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The walled garden should absolutely remain an option for those who choose to hang out there.

But if someone else wants to install DOSbox on the phone they paid $1500 for to relive some 90s gaming nostalgia, I really can't see how that hurts anybody.
Because it breaks it for us all, see my many posts on the subject. All of you who wish to side load should go elsewhere and realise you are wrong no matter what you say, think or complain about.
 
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There is no malware infestation on Android. Those that say that do not use Android.
Google not only curate's apps in the PlayStore but also as part of the Google infrastructure has "Play Protect" that scans all applications; including side loaded apps for malware.

Apple does not have a constant scanning of applications.

Android requires you enable downloading and installing from unknown sources. Funny enough, just like a Mac.

The floodgates can only open if you open them. Most people won't side load and those that do will own the problem.

It doesn't create a support nightmare. It's simple, if you want support you must not have side loaded apps. Done.

Who owns the device you or Apple? It's my device and if I want to load something on it I should be able.

Who would accept this from Dell, Apple, HP or other laptop or desktop PC maker. "You can only install what we let you. It's for your protection."

It's not for your protection. It's for Apple's protection of the revenue model.
 
Except nobody realizes that when the app developers realize they can sideload to save the percentage fee, they will pull it from the App Store and force us to sideload. Leaving the App Store as barren as the Mac App Store.
The Mac App Store is the prime example why Apple's claims of the benefits of the App Store to developers are greatly an exaggeration
They need to ditch the "curated" experience and improve discoverability if they really want that cut
 
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If those apps pull out of the App Store and people go with them, well, that's just the market at work. That's competition. That's how the App Store would get better, because Apple would be forced to work to retain their customers rather than having us all as a captive audience with no other choices.

For instance, as much as I don't care for Epic and their leadership, I hope the Epic Games Store on Windows has great success, because it will keep Valve hard at work making sure Steam stays vibrant and competitive.

As it stands, Apple has no incentive to do anything on the App Store but what's good for Apple. If they had to face real competition, if they had to work for all that money they make, think how much better it would be for everyone.

Competition for competition’s sake isn’t going to make the App Store better, it’s just going to cause fragmentation. Epic for example - there is nothing short of Apple giving them the ability to setup their own App Store, keep all the profits and maintain their own privacy rules, etc., that will make them happy. They see how much money Apple makes and they want it.

The issue shouldn’t be what is good/bad for Epic, Apple, Facebook or whoever. It needs to come down to what is good for the user. Having ten different app stores, with different rules to appease companies that want to squeeze every dollar (both literally and through personal information) that they can out of users isn’t what’s best.

Apple shouldn’t be allowed to screw over companies, but at the same time they are the platform owner and need to be allowed to create the rules of said platform. It’s like you said, if people don’t like it, they will leave Apple and get other phones and that is just the market at work.
 
Because it breaks it for us all, see my many posts on the subject. All of you who wish to side load should go elsewhere and realise you are wrong no matter what you say, think or complain about.
How does the ability to side load break anything for anyone that does not side load.

Your argument is specious at best.
 
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They totally care about us...even if they want to scan our photos on our device...and even if they don't patch known vulnerabilities used by rogue governments. TRUST ME BRO, totally legit, It may not seem like it, but Apple knows what's best for you. This has nothing to do with App Store commission or stealing code for features in future iOS versions.
 
Competition for competition’s sake isn’t going to make the App Store better, it’s just going to cause fragmentation. Epic for example - there is nothing short of Apple giving them the ability to setup their own App Store, keep all the profits and maintain their own privacy rules, etc., that will make them happy. They see how much money Apple makes and they want it.

The issue shouldn’t be what is good/bad for Epic, Apple, Facebook or whoever. It needs to come down to what is good for the user. Having ten different app stores, with different rules to appease companies that want to squeeze every dollar (both literally and through personal information) that they can out of users isn’t what’s best.

Apple shouldn’t be allowed to screw over companies, but at the same time they are the platform owner and need to be allowed to create the rules of said platform. It’s like you said, if people don’t like it, they will leave Apple and get other phones and that is just the market at work.
Why hasn't that happened to Android?

Why is the Play Store still considered the canonical store for the vast majority of Android users, given all the other stores (Samsung Galaxy, Amazon, etc.) that exist?

If Apple having competition on iOS would be bad, how come? Why can't they do what Google has done on Android?

Of course, some other company might come along one day and kick Google off the top of the hill, but if they do it'll be because Google failed, or this new company is just that awesome, or more likely some of both. Either way, the customers win, because that's how competition works.
 
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I don’t particularly want sideloading. However, if Apple continues to demand revenue that they aren’t entitled to, then so be it. I’d rather service fees not be artificially inflated by 42.8% simply because the customer is paying through the app rather than a browser or non-iOS device.
 
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They totally care about us...even if they want to scan our photos on our device...and even if they don't patch known vulnerabilities used by rogue governments. TRUST ME BRO, totally legit, It may not seem like it, but Apple knows what's best for you. This has nothing to do with App Store commission or stealing code for features in future iOS versions.
Nobody says “Bro” anymore, Dude. It’s called Brah.
Trust me, Brah.
 
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Craig is being too subtle.

Open floodgates is an understatement.

Side loading would bring a tsunami of malware.

If side loading were allowed, what app developer would ever offer product through the App Store when they could dodge apple’s commission by offering apps only via side loading.
 
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Less than 1% of android uses side load I imagine even less would on iOS so stop lying you just want that 30% cut

"The report shows that 0.09 percent of devices that only run Play apps have PHAs on them, while 0.61 percent of devices that also run apps from third-party locations have PHAs."

 
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I have an Android phone for years and have only ever sideloaded one app: Droidsound, a chip-music player.

Computing requires common sense. Why would you download a fake banking app, you don't respond to robo-calls and tell them your passwords and SSN.
 
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Craig is being too subtle.

Open floodgates is an understatement.

Side loading would bring a tsunami of malware.

If side loading were allowed, what app developer would ever offer product through the App Store when they could dodge apple’s commission by offering apps only via side loading.
If all that is true, how does Android still exist?

How does Windows? macOS? Linux? ChromeOS?

Why is iOS so fragile compared to, you know, literally every other operating system in existence?
 
Less than 1% of android uses side load I imagine even less would on iOS so stop lying you just want that 30% cut

"The report shows that 0.09 percent of devices that only run Play apps have PHAs on them, while 0.61 percent of devices that also run apps from third-party locations have PHAs."


And most times, it's for a site that sounds a lot like Pork Hub...
 
Why hasn't that happened to Android?

Why is the Play Store still considered the canonical store for the vast majority of Android users, given all the other stores (Samsung Galaxy, Amazon, etc.) that exist?

If Apple having competition on iOS would be bad, how come? Why can't they do what Google has done on Android?

Of course, some other company might come along one day and kick Google off the top of the hill, but if they do it'll be because Google failed, or this new company is just that awesome, or more likely some of both. Either way, the customers win, because that's how competition works.

Ok so I feel like we’ve come full circle now. The original issue was sideloading. Why can’t we do better than Google and have both?

Let people side load, let it be a system wide setting to disable sideloading, and also require all apps that are sideloaded to be in the App Store? (like Trusted Developers on Mac)

Doesn’t that solve the issue, besides some grudge against Apple being in charge of the iPhone? Which again I’m confident the majority of iPhone users want Apple to be in charge.
 
I don’t particularly want sideloading. However, if Apple continues to demand revenue that they aren’t entitled to, then so be it. I’d rather service fees not be artificially inflated by 42.8% simply because the customer is paying through the app rather than a browser or non-iOS device.
I’d rather pay $1.50 for a safe app than save 50¢ by buying outside the store.

Also, who’s to say the app vendor will reduce prices? If they don’t have to sell in the AppStore, they could sell exclusively via side loading at the same price and capture apple’s commission for themselves.
 
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Talking about the iPhone not the mac and I am sure that Apple will ban you if you attempt to side load on the iPhone.
Apple not only does not ban developers, but makes a ton of money from the $99/annum developer enrollment that allows them to sideload any app for which they have source code onto their iOS devices, including iPhones.

Apple even has example iPhone apps in their developer and WWDC portals for developers to sideload, test, and learn how to use new APIs.
 
Ok so I feel like we’ve come full circle now. The original issue was sideloading. Why can’t we do better than Google and have both?

Let people side load, let it be a system wide setting to disable sideloading, and also require all apps that are sideloaded to be in the App Store? (like Trusted Developers on Mac)

Doesn’t that solve the issue, besides some grudge against Apple being in charge of the iPhone? Which again I’m confident the majority of iPhone users want Apple to be in charge.
I just installed a little open source utility on my MBP yesterday that changes the way fonts are displayed on non-Retina external monitors. It's free, just something some guy made to ease a pain point he, I, and many others have come up against. It's not signed, because, as he put it, "I'm not going to pay Apple $100 a year to be able to give this away to people."

I don't blame him.
 
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