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Their philosophy is (and always will be) get a Mac if you want a real mouse. An identical mouse behavior will never come to iPad.

Never is a long time. I heard a lot of comments that external drive support would never come to an iPad too...
 
Voice Control was one of the "wow" moments in the Platform State-of-the-Union. Very impressive.
 
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One step closer to not needing a phone plus computer. The hardware is phone powerful enough now that for a regular user. One could just set an iPhone in a dock. Then get to work like a desktop with keyboard, mouse and 4K display. It's just a matter of getting the software there.

You can already do this on Android although it is purportedly a bit rough still. Samsung Dex is the most promising implementation. Although I believe it is limited to 2560x1440. Which is more an issue with display output limitations. I'd like to try it on my Pixel. Unfortunately Google didn't implement video output over USB C and I don't want to use some laggy wireless display option.
 
I can't blame Apple for this, because it is a Beta. But I am a blind user, who uses voice over daily, and iOS 13 is the worst that is has ever been. The App Store will not launch if VO is turned on.
Apple Music refuses to download onto my phone. I am just praying that Beta 2 drops soon. And really soon
esults in a crash of the app.
Legally blind user here, so I can at least use the devices satisfactorily with vision. VoiceOver on the Mac is completely screwed up in macOS Catalina. And I just tried opening the App Store with VoiceOver enabled, and it always results in a crash of the app.
 
esults in a crash of the app.
Legally blind user here, so I can at least use the devices satisfactorily with vision. VoiceOver on the Mac is completely screwed up in macOS Catalina. And I just tried opening the App Store with VoiceOver enabled, and it always results in a crash of the app.

Then return a Report to Apple or just wait for the finished product.
 
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How about some visual help. Many web pages are hard to read because of the small print and there's no way to increase the font size for every random page. Like pressing command-+ on the Mac.

It's way worse on the new phones, many pages render text behind the notch and in landscape mode it makes most of the screen unreadable. I'm generally trying to read in the little slice between the notch and the side of the phone (which becomes the bottom) and 80% of websites seem to fill that area with an ad banner rendering the whole page unreadable. Apple needs to have an accessibility option to render the whole page in a smaller rectangle skipping the notch area, and then allow a forced larger font size.

I don't even really have a disability, just getting a little bit older, and the iPhone is essentially useless to me as a web device at this point (typing this from my beloved MBP).
 
What is the motive for hiding ordinary features like mouse support under accessibility? Is it because of shame for backtracking, playing into the hearts of consumers that they really care about disabilities, weird rebranding, etc.? No other mouse supported OS does this.

The motive is that the mouse support in iOS 13 isn't really designed for normal mouse use. From the beta it looks like it's just there to mimic a finger on the screen, including things like scrolling. It's not a primary feature because the iPad is a primarily touch interface.
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Apple is kidding themselves if they think a large contingent of iPad users won’t be clamoring for a more refined and feature-complete implementation of mouse support. With Photoshop just around the corner, precise mouse pointer support will be a necessity.

If you actually watched the demo from last October you would have seen that photoshop on iPad will primarily be a Apple Pencil interface.
 
It's a shame that Apple doesn't provide a OLED-less iPad device at a discounted price point.
My friend is completely blind and has no use for an display screen. All he needs a voiceover and a touch digitizer with haptic feedback and he's set.
A lower cost solution for him would be ideal since he has a limited income because of his disability.
 
How about some visual help. Many web pages are hard to read because of the small print and there's no way to increase the font size for every random page. Like pressing command-+ on the Mac.

It's way worse on the new phones, many pages render text behind the notch and in landscape mode it makes most of the screen unreadable. I'm generally trying to read in the little slice between the notch and the side of the phone (which becomes the bottom) and 80% of websites seem to fill that area with an ad banner rendering the whole page unreadable. Apple needs to have an accessibility option to render the whole page in a smaller rectangle skipping the notch area, and then allow a forced larger font size.

I don't even really have a disability, just getting a little bit older, and the iPhone is essentially useless to me as a web device at this point (typing this from my beloved MBP).


Safari on iPad OS beta at least has a ‘Aa’ icon in the url field to change the size of text...
[doublepost=1559906982][/doublepost]I primarily mix 50% design and code websites using wordpress/php, and 50% illustration using procreate... I’ve installed the beta on my new ipad mini and the mouse functionality is so cool, so I can quickly highlight text etc... and then turn that off and illustrate with my pencil...

I wrecked my macbook trying to fix the damn keyboard - but don’t think I’ll need to be buying a new one... next machine will probably be an iPad pro when they upgrade them later this year hopefully! I’ve held back on installing ipad OS on my first generation ipad pro 12.9 just yet... but will do it with the public beta I think
 
If you actually watched the demo from last October you would have seen that photoshop on iPad will primarily be a Apple Pencil interface.

If you actually thought about it for a second Adobe had no choice but to use the Apple Pencil interface back in October since that was the only precise pointer interface available to it then.
 
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Nice additions. Glad this is an area of focus. Mouse support will be great for remoting into Windows machines.

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You're going to add it eventually and we all know it. Just paste in the code.

Yep, any day now they're going to add Flash support to iOS too. We all know it. /s


:rolleyes: Deep breaths.

I can't believe a closed, locked down OS became the most popular again.

I'd recheck your figures. They're 2nd in terms of popularity. By a nice margin.

So feel free to use the open mobile OS (the most popular version). Where you can modify code and have the system work exactly as you want.
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not some weird circle from hell,

Quite like the circle. Shows the finger footprint what's bring simulated. So you don't have to click at the point of a cursor like you do on a mouse driven interface like classic windows or macOS.
 
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I would say the new page zoom setting for safari is a big step forward in accessibility (assuming it works like I want it to - font size adjustment). The native font in safari is far too small and even with Reader mode that isn’t always available and it requires an extra click. I hope to get large fonts with ios13 will will greatly help me
 



Apple is introducing several accessibility-friendly features with iOS 13, iPadOS, and macOS Catalina, including Voice Control, Hover Text, and Mouse Pointer Support for iPhones and iPads.

After the company's WWDC keynote on Monday, TechCrunch's iOS accessibility expert Steven Aquino sat down with Apple's Sarah Herrlinger, director of Global Accessibility Policy & Initiatives, who offered further details on the thinking behind Apple's latest, and arguably greatest, accessibility push.

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Voice Control

Herrlinger first opened up about Apple's new Voice Control feature, which earned its own slide space during Craig Federighi's onstage presentation. Voice Control supports editing and menu navigation in both macOS Catalina and iOS 13, but it was the feature's advanced dictation capabilities that Herrlinger was most eager to highlight.
Herrlinger said Apple has worked hard to improve Voice Control's speech detection system, so that it can more adeptly parse users with different types of speech, such as those who stutter.

On iOS, the feature also utilizes attention awareness to know when a user with physical motor limitations is interacting with their device. Allaying privacy concerns, Apple says that none of the audio processed by Voice Control can be accessed by anyone else, including Apple, thanks to built-in anonymity and encryption.

Hover Text for macOS

Another feature Herrlinger was keen to demo was something called Hover Text on macOS. Described as a subset of the existing Zoom functionality, Hover Text enables the user to place the mouse pointer over a selection of text to get a bubble with the text enlarged.
According to Herrlinger, Apple could have brought iOS feature Dynamic Type to the Mac, but found Hover Text accomplished the same goal of enlarging text in a way that felt better suited to its desktop operating system.

Mouse Support for iPhone and iPad

iPadOS and iOS 13 introduces mouse support for the first time, allowing a USB mouse to be connected to an iPad and iPhone for the first time.

Mouse support is not a standard feature, but is instead available as an AssistiveTouch option, designed for users with physical motor delays who can't easily interact with the touchscreen itself. Apple says it works with both USB and Bluetooth mice, although the company doesn't yet have an official compatibility list. According to developer Steve Troughton-Smith, who first discovered the feature, it also works with the Apple Magic Trackpad.
According to Herrlinger, Apple recognizes that people without disabilities will use this feature. "For example, many people find value in closed captions," she said. "Our goal is to engineer for specific use cases so that we continue to bring the power of our devices to more people."


That being said, Herrlinger was quick to emphasize that mouse support should be seen in context. In other words, Apple hasn't introduced it to drastically alter the primary user input landscape of iOS, although that being said, it's not going to stop anyone outside its intended use case from plugging a mouse into their iPad Pro.

iOS 13, iPadOS, and macOS Catalina are only available to registered developers at this time, but later in the summer, Apple plans to make public betas available, giving public beta testers a chance to try the software before it sees a public launch in the fall.

Article Link: Apple's Big Push to Improve Accessibility in iOS 13, iPadOS, and macOS Catalina[/QUOTE

I'm curious about any updates to Switch Control. I have a neuromuscular disability and I use Switch Control on my iPad. It works pretty well, but it has some niggling issues with the media controls and more apps need to support the API.

I'm also curious to see if Voice Control will work with my distorted speech.
 
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