Yes, features, but also risk.
In case these chips turn out to be a disaster in the real world, the mainstream devices will be safe. They probably had to make that decision last year. If things go well, we might see the C2 in all phones next year.
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Apple's C1 Modem Debut Suggests iPhone 17 Air Will Lack mmWave
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In case these chips turn out to be a disaster in the real world, the mainstream devices will be safe. They probably had to make that decision last year. If things go well, we might see the C2 in all phones next year.
I just want a phone that uses the cellular connection instead of trying for several minutes to connect to a store’s wifi. I shouldn’t have to turn off wifi inside a Home Depot just to access a website.
So the iPhone 17 lineup is going to potentially look like this:
17e
17
17 air
17 pro
17 pro max
the 17 plus size would be gone.... The air will be marketed as the next great thing but with lesser specs than the pro line.... Seems like it may get a bit confusing for the general public.
17e
17
17 air
17 pro
17 pro max
the 17 plus size would be gone.... The air will be marketed as the next great thing but with lesser specs than the pro line.... Seems like it may get a bit confusing for the general public.
Totally worth the tradeoff for added battery life and price savings. In fact, I think 4g speed is sufficient for most people, and I don’t think most people were demanding faster speed than 4g could offer. I noticed after the switch to 5g that the battery life took a hit. Wasn’t worth the tradeoff IMO. 5g was like a solution (with its own drawbacks) to a problem that didn’t exist.
Agree about being confusing. Maybe the Air eventually replaces the “normal” phone? There’s no “MacBook” after all.
There is a cellular assist you can toggle on in settings, but I don’t know when it decides to kick in when turned on. We know what you’re talking about, so it seems like the software engineers who are behind that feature need to get to work to make it smarter (considering we are now in the age of ai and these devices are supposed to be intelligent 🙄).
its a phone, I am all for progress but what in the software of the phone needs anything close to even 4Gbps? I mean to me I notice no difference between 5G and LTE
Apple, no one will care the C1 doesn’t have mmWave. We care greatly you continue to improve your cellular radios, smash the Qcomm monopoly, improve performance and battery life with this chip, and lower prices.
So, give us fantastic connectivity with your C-class chips, and lower the costs for your users. They will buy, and buy a lot.
So, give us fantastic connectivity with your C-class chips, and lower the costs for your users. They will buy, and buy a lot.
This rumour seems a bit suspect, not because of the claim the iPhone 17 Air will have C1, but because it implies the smaller iPhone 17 would have Qualcomm. I would have expected the 17 Air and 17 to have the same cellular features.
Perhaps both the 17 and 17 Air will have C1?
Perhaps both the 17 and 17 Air will have C1?
All sounds good -- the last point, though, ain't happening
Bringing components in house saves money, which they use to pad margins, not lower prices
I use it everyday since it’s everywhere for me
It is more than just power consumption and connection speed the is a concern.
But sensitivity and stability (AKA link margin) are still a big unknown concern with iPhones using C1 modem. Dropping calls and inability to connect was one of the MAJOR issues with the original Intel modem. Improved power consumption does not mean much if your phone cannot reliably establish and maintain a connection.
Real world side by side testing of iPhones with Apple C1 vs iPhones with Qualcomm modems will provide the answer. Although for the skinny iPhone Air, antenna design and implementation, could also strongly influence the results.
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Apple should just stuff the antenna in the growing camera bulge all future iPhones are rumored to have.
Everything being called AI now is probably why there’s AI in the modem.
This is a configuration issue, and not any kind of a limitation of the device or software:
- An iPhone can be configured to ask you if you want to join unknown WiFi access points in your area. If your phone is doing this, you can (and should!) go to Settings and reconfigure it so that it no longer asks. It's just good security practice to only connect to public WiFi when you actually have a need to do so and when you're reasonably certain of the nature of the access point -- and even than, it's best to use a VPN when on any public access point, if at all possible.
- An iPhone is also configured by default to automatically join "known" networks. That is to say, even if you have turned off the "Ask to join..." setting, if you have previously connected to any given network, the device will no longer ask -- it'll just go right ahead and join that network. Of course, this can be especially annoying if that network inserts some form of a verification page or paywall page into the connection process, which many stores and coffee shops tend to favor. You can eliminate this behavior by telling your phone to either not automatically connect to that particular access point anymore, or by telling it to forget that access point entirely.
Bringing components in-house could eventually save money. There’s a huge cost from acquisitions and R&D, manufacturing, ongoing development, etc., before they’ll see any kind of return on it. And that’s only if they can hit certain production levels; longer runs, or higher volume.
Apple’s Cx costs will come way down once/if they push them into other products. These chips take years to go from drawing board to product.
Best modem in the business. And for the Americans, it includes mmWave.
Yeah, there’s a “Forget this network” option, no need to completely turn off WiFi.