that and code a few 3D brick-splitting, etc. games.

If it rolls out as only Oculus +, I'll be first to join you and the others seeing this as dud to the extreme. But I suspect Apple will launch something better than FB did years ago. I'm hoping for any size screen(s) in my travel bag.

The functionality you laid out would be awesome. I think, as is generally the case for Apple, the cross-product integration will be one of the killer features here.

 

[robbietop]

If it would solely do just ONE thing I've imagined- give me a realistic, any-sized monitor that can be paired with a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad/mouse to give me an any-size screen laptop equivalent- I'd be completely happy with the purchase if I was the ONLY buyer. My only care about "sales" is that mass adoption brings mass software developer opportunists to expand possible uses. But...

I'd be perfectly happy with the single use case of any-size screen wherever I am.​

I recently paid $2K for a forever fixed-sized monitor that will sit in one spot for its entire life. The rumored $3K to have a realistic copy of it anywhere I am- as well as the flexility to expand it to any size as needed, duplicate it into +2 screens, etc doesn't seem so expensive to me.

$3K for blue ski goggles is nuts. $3K for a super-sized monitor or monitors wherever I am sounds like a great buy to me.

There's a LOT of people here who wish for a 17" MBpro revival. Why? They want more screen. That would be only 1 more inch. The Goggles concept seems to have the potential to deliver any size screen in a mobile computing product that can be used in ways like we use our laptops now. Instead of 2 hunks of tech bound by a hinge, the top part can be placed over our eyes and the bottom part can still be in our laps or on a desk or on a cramped-space tray table, etc. AR seems like it should be able to cut out the keyboard and our hands using it so we can see our laptop keyboard just like we do now. Above that, our laptop screen(s) of any size is shown to our eyes.

Will Apple Goggles absolutely deliver this as imagined? How could anyone outside of Apple know right now? But I can be more confident that 6+ years of development will not deliver only Oculus + with an Apple logo on it. It doesn't take 6 years to copy a technology like that and code a few 3D brick-splitting, etc. games.

If it rolls out as only Oculus +, I'll be first to join you and the others seeing this as dud to the extreme. But I suspect Apple will launch something better than FB did years ago. I'm hoping for any size screen(s) in my travel bag.

This is one of the first use cases outside of gaming that intrigues me. Everyone else keeps mentioning niche jobs requiring advanced education, which is like 0.01% of the population.

The problem with that is coding every app to take advantage of it. What if Word bugs out one day and I can't get it to sit in front of other "windows" in this VR desktop? Also, there's always going to be weird environments that just don't work well. What if it works just fine sitting in your office, but you go to the Den or Kitchen or a place with less clean lines? I've seen these weird backgrounds in Zoom calls flip out over a new hair style, obviously that won't matter, but clean lines seem to be preferred for interposing an AR background. I remember back to iChat AV, with the first backgrounds for video calls.

Then there is the possibility of interruption and having to take the thing off to interact? I don't work alone, so I will be constantly interrupted. I am just giving you moments that I see that others may not think about until after they've bought it and now they are trying to have a conversation with a headset on that may be blocking eye contact with the other person. Maybe you work alone, and that will be an added benefit. But I am constantly having visitors at my desk, and am always having to get up and ask a quick question. There's a consistency and reliability in not having to take a helmet off.

Plus, what about travel? Yes, that means you can bring these extra Monitors, so to speak, with you, but battery life. What is it? Rumored 2 hours? Is that long enough?

Plus, with a VR monitor, super sized even, that's a lot of neck movements with added weight. Are you not thinking about the eventual head and neck aches from this? At my desk, I can level my monitor to always be at eye sight, but what you're implying is the circular command center from Mass Effect or Matrix. How will it know which window you are looking at all the time? And what happens as you think and your eyes wander around?

And HUGE QUESTION.....during the winter months, I am constantly itching at my eyes. Wouldn't it get hot or foggy in there at some point? What about eyes itching, eye fatigue from staring at a screen VERY close to your eyes? I suffer from bad vision caused by staring at computer screens all the time. Imagine how much more damage and how much faster it will occur at that distance?

I am just thinking this through to everything that annoys me about desk work and how this idea could feasibly solve it. Plus, sticky notes would be much easier to manage, and I could see desk work management made easier by it.

I'd be willing to buy it for this alone, indeed. Everything else sounds like a kids toy taken to the extreme.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

You will not be

This is one of the first use cases outside of gaming that intrigues me. Everyone else keeps mentioning niche jobs requiring advanced education, which is like 0.01% of the population. Crap.

The problem with that is coding every app to take advantage of it. What if Word bugs out one day and I can't get it to sit in front of other "windows" in this VR desktop? Also, there's always going to be weird environments that just don't work well. What if it works just fine sitting in your office, but you go to the Den or Kitchen or a place with less clean lines? I've seen these weird backgrounds in Zoom calls flip out over a new hair style, obviously that won't matter, but clean lines seem to be preferred for interposing an AR background. I remember back to iChat AV, with the first backgrounds for video calls.

Then there is the possibility of interruption and having to take the thing off to interact? I don't work alone, so I will be constantly interrupted. I am just giving you moments that I see that others may not think about until after they've bought it and now they are trying to have a conversation with a headset on that may be blocking eye contact with the other person. Maybe you work alone, and that will be an added benefit. But I am constantly having visitors at my desk, and am always having to get up and ask a quick question. There's a consistency and reliability in not having to take a helmet off.

Plus, what about travel? Yes, that means you can bring these extra Monitors, so to speak, with you, but battery life. What is it? Rumored 2 hours? Is that long enough?

Plus, with a VR monitor, super sized even, that's a lot of neck movements with added weight. Are you not thinking about the eventual head and neck aches from this? At my desk, I can level my monitor to always be at eye sight, but what you're implying is the circular command center from Mass Effect or Matrix. How will it know which window you are looking at all the time? And what happens as you think and your eyes wander around?

And HUGE QUESTION.....during the winter months, I am constantly itching at my eyes. Wouldn't it get hot or foggy in there at some point? What about eyes itching, eye fatigue from staring at a screen VERY close to your eyes? I suffer from bad vision caused by staring at computer screens all the time. Imagine how much more damage and how much faster it will occur at that distance?

I am just thinking this through to everything that annoys me about desk work and how this idea could feasibly solve it. Plus, sticky notes would be much easier to manage, and I could see desk work management made easier by it.

I'd be willing to buy it for this alone, indeed. Everything else sounds like a kids toy taken to the extreme.

I remember trying virtual monitors in a pair of black chunky glasses about 1996-7. Not VR, just monitors in glasses that always stay in front of your eyes even when you turn your head.

I did VR monitors (it is called Virtual Desktop) in Oculus and it was nauseating and isolating. Can’t see keyboard, can’t eat, have to keep removing it to do chores, uncomfortable on the head after a while. Whenever I have to remove it I have to put my glasses on. Then take glasses off to use it again. That’s not user friendly. Hardly anyone rational can tolerate that.

These VR Maxis aren’t realists. They are just completely nuts. They have no social life and probably don’t do a job that involves being with people.

There is the AR monitor ideas too. These are just as janky and don’t have the colour depth or clarity of a real monitor. There will always be light bleeding through from your environment. They will need their position constantly recalibrated because AR objects don’t pin or stay pinned to a location very well.

These are all extreme science fiction dreams and these devices should only be used as an accessory in small doses.

 

[robbietop]

You will not be


I remember trying virtual monitors in a pair of black chunky glasses about 1996-7. Not VR, just monitors in glasses that always stay in front of your eyes even when you turn your head.

I did VR monitors (it is called Virtual Desktop) in Oculus and it was nauseating and isolating. Can’t see keyboard, can’t eat, have to keep removing it to do chores, uncomfortable on the head after a while. Whenever I have to remove it I have to put my glasses on. Then take glasses off to use it again. That’s not user friendly. Hardly anyone rational can tolerate that.

These VR Maxis aren’t realists. They are just completely nuts. They have no social life and probably don’t do a job that involves being with people.

There is the AR monitor ideas too. These are just as janky and don’t have the colour depth or clarity of a real monitor. There will always be light bleeding through from your environment. They will need their position constantly recalibrated because AR objects don’t pin or stay pinned to a location very well.

These are all extreme science fiction dreams and these devices should only be used as an accessory in small doses.

Pretty much, especially if the room they are in doesn't have hard lines at 90 degree angels. God forbid they are in an all glass environment such as a glass skyscraper with all the light refracting

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

This is one of the first use cases outside of gaming that intrigues me. Everyone else keeps mentioning niche jobs requiring advanced education, which is like 0.01% of the population.

Right. And I don't believe these will solely be for those very niche uses. Modern Apple wants products that sell in large numbers and very profitably. There's much easier fish to fry for 'mo money' than to spend 6 years and whatever amount of money building something for tiny segments of the population... unless this is akin to a hypothetical billion dollar iPhone Ultra Mach III in 18K Gold/Platinum two tone with diamonds, where a very small niche of buyers can rain enough revenue & profit to justify the focus. I have zero expectation that the goal of this is those tiny niche segments.


All of the rest of your post, I'll fully acknowledge as possible because you, me and about everyone else here are speculating what ifs on a rumored product that might itself be a bunch of what if speculation heard enough times to win a MR article. Your "what ifs" are as good as anyone else's. If they prove to be the ones that arrive in reality, my own enthusiasm for how I imagine this product will crash down with the reality of it.

So I'll offer some counterpoint through my what if filter to some of what you offered to show another take of the same. I fully grant my takes could be completely wrong... but it's all speculation when imagining anything about rumors anyway. Counterpoint is not to prove you wrong- there is no proving anyone right or wrong on a pile of rumors and speculation- but to simply show another way of seeing such things. For every negative offered by anyone imagining anything, someone else can imagine a positive about the same. To quote a classic Beatles bit: "It's getting better all the time"... "it can't get no worse."

The problem with that is coding every app to take advantage of it.

Not sure why new coding is necessary. In reality, I can throw my desktop screen to my big screen TV (airplay), take my keyboard and mouse to it and pick up this note using that very different size, shape, resolution display. No new coding necessary. I can move this window over and into an iPad- a very different size, sharp, resolution and orientation screen and continue on it. If I'm doing a presentation for a client, maybe I plug a MB into their projector and now this great big screen on the wall or sometimes a stage is my monitor- a very different size, shape, resolution, type, etc screen.

To interact with apps in new ways like winks/blinks/arms flailing/etc, YES- new coding necessary. But in my vision of this concept, this is mostly a screen hanging on our face. Airplay to it like I can to my TV. With some woodworking skills, I could probably hang my iPad in front of my face at a distance that the screen is not blurred. That close, it would look relatively huge but there it would be. And if I use keyboard and mouse on that iPad screen, it will work with no new coding. That would look terrible as that is not the rumored 4K for each eye. But the point is that a screen hanging on our face could be just a "dumb" screen like the one on our desk or on our laps.

What if Word bugs out one day and I can't get it to sit in front of other "windows" in this VR desktop?

If you can buy the above- which you can fake now with Airplay- what do you do now if Word bugs out. Maybe you have to restart your Mac in the worse case? Maybe you have to restart the Goggles in worst case here. Just because the screen is mounted on our head shouldn't change the "bugged out" app remedies.

I get what you are saying if these require an entirely new UI involving eye gestures or something. But in my own vision of using them as previously described, this is simply hanging a monitor on my face... like an iPad or my TV or my desktop monitor. And all fixes of software issues get resolved the same way we would resolve them in reality now.

What if it works just fine sitting in your office, but you go to the Den or Kitchen or a place with less clean lines?

If VR, what's happening around you doesn't show at all. These control entirely what you are seeing. If AR, point is applicable. There are places where using a laptop doesn't work fine. For example, I just had a major flight for the holidays and there simply was not enough room in front of me to open the laptop and use it. Sometimes tech just doesn't work in places we might want to use it. What do we do now? Something else until we get to a place where we can.

I've seen these weird backgrounds in Zoom calls flip out over a new hair style, obviously that won't matter, but clean lines seem to be preferred for interposing an AR background. I remember back to iChat AV, with the first backgrounds for video calls.

I agree. Again then, board that flight with me. I'm in those tight quarters. The seat in front of me is too close to use a laptop. I have a tray table for a horizontal surface but I need more depth to sit a laptop on there and get to work. I wanted to work on that flight and should have booked a more spacious seat.

VR would eliminate the seat(s) in front of me. It would eliminate the whole plane. The sky through which I'm flying. The Earth below. Bluetooth keyboard would sit just fine on that tray table. The too-close seat in front of me would have my expansive desktop monitor simulated as if I'm at my office doing my thing. Hands would feel a keyboard. AR "seeing" the keyboard and my hands could superimpose them under my monitor (like a Pokeman or IKEA furniture), guy in front of me is now my desktop. I could get work done on a preferred screen size while actually still jammed into a relatively tiny amount of space.

Then there is the possibility of interruption and having to take the thing off to interact?

I work in an environment where people wear ear mufflers to focus on what they are doing or even headphones to listen to music while they do their work. When someone shows up, they take them off to have a chat. It doesn't seem to be an onerous chore.

With eyes obstructed by these eye headphones, how could that work? Apparently, there are cameras on this thing, when someone shows up, an alert pops to let you know someone is there, shows you who it is. You remove these and have a chat. It seems like it would be the same chore to me.

I don't work alone, so I will be constantly interrupted.

In team environments with lots of interactions, I don't see these being used much. In such settings the traditional screens seem much more applicable. These do not replace existing setups, just augment them... like a laptop augments a desktop for more mobile (full) computing. These certainly do seem like a tool for solo-focus... like going into an office, closing a door, putting phone on DND and having a very focused period to do nothing but get things done.

I am just giving you moments that I see that others may not think about until after they've bought it and now they are trying to have a conversation with a headset on that may be blocking eye contact with the other person.

I have zero perception these are on anyone's head full time. I envision these like a different kind of laptop. Pull it out to do some computing work and focus your eyes on the screen to get that work done. Stop looking at that screen to interact with others. I'm not sure I want to try to talk someone in the same room wearing this on their head. However, I also tend to not want to "disturb" someone who can't look up from a laptop screen or desktop screen while we are having a conversation either.

If they are wearing Goggles while having a conversation with me, we are probably doing FaceTime VR or something and thus both interacting that way. Else, I expect humans to stop looking at their screen whether on their desk, in their lap and/or strapped to their head to have an in-person conversation. If they don't, I opt to have the conversation another time. Obviously, whatever they are doing is too important to look away now.

Maybe you work alone, and that will be an added benefit. But I am constantly having visitors at my desk, and am always having to get up and ask a quick question. There's a consistency and reliability in not having to take a helmet off.

Then I would say Goggles as envisioned in this concept are not for you. Again, I imagine these as another kind of laptop... unhinged if you will... for times when one is not at their primary workspace. If they are at their primary, they are probably already equipped with the traditional computer + screen. So they keep working as they do now.

On the other hand, when they are away from that space, they may have a need for some computing too. Again, fly with me in that airplane. No room for the desktop. None of the people with which we interact are on there with us. Let's get some work done ourselves. No room for a laptop. Maybe VR creates the room.

Plus, what about travel? Yes, that means you can bring these extra Monitors, so to speak, with you, but battery life. What is it? Rumored 2 hours? Is that long enough?

2 hours would be a huge disappointment. But that's a rumor like first iPad will cost $999. Rumors can be very pessimistic and very optimistic. For my longest typical flights, I would need about 5-6 hours if I wanted to use these the whole time. If reality ends up at 2 hours, that's a big disappointment for this use case.

Plus, with a VR monitor, super sized even, that's a lot of neck movements with added weight. Are you not thinking about the eventual head and neck aches from this?

Unless you are envisioning a new UI that requires eye/head/arm movements as required, I don't see this either. Let's fake it to illustrate. Take your phone or tablet and snap a picture of your desktop as it is right now from where your eyes typically view that equip. That's a VR slice in time image of your screen, keyboard and mouse.

If you mount that phone or tablet stable- like your head is when using your existing desktop, it doesn't move with head movements. If you bring it as close to your face as possible without it blurring and you start moving your face around, it is holding in the same position no matter where you move your head. If your eyes couldn't see the movement in the peripheral and you didn't feel yourself moving, it would look the same even if you actually rotated your face 180 degrees.

Take 2: sit as you normally do now with screen in front of you. Now rotate your head/bod right 90 degrees. Your actual desktop doesn't move. It's now to the left of your view. You might see a bit of it far left in the peripheral vision. Rotate 90 more degrees. Now you are looking in the opposite direction. Your screen is completely behind you.

Virtualize the same in the Goggles. Turn right 90 degrees and the computer screen is now far left. Turn 90 more and it is behind you. Screen is not moving around to stay centered, nor are you having to regularly move your head around to chase a screen that seems to be shifting around on its own. It's as rigidly placed as your reality screen is on your actual desk.

Now, if you want to play 3D world games where the bad guys are all around you, you have to be whipping your head around to figure out where they are. But that's also virtual reality... presumably better than having to scroll the view on a flat gaming screen around to look in all directions. That's immersive game playing.

But I don't see using Goggle like a any-size screen for laptop-like work requiring any more head/eye movements than using a laptop... UNLESS maybe you choose to use 3 ultra-ultrawides side by side "in there" and you want some key information at the far left of screen 1 and the far right of screen 3. But you would control that and must have some reason for using a screen that wide.

At my desk, I can level my monitor to always be at eye sight, but what you're implying is the circular command center from Mass Effect or Matrix.

Nope. Exactly the same. Put whatever size monitor I need for the work I want to do exactly where I want it and "lock" it there. There is no circular command center unless I have some reason for wanting a massive circular screen from left periphery to right... like an Omnimax screen for example.

Instead, I could imagine Apple allowing us to put on goggles, take a snapshot of our favored setup in the real world, cut out the usable screen from that image and fill that space with a virtual screen. Done well, it might mostly fool us into thinking we are at your primary desk using our primary screen exactly as we do now.

Is that possible? Yes. For client video work, I often take a snapshot of some desktop (or even stock photography desktops), chop out the part of the screen where content would appear as a "hole" and then lay video the client would like to simulate showing on a desktop screen in that hole. There's little to doing that and it looking very real... like video was shot of a video running on that screen. This is not a big leap from that.

How will it know which window you are looking at all the time? And what happens as you think and your eyes wander around?

Again, I perceive you are adding a layer of imagination of some kind of new UI. If this is just a faux screen like the one on your desktop, it knows which window you are looking at because you've used a mouse to bring that window to the front so you can do whatever you are trying to do.

VR is trying to deliver reality. The reality of how we work with a screen now can be virtualized. I can toss my favored Mac screen contents to all kinds of other screens now. And on those other screens, I get to the right window the same way I do now. I would guess this would be the same.

And HUGE QUESTION.....during the winter months, I am constantly itching at my eyes. Wouldn't it get hot or foggy in there at some point? What about eyes itching, eye fatigue from staring at a screen VERY close to your eyes? I suffer from bad vision caused by staring at computer screens all the time. Imagine how much more damage and how much faster it will occur at that distance?

My #1 worry (too). Battery life is #2. #3 Can Apple actually deliver what I'm imagining with something in 202X?

This is a real concern. I just watched Avatar in 3D and that's 3 hours in a lowest-tech "headset" if you will. By the end, my eyes did feel "funny." Apple will have to address these particular concerns if they want to marginalize this issue.

If eyes struggle staring at lit pixels on a desktop or laptop screen for long periods, they will probably struggle staring at lit pixels in this thing. However such people deal with it now but continue to use computers is probably how they will deal with it in Goggles. For me, that means regular work breaks away from screens (so regular work breaks with Goggles off).

I'd be willing to buy it for this alone, indeed. Everything else sounds like a kids toy taken to the extreme.

Amen brother!

You have many valid, "what ifs" above and they could prove to be up to great faults in what actually shows up. I hope my counterpoint is received similarly. As yours could be what actually arrives, mine could too. Or maybe these will only be for slicing 3D bricks in half as an Apple-branded Oculus +. Nobody knows. It's all rumor and speculation right now. There may be no Goggles at all and this has something to do with the rumored Car.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

. Again then, board that flight with me. I'm in those tight quarters. The seat in front of me is too close to use a laptop. I have a tray table for a horizontal surface but I need more depth to sit a laptop on there and get to work. I wanted to work on that flight and should have booked a more spacious seat.

VR would eliminate the seat(s) in front of me. It would eliminate the whole plane. The sky through which I'm flying. The Earth below.

Someone has never had the courtesy to socialise with the stewards, ask them politely for a drink, socialise with fellow passengers and talk to them about their travels.

You sitting there on the plane in your VR will look like a lonely anti-social person and it is unlikely planes will fit every seat with VR. You’ll be a minority and you will be losing all the fun you could be having meeting and talking to people in real life and watching movies together and eating snacks together.

And if you knock over drinks and food on the plane because your head was covered in VR, have the manners to clean up the mess please.

Hands would feel a keyboard. AR "seeing" the keyboard and my hands could superimpose them under my monitor (like a Pokeman or IKEA furniture), guy in front of me is now my desktop. I could get work done on a preferred screen size while actually still jammed into a relatively tiny amount of space.

Lmao. Enjoy believing everything will be a stable perfect position, comfortable experience or bug free 😂😂😂

I work in an environment where people wear ear mufflers to focus on what they are doing

I understand how your colleagues must be feeling 😂😂😂

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I see plenty of people on planes with eyes sometimes masked, listening to headphones or buds. I see others enormously focused on watching something on their phone or tablets. When it's time to talk to an attendant, none of them seem to have trouble doing so. Headphones and sleep masks easily lift off. I expect the same with this.

If I want to socialize with anyone in my row, I don't break out ANY technology. That is sometimes what happens. Other times, people zone out into the tech, headphones, buds and someone could do the same with this. No change. It's already this way with existing tech.

If I'm drinking or eating on the plane, I'm not computing. My laptop or tablet is put away. When the food & drink is removed, I may resume with a laptop or tablet. No problems at all. I expect no difference when doing the same with this.

This is not Matrix implants. We are not permanently locked into VR when using this tool. Use it when we need a screen. Don't when we don't need a screen. We already do the same in all existing screen-based technologies now.

 

[Jensend]

How will it know which window you are looking at all the time? And what happens as you think and your eyes wander around?

What about eyes itching, eye fatigue from staring at a screen VERY close to your eyes? I suffer from bad vision caused by staring at computer screens all the time. Imagine how much more damage and how much faster it will occur at that distance?

These two comments show me that you have no idea how VR works. That’s fine, but please at least try a modern VR headset so you have some frame of reference.
As the reply below says, a VR headset doesn’t need to know where your eyes are looking to display virtual monitors, any more than actual monitors do. The virtual monitors are anchored to real space, not your head. (You technically can anchor virtual displays to your head, but that’s visually uncomfortable and nauseating.)
Also, the physical distance of the screens from your eyes is irrelevant for visual comfort, because the lenses in front of the screens make the focus distance of the screen one to two meters out, which is a further distance than most people use a physical monitor. Prototype headsets can adjust the focus distance on virtual object to match real world focus distances. Some current VR headsets have diopter adjustments so you can manually adjust the lens focus distance.
You are criticizing a strawman version of VR. I wouldn’t like that version of VR either. Some of your other concerns are legitimate, but will vary depending on personal circumstances. I won’t claim that trying VR will change your mind about it overall, but at least it should give you some context for these conversations.

Screen is not moving around to stay centered, nor are you having to regularly move your head around to chase a screen that seems to be shifting around on its own. It's as rigidly placed as your reality screen is on your actual desk.

This is a real concern. I just watched Avatar in 3D and that's 3 hours in a lowest-tech "headset" if you will. By the end, my eyes did feel "funny."

I think part of this is that the 3D is not from your natural perspective. And there are other issues. My local cinema uses a single projector system, which means it alternates showing images to each eye, and that causes me a mild level of discomfort.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I think part of this is that the 3D is not from your natural perspective. And there are other issues. My local cinema uses a single projector system, which means it alternates showing images to each eye, and that causes me a mild level of discomfort.

I completely agree. While I've somewhat narrowed in on this any-size screen as a laptop-like substitute in latest posts, another possible use I've shared in other posts is movie watching... relevantly IMAX screen wherever you are movie watching. The big difference I imagine with Goggles is this would be a GIGANTIC leap forward in tech shown to each eye than some 3D-simulating film in some plastic-rim glasses.

Feed each eye what looks like reality and maybe they perceive it. If so, maybe some of the eye strain and similar concerns will be much less than they could be if this was only Avatar glasses branded Apple.

Presumably, Apple wants to sell as many of these as possible. This will have to be the kind of thing they tackle well. Eye strain/pain/etc is not good PR on a new product mostly built for our eyes. I have to assume Apple will resolve such possibilities as good as they can.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

I see plenty of people on planes with eyes sometimes masked, listening to headphones or buds. I see others enormously focused on watching something on their phone or tablets. When it's time to talk to an attendant, none of them seem to have trouble doing so. Headphones and sleep masks easily lift off. I expect the same with this.

If I want to socialize with anyone in my row, I don't break out ANY technology. That is sometimes what happens. Other times, people zone out into the tech, headphones, buds and someone could do the same with this. No change. It's already this way with existing tech.

If I'm drinking or eating on the plane, I'm not computing. My laptop or tablet is put away. When the food & drink is removed, I may resume with a laptop or tablet. No problems at all. I expect no difference when doing the same with this.

You said in previous posts that you would be watching movies in VR on the plane. People snack while they watch movies and while they work. They will knock stuff over.

You don’t even try to think how your science fiction work in real life. Even when you are explained many times you continue with the same bad ideas again and again and again.

There are strict physical and digital limitations on how these devices can be used. You will not have the kind of freedom of movement and freedom of action that you believe in your science fiction imagination.

And on top of that you will have to deal with myriad bugs and calibration issues.

You told rob that so many of things will just work “without new coding”.

That’s crazy. It shows you don’t know anything about devices and drivers. We people who bought the new Studio Display waited 6 months for the USB ports and speakers to work properly. All these things are not as easy and simple as you are dreaming about.

Just go to all the different sub forums on this website and look at all the problems peoooe have with mature products. If you think VR and AR is going to be totally smooth sailing and can replace computers, televisions and other devices, then you are already living in a different reality.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I see lots of people watching movies on a plane. When it's time to eat, some do keep watching and others put their tech away and eat. Some keep headphones on and eat and some take those off too. If me, I take the Goggles off and eat or skip the snack if I'd rather stay focused on the movie. There is no big problem here.

You've used "science fiction" plenty of times and I keep asking you to point me to ONE example. You never do. I don't perceive anything about the current conversation is sci fi. It is all doable in most ways now with Apple hardware we already have. This is simply packaging it in a different way and introducing some new software to use it a little differently. If there is some big sci fi leap in this anywhere monitor concept, please identify it. You never do when I've asked many times.

In examples I've shared, I'll need no more freedom of movement or action as I do when working on a laptop now. You seem to be imagining things that I have NOT shared to complicate the simple concept of what could be a relatively dumb monitor strapped to a head. If I am virtually working at a laptop or desktop, I am not chopping 3D bricks flying at me or in a virtual boxing match. I'm simply looking at what looks like a virtual laptop or desktop screen and plunking away on an actual keyboard. No changes of movements. No additional space required.

Dealing with a myriad of bugs is nothing new with modern Apple equipment. I own no piece of any Apple tech that is bug free. I have no expectation that this will launch bug free.

Within this concept, the APPS that Rob reference- like WORD for example- could display on a dumb screen in the googles exactly as they do when airplayed to any other screen in a home... or on a projector. And the issue he referenced- how do Goggles know which Window I want to bring to the front- can be dealt with exactly as it is now: use the mouse or track pad to select the Window and it comes to the front. Of course, the Goggles will need new code in their OS but that is not what Rob was talking about.

I have plenty of problems with all of my existing Apple hardware. I 100% agree there are bugs in all of it. However, that doesn't mean that Apple can't roll out a "dumb monitor" scenario in these Goggles that is doomed to not working. Apple can't work on anything for 6 years and not have SOMETHING that works. I would imagine a simple virtual screen(s) application is one of the simpler tools to get working on this product. Apple is quite good at getting existing apps to display on all of the new screens they roll out. Airplaying makes existing apps work just as well on any other screens like TVs or projectors too made by others.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

I have plenty of problems with all of my existing Apple hardware. I 100% agree there are bugs in all of it. However, that doesn't mean that Apple can't roll out a "dumb monitor" scenario in these Goggles that is doomed to not working. Apple can't work on anything for 6 years and not have SOMETHING that works.

For these virtual or augmented monitors to work in a way that doesn’t irritate users their position has to pinned absolutely perfectly and they must have no juddering or shifting after that.

That’s a super hard thing to do. VR headsets and augmented reality cameras need to be recalibrated often.

Cars with environmental sensors still fail to detect objects correctly after 40 years of research.

You can test an AR device right now by going to Apple’s website, go to a product page and selected the AR option to look at the product. Place the AR product on your desk or even the floor and move around it.

You will see how hard it is. They will judder a little. Sometimes their scale will suddenly change. To keep the object stable you have to move unnaturally slow. The faster and more naturally you move around the quicker the calibration goes off and the object will move from its original location.

People do not stay still. They go to toilet, they get hungry, they do chores all over the place during the day.

It will be better with a headset with more sensors than a phone has, but don’t expect it not to have similar issues and quality.

So no, unlike your previous suggestions you will not be able to replace multiple devices with one device. No the only company stupid and crooked enough to suggest that is Meta/Facebook.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I 1000% understand that you think Apple can't launch a viable product along these lines. Your points are made to an extraordinary level. No one has rolled out a mass market version of this before, so that means it's impossible for Apple to do it too. I completely get your perspective here. 1000 more posts ripping into any other takes of this product doesn't make your points any clearer. I understand.

No one had a mass market MP3 player roaring until Apple rolled out iPod. No one had a touchscreen smart phone roaring until Apple rolled out iPhone. No one had a tablet roaring until Apple rolled out iPad. Apple has a history of taking on "no one has succeeded" problems and creating something that strikes the right chord. This may be another like those or it may be an incredible bomb. You don't know (but seem to think you do with incredible certainty) and I don't know (and am open to all opinions) and fully acknowledge the range of possible outcomes (even yours).

As easy for you to see and scream IMPOSSIBLE, I can just as easily imagine Apple can deliver something. 6 years and however much money strongly implies SOMETHING is coming. They don't like to launch something that is a complete, useless dud. I don't expect that to happen here.

As to people not staying still... AGAIN... Goggles are not implants. If I have to use the toilet or eat or do chores, I can put them away... just like I can step away from the desktop, or put the laptop/tablet/phone away. It's EASY to stop using technology and go to the bathroom. Goggles are not going to be permanently affixed, nor require tubes to flow urine to a toilet.

If it can deliver a stable 2D screen like my existing desktop, put macOS on that screen and- using a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad/mouse make it seem the same as using an actual screen now, that will be PLENTY enough for me. It would replace my laptop and possibly tablet too for mobile computing needs. I'd still have and use my traditional desktop at the office but it could easily replace a couple of other pieces of mobile technology for me. And that would be great. I'd like a 40" ultra-wide MB for when I'm on the road. That will NEVER come. But maybe Apple can fake it with these Goggles... and any size screen(s) anyone else would like for their computing needs.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

I 1000% understand that you think Apple can't launch a viable product along these lines. Your points are made to an extraordinary level. No one has rolled out a mass market version of this before, so that means it's impossible for Apple to do it too.

We are saying your vision is incorrect and unrealistic. Apple’s is probably not close to what you are imagining.

No one had a mass market MP3 player roaring until Apple rolled out iPod. No one had a touchscreen smart phone roaring until Apple rolled out iPhone. No one had a tablet roaring until Apple rolled out iPad. Apple has a history of taking on "no one has succeeded" problems and creating something that strikes the right chord.

As my last post said, Apple and all companies **** up big time. Couldn’t get the USB ports and speakers working on our brand new display for half a year. Monitors should be easy.

Jony Ive designed a laptop keyboard that resulted in angry users and Apple had to pay fines for it. A keyboard should be easy.

This may be another like those or it may be an incredible bomb.

It won’t be a bomb it just won’t be what you have been imagining. We are always going to have a multi device eco system and some of those devices will only be an accessory.

If it can deliver a stable 2D screen like my existing desktop, put macOS on that screen and- using a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad/mouse make it seem the same as using an actual screen now, that will be PLENTY enough for me. It would replace my laptop and possibly tablet too for mobile computing needs.

That’s not going to happen and when your science fiction dreams are broken you can look back at this discussion and you will understand everything we have been telling you. Your Mac isn’t going to be replaced with a headset.