I didn't mention anything about breaking laws. I'm speaking of morals and ethics. They are in bed with the CCP and the CCP does atrocious things. Things that would be illegal in other countries, but are perfectly fine in China. China has a laundry list of human rights violations. Just because something is legal in a country, doesn't make it okay. If you are equating an app being removed in Norway to the atrocities happening in China then I don't know what to tell you. Nobody cares what happened in Norway because Norway isn't constantly committing horrendous acts against their own people and Apple isn't funneling a trillion dollars into Norway's economy.
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Apple's Craig Federighi Discusses Expanded iCloud End-to-End Encryption
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I think Apple has been doing that for as long as iOS has been out, maybe even MacOS… 🍏
They have, but I feel like Apple has been delaying promised features a lot longer than they ever have before. Or maybe I'm just remembering things through Apple-colored glasses.
I wonder how many thousands and thousands of people will do this and not take responsibility for their password and security. It's has a potential to be a nightmare.
"A user activating this feature is taking on an additional responsibility. They're taking on responsibility for their data recovery, from setting up a Data Recovery Contact or securing a recovery key. All users might not be ready or willing to do that."
"A user activating this feature is taking on an additional responsibility. They're taking on responsibility for their data recovery, from setting up a Data Recovery Contact or securing a recovery key. All users might not be ready or willing to do that."
Well… I’m a Chinese guy, and although you mentioned a lot of stuff that trouble me, having Apple doing business in China is actually helping protect human rights here (while not at 100%). It’s true iCloud has separate Chinese servers, but many of my friends (probably everyone who cares about privacy) in China know how to set up an Apple ID account with its country/region outside mainland China (HK, Japan, US, UK…) and use that for their Apple devices, it works like a back door: download/upload speed might be slower but most privacy features are accessible, and all apps that PRC gov doesn’t like can then be found on the App Store including VPN, which is the basic tool for internet freedom here. iMessages is also available, it is among the very few legal messenger apps that are not continuously monitored by gov in China. Google left China saying they don’t like cooperating with PRC gov, and you may think they are brave guys, but that action also leaves millions of Android users in China who are much harder to enjoy free internet and privacy as there’s no Google to give them handy tools.
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Apple is lobbying against a bill aimed at stopping forced labor in China
Apple wants to water down key provisions of the bill, which would hold U.S. companies accountable for using Uighur forced labor, according to two congressional staffers.
www.washingtonpost.com
I don't know what you're trying to defend here. Nothing you said is a defense against what I said. You're basically saying yes ... you can have privacy features in China ... as long as you make iCloud accounts outside of China.
I think this is naive. Apple has enough money to hire lawyers to fight this all the way to the Supreme Court.
If that doesn't work, they have enough money to
If that doesn't work, they have enough money to run primary candidates against every member of Congress who opposes Advanced Data Protection.
Oh? You're aware of a flaw in AES? Perhaps something you saw on the Dark Web? Please, enlighten us.
I sure hope Apple brings built-in native Yubikey support to Macs and iPads, not just iPhones.
I’m not defending anything, I just wanna say… Apple really helps us a lot here. I feel bad about Uyghur issue you mentioned as well, but at least we don’t have be afraid of getting sentenced simply by joking on leaders here when holding an iPhone… you don’t really believe Huawei, Xiaomi, etc., can do better than Apple on this, or do you?Like this?
Apple is lobbying against a bill aimed at stopping forced labor in China
Apple wants to water down key provisions of the bill, which would hold U.S. companies accountable for using Uighur forced labor, according to two congressional staffers.
I don't know what you're trying to defend here. Nothing you said is a defense against what I said. You're basically saying yes ... you can have privacy features in China ... as long as you make iCloud accounts outside of China.
A bit crazy that you need to remove any older devices like an iPhone 7 from your iCloud account to be able to enable the feature at all. I still want those old devices associated with my account, I don’t plan on using them daily, but they are backups and don’t plan on using iCloud with them.
If anyone feel like expanding a tad, I don’t understand what’s making the iCloud.com usage not possible though, (which I have used at times when on a windows PC, it works quite well imo).
Couldn’t the browser just get the encrypted data and then validate/decrypt with a trusted device? Just like when using Apple Pay or auto-filling passwords it can get validation from a phone’s Face ID, double tap on a wore Apple Watch or also a keyboard’s Touch ID on M1/2s?
Definitely I’m simplifying and missing something key here.
Yeah, that doesn’t seem like a great answer. Then again Apples’s synchronization has been awful from the beginning. If they have such a hard time with that feature, maybe they had a hard time with end-to-end.
Well, if a "guy" asked for a backdoor, that will not be a "good guy."
That's some allegation from yourself there. Do you mind posting links?
This is why it's good to duplicate production in India. If the Chinese try any funny stuff, Apple will threaten to move to India; and vice-versa.
I think I likely will be "admonised" by the mods for being off topic, but I feel compelled to ask where is your proof.Like this?
Apple is lobbying against a bill aimed at stopping forced labor in China
Apple wants to water down key provisions of the bill, which would hold U.S. companies accountable for using Uighur forced labor, according to two congressional staffers.
I don't know what you're trying to defend here. Nothing you said is a defense against what I said. You're basically saying yes ... you can have privacy features in China ... as long as you make iCloud accounts outside of China.
You claimed Apple actively oppressed the Chinese people. Apple claims that they do not, and made press releases about their audits of their partners. You provide one single link about Apple lobbying about a legislation, thru an article from the West that consistently bash China whenever the opportunity arises. In the article, they posted a satellite image of the "camp." Do you know that such structures are very common in China? It could be anything. Did the reporter visit the site and confirmed that it is what it was claimed?
Maybe you should stop relying on such propaganda articles and start looking for different point of views.
I'm not from China, but I work with a lot of Chinese folks. What I read from articles from the West does not corresponds to what my Chinese colleagues feels. There's no reason why they will be lying.
I will hazzard a guess that you may not have visited any countries from the East? Maybe it would be good to understand the Eastern culture more for different perspectives.
Have not see the video yet but great to have end to end encryption.
I completely agree with you on what you said (after all it's fact). What is disappointing is how Apple is happy to virtue signal about social issues until it affects the money stuffing their pockets. Once that happens their spine vanishes, they go limp and become as malleable as putty.When its comes to encryption not every country Laws permits that from being used. When you do foreign travel for business or as just a visitor with personal electronics such as phones/tablets/computers you need to be aware of their rules regarding encryption. See the map in this article.
World map of encryption laws and policies | Global Partners Digital
Global Partners Digitalwww.gp-digital.org
Yes Apple is no different than all other businesses that need to obey their requirements in many countries. Take India for a example.
"Here at Apple, we believe privacy is a fundamental human right"... Well... is it then? If Apple truly believes this, they should strongly consider pulling out of China. China clearly doesn't share the same beliefs. They provide money though...
Unfortunately, being a public company, and being at the mercy of your shareholders, makes this a more complicated issue than it should be.
In the end, I believe morals are always over money.
This needs to be talked about more. I love my Apple products, but these things are an issue.
I'd love to see someone healthily debate your points.