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I love automation.

I hope that someday it reaches a Star Trek level where ALL humans are able to do only what we want to do, not what we have to.

What a wonderful world it would be where droids could take care of ALL the work...

Then again, us humans would FIND ways to frak that up too.
I want word domination, how could I possibly screw that up with an AI overlord? All I'd have to do is hack our robot gods and make myself supreme leader!
 
Keyboard on that macbook does not use screws. Butterfly keyboards are riveted into the top case. Fairly major oversight that makes me doubt veracity of report.

I cannot read the full article, but maybe they started with screws and switched to rivets when they could not make the robot more reliable?

Anyway, reading this:
"A robot that installed the keyboard using 88 small screws kept malfunctioning..."
I cannot help but think that using 88 of anything, screws or rivets, to fasten a laptop keyboard, that is idiotic design. No, I'm no laptop designer, but I have rummaged around in enough of laptops to know that this is excessive by an order of magnitude.
 
It's weird that they can't automate simple fastening of screws, yet components that go into iPhone are super complex tiny devices such as camera modules, accelerometers, SSDs, etc. Camera modules are also made out of tiny components yet I wonder if those are assembled by hand or by a machine.
 
Before thinking about all of those automation issues, think about this: how do human society manage a sustainable amount of population? I believe this is the root of all problems.
 
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improvements in automation will take over more and more of the menial tasks of production and robots will increasingly replace workers in many jobs Of the future. So much so that more and more people will be without work. A paradigm shift in capitalism will need to take place. A guaranteed basic income will hve to be given in order for society to function. Some Scandinavian countries are already experimenting with this. Even Spain has a bill that would try giving a guaranteed basic income to many of it’s citizens.
 
Interesting....Tim wants to help mankind, help the vulnerable etc. etc. but his company has been striving to come up with ways to reduce the number of workers. I am confident that the robots will regularly send food packages to the families of the workers who are terminated.

Nobody assumes that simple manual labour jobs will continue forever in all production lines. Last I looked robots are heavily used in other mass production factories like car manufacturing for example and the farmers don’t work the fields with horses anymore either.

I’m sure that change will come, it will just take more time.
 
Maybe it will change in the future, but there are still lots of assembly examples where you need a human touch. Think of mechanical watch assembly (Rolex) that's all done by hand.

But don’t people buy mechanical watches especially for that hand-made touch?
 
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Have you not been to supermarkets, drug stores, banks etc. recently? They are attempting to force us to use self-service scanning and cash out tills so they can fire millions of people. And for the most part we are bending and happily accommodating their wishes. Not even a discount on our purchases for doing so. We are blindly putting our neighbours on the unemployment line.
They have a floor robot at one location and several times it's almost got in my way or run into me. I won't move for the robot I keep walking, it has to move away from me. Won't say sorry or excuse me to any machine. We are the head and not the tail, they serve us.
 
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They have a floor robot at one location and several times it's almost got in my way or run into me. I won't move for the robot I keep walking, it has to move away from me. Won't say sorry or excuse me to any machine. We are the head and not the tail, they serve us.
Ha. What kind of establishment is this?
 
I love automation.

I hope that someday it reaches a Star Trek level where ALL humans are able to do only what we want to do, not what we have to.

What a wonderful world it would be where droids could take care of ALL the work...

Then again, us humans would FIND ways to frak that up too.
And then we could discover people's talents better if they can try a lot of different things without being bound to wages. That is one thing I wish the education system would do better is discovering people's talents.
 
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And then we could discover people's talents better if they can try a lot of different things without being bound to wages. That is one thing I wish the education system would do better is discovering people's talents.
Remember the saying..."Those who can't do, teach. And those who can't teach, teach gym. And those who can't teach gym, become guidance counsellors."
 
Remember the saying..."Those who can't do, teach. And those who can't teach, teach gym. And those who can't teach gym, become guidance counsellors."
Too funny, albeit glib.

We need better teachers.

The best teachers are the experts who have already "done" it. One of the great successes of our military in times of war is that we'd take the best combat vets, aces, etc, and put them in training positions.

Real world experience beats the classroom, every time.

This is something that cannot be automated. :)
 
Nope, not that easy, you need to ramp down the force before it reaches the torque cutoff/setting.
Human touch is just better for now, also, as the article explains, *the crews are tiny, we can feel if such a screw goes in in the right way, it's such a small force that I have a hard time believing a machine can do that anytime soon.

*Have you seen the screws in an iPhone, some of them are tiny, like a mm or less, the thread is so fine you can't distinguish it.

Well if the threading is *that* fine that it can't be distinguished, then the correct engineering design step is to make the screws harder than the material it is screwing into, and don't thread the holes at all, self-tapping so to speak. Robots back on line.
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Well if the threading is *that* fine that it can't be distinguished, then the correct engineering design step is to make the screws harder than the material it is screwing into, and don't thread the holes at all, self-tapping so to speak. Robots back on line.
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In Aluminium, then service it once or more, gone is the self tapping.
Have you ever tapped into aluminium...I did...not easy.
 
Too funny, albeit glib.

We need better teachers.

The best teachers are the experts who have already "done" it. One of the great successes of our military in times of war is that we'd take the best combat vets, aces, etc, and put them in training positions.

Real world experience beats the classroom, every time.

This is something that cannot be automated. :)

We absolutely need better teachers, much more money spent on education (STEM in particular), stricter educational guidelines. Sorry if the "freedom" to goof off or not care about your education and getting automatically advanced is not acceptable anymore. I understand the cultural and financial barriers to doing this, but going forward this will be crucial.
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In Aluminium, then service it once or more, gone is the self tapping.
Have you ever tapped into aluminium...I did...not easy.

Yes, I have (4 years in tool and die shop while in college). The only issue is software to stop depth and torque before receiving surface is warped.
 
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So... after we built these robots, do we then automate the building of these robots?
Yes, of course. The ultimate goal is automating the entire production of everything human need.
Though at that point, why need human at all? /s :rolleyes:
 
People who retire save up to do fun things? In what world do you live?

and humans aren’t rats.

there are plenty of ways to live a fulfilling life without being forced to do menial labor to eke out enough money to live. People can have hobbies. Not having to work is not going to drive people to suicide. That’s just moronic.
All I know is what the psychologists had to say about it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's at least something that should be taken into consideration.

Yeah, if you are actually able to retire then that means you have enough money saved up to do fun things. Otherwise you keep working. Everyone I know who has retired goes on vacations and cruises or goes to live in Florida at the beach all winter or builds their dream house in the mountains. I'm working towards that vacation home and travel too.
 
Yeah, if you are actually able to retire then that means you have enough money saved up to do fun things. Otherwise you keep working.

That's absurd. Most people who retire have enough money and pension/social security income to pay their household expenses, and that's about it. The vast majority of people barely have that. Americans in their 60s who retire have, on average, $172,000 saved. That has to last them the rest of their life (minus social security income or pensions, which, as you should already know, are not substantial).

If you retire in your 60s, experts recommend that you have 8-10x your annual income to maintain your lifestyle. So, unless you were making around $17,000 a year, retiring with $172,000 does not provide enough annualized income to enable you to even maintain your current lifestyle, let alone to do "fun things."
 
That's absurd. Most people who retire have enough money and pension/social security income to pay their household expenses, and that's about it. The vast majority of people barely have that. Americans in their 60s who retire have, on average, $172,000 saved. That has to last them the rest of their life (minus social security income or pensions, which, as you should already know, are not substantial).

If you retire in your 60s, experts recommend that you have 8-10x your annual income to maintain your lifestyle. So, unless you were making around $17,000 a year, retiring with $172,000 does not provide enough annualized income to enable you to even maintain your current lifestyle, let alone to do "fun things."
Well they should have either kept working or saved more money along the way? I'm not sure how to respond to this. Seems pretty straightforward. Most people retire because they want to do something more fun than working, otherwise they would just keep working.
 
Well they should have either kept working or saved more money along the way? I'm not sure how to respond to this. Seems pretty straightforward. Most people retire because they want to do something more fun than working, otherwise they would just keep working.

I guess there’s plenty reasons why they cannot continue to work forever. Besides the job market not favouring seniors in any way.
Many people don’t have much saved - again with plenty of reasons for that. Some saved wrong and some didn’t have enough to save much to begin with.

But mass suicides? Nope.
 
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