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Apple's attempt to use Chinese memory maker CXMT as leverage against Samsung Electronics and SK Hynix has backfired, with the two Korean chipmakers ending up with more pricing power rather than less, DigiTimes reports, citing South Korean and Chinese trade press.

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This year, Apple has explored CXMT and fellow Chinese chipmaker YMTC as potential DRAM suppliers, and had progressed to testing CXMT's chips as memory shortages pushed up the cost of almost all Apple devices. Apple hoped a credible Chinese alternative would pressure Samsung and SK Hynix into cutting their own prices, a tactic it has used before with OLED suppliers and contract manufacturers.

CXMT is barred from EUV lithography tools under U.S. export controls, so it has to rely on older DUV equipment that, per a cost analysis cited by TechTimes, requires around 30% more wafer starts to produce the same output. That extra cost means matching Samsung and SK Hynix's prices is CXMT's floor, not a discount it's able to offer, so when Apple pushed for a lower LPDDR5X quote, CXMT turned it down and held pricing at or above the Korean suppliers' own rates.

With that threat neutralized, Apple seemingly lost its main point of leverage. Digital Daily reports that Chinese device makers Huawei and Xiaomi have already locked up most of CXMT's output through long-term, high-price contracts, so the company doesn't need Apple's business badly enough to negotiate.

The result is the opposite of what Apple wanted; without a credible cheaper alternative to point to, Samsung and SK Hynix face less pressure to lower their own prices, at the same time they're shifting production toward high-bandwidth memory for AI servers and tightening the broader DRAM supply. The setback comes after Apple's CXMT plans drew pushback, with politicians demanding Apple commit to not buying Chinese memory chips at all.

Article Link: Apple's Bid to Use Chinese Chipmaker as Leverage Backfires
 
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Maybe Apple should use their hundreds of billions to build their own DRAM if they can’t get it. I’m sure the Trump administration would be in support of that especially in America.
I'm sure they would, except for the fact a certain member of the administration couldn't even build his name-sake mobile phone in the US (as promised). Not as easy as you think.
 
Maybe Apple should use their hundreds of billions to build their own DRAM if they can’t get it. I’m sure the Trump administration would be in support of that especially in America.
Apple doesn't have hundreds of billions, afaik, and it would be really stupid for Apple to do so. For one, there's already a heavy-weight DRAM maker in the US - Micron. For another, the whole reason Apple lets TSMC produce all its CPU chips is because it is smart enough to know that it's a very expensive, ongoing endeavor that doesn't make economic sense for them. They simply don't want that anchor around their legs. And if they don't want it for the heart of their devices, it makes even less sense to do it for a commodity like RAM.
 
I think this article mischaracterizes Apple's main reason for approaching Chinese RAM makers - it wasn't to put price pressure on Samsung and Hynix (and Micron), but to simply get enough memory! Another article elsewhere pointed out that those manufacturers have already run out of capacity until 2027!
 
Maybe Apple should rethink, if they still want to "make" eletronic devices.
SEGA doesn't do console business anymore, more than 2 decades...

Didn't Apple gets most of it's money from services?
 
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This is... not good news. Apple is already having memory issues, and an Apple that's backed into a corner, traditionally, lashes out. How, when it comes to a commodity like RAM, I'm not sure. But I don't think this is good.

Exactly, but Apple (and others) would rather spend financial resources on another season of Ted Lasso.
Ted Lasso is millions of dollars. Fabs are billions. If you have a billion dollars and spend a million, you still have a billion. That's how insignificant Ted Lasso is.
 
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Maybe Apple should use their hundreds of billions to build their own DRAM if they can’t get it. I’m sure the Trump administration would be in support of that especially in America.

No.

 
There are 3 main elements Apple is not in full control of their own fab chain:
Screens
Batteries
Memory chips

They may not fabricate the others (CPU is the first to come to mind), but all designs are done from Apple by Apple via 3rd parties. For a company their size, I wouldn't be surprised they to come up with something new, in the near future, to counter the memory shortage.
 
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Every time this comes up I feel I must mention the conversation between Steve Jobs and Barrack Obama. Jobs told Obama then what must be done. And it wasn't news even then.

We could have started working on this problem almost two decades ago. But nobody ever did anything. It's not just one administration to blame, it's a systemic problem.

That wasn't about RAM specifically, but we've still never gotten any kind of advanced silicon manufacturing happening in the US since Intel was king.

Maybe it's time they start teaching people how to write efficient programs again.

After all, 640K used to be enough for anyone.

Edit: here's a link to the best story I could find in a few minutes searching to give some background to what I'm talking about: https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staff-74
 
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Not expecting prices of devices to remain the same even if Apple is able to secure order from other memory chip manufacturers.
 
Bringing in domestic manufacturing isn't feasible due to costs and labor. Who in the US wants to work in a factory full time? Not the young people. Need rare earth minerals? While not needed in memory chips, you still need them if you want to make other technical components. Domestic technology production will never happen in the amounts needed to minimize shortages.
 
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I think this article mischaracterizes Apple's main reason for approaching Chinese RAM makers - it wasn't to put price pressure on Samsung and Hynix (and Micron), but to simply get enough memory! Another article elsewhere pointed out that those manufacturers have already run out of capacity until 2027!
Its always about price first. Apple can get everything they want if they spend the money, including buying memory from others. The only logical reason they don't is because they don't want ot spend the money necessary.

Every time this comes up I feel I must mention the conversation between Steve Jobs and Barrack Obama. Jobs told Obama then what must be done. And it wasn't news even then.

We could have started working on this problem almost two decades ago. But nobody ever did anything. It's not just one administration to blame, it's a systemic problem.

That wasn't about RAM specifically, but we've still never gotten any kind of advanced silicon manufacturing happening in the US since Intel was king.

Maybe it's time they start teaching people how to write efficient programs again.

After all, 640K used to be enough for anyone.
What was it that Jobs told Obama?
 
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