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I think we all know that Apple isn't the best when it comes to connectivity. Even with a Qualcomm modem, Android often has the better connection. So what's the point of Apple's own modem?

If I'm in a life-threatening situation, I just hope I have not to use my iPhone with own 5G modem…
Not every Qualcomm modem is the same. Typically, iPhones release just a few months before Qualcomm releases their new modems, which means Android phones released in the time between will have a newer modem. So, specifically, can you show where the exact modem performs better in one vs another?
 
if it's true what Qualcomm says, that it is impossible to develop a modem equal to theirs

This kind of statement (from Qualcomm) doesn’t really sit right with me. The point of industry standards is that everybody in the industry has an opportunity to develop competitive implementations. It is designed to prevent this kind of domination.

If it is actually impossible because QC have patented the best possible implementations, that would be a serious market failure and failure of the standards process. Either future standards would need to move to alternatives, or those patents would need to be licensed under FRAND terms.

There should be a competitive market for 5G modems. If both Apple and Intel can throw billions at it, hire loads of great engineers, but still not create a competitive solution due to IP constraints, then there needs to be government action. IP law is supposed to encourage innovation, not lock-in market dominance.
 
Didn't Qualcomm say that it should be impossible to develop a modem as good and efficient as their own because of all the patents they hold?

They're posturing and preparing their lawyers. As is common in the industry when Apple launches a modem there might be lawsuits and Apple might end up having to pay patent licensing fees if they lose or settle - f QC can prove their patents were used in the chip.

How performant, efficient or reliable gen1 will be remains to be seen, with or without violation someone elses patents (accidentally or purposely). Obnoxious rabid clickbaiting youtubers will find all kinds of issues that common users might never notice - or there could be real practical issues..
 
Could Apple approach the problem from an entirely different angle. Instead of one big modem, having several smaller modems, one for each antennae. Move to parallel connectively where each connection doesn't have to work as hard.
 
While an Apple 5G modem sounds wonderful. I sure do NOT want to be a guinea pig for any device with the first generation of this new Apple modem. I will stick with a Qualcomm modem for now.
But someone will have to be that guinea pig ;)
Did you feel the same when Apple released the first iPhone with their own chip? Or when Apple introduced the M1?
This modem will first go into a niche device, eg ipad with cellular, certainly not high-end iPhone
 
I’m gonna keep saying this until the cows come home, Gurman has no legitimate sources at Apple. If he did they would have been found and sacked by now. It’s possible the CEO could be leaking things for purposes of moving the stock price but that would make no sense for a story like this.
 
Intriguing, of course, but Qualcomm will not be sitting still either, further improving their modems.
You mean like Intel didn’t sit still while ARM technologies started to take over. Was intel blinded by Apple Silicon? Sarcastically of course, Intel DID sit still and is now paying the price while trying to catch up. Complacency is the boogieman of technology companies. Qualcomm is no different. Who’s to say they will continue to produce the best 5G modems? If you are a Qualcomm fan you had better hope they are not complacent in their market leadership like Intel was. Of course there’s aways the lesson of the Xerox C-suite being complacent in their dominance of the copy machine market and dismissed what was going on at their PARC. Steve Jobs and his minions swooped down and the rest is history.
 
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Because of that, I think the iPhone will be the last product to get Apple's modem. They are likely to put it in the iPads first (and maybe finally in the MacBooks), improving and iterating it there before it is used in the iPhones.
It’s rumored to come to the iPhone SE 4 first.
 
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Thanks to TSMC (and possibly Samsung) rolling out 2 nanometer processes, I can see Apple compressing 5G cellular, WiFi 7, Bluetooth 5.3 (or its successors), ultra wideband and NFC all onto single chip. This could allow for a MUCH smaller iPhone circuit board, which will allow Apple to either put in bigger rear camera sensors and/or larger battery pack for longer usable life per charge.
 
And, modem performance is not critical anymore for the average user… with my 13PM while on a LTE plan I got up to 100MBps download and now on a 5G plan I’m getting 500+ MBps downloads in areas with good coverage, so newer modems will obviously be faster - but for what? To bombard me with more ads, not anything useful. And the ads from a few years ago that you can download a 4K movie within less than 1 min? You can’t even watch 4K content on an iPhone…
So Apple designing their own will be good for battery life but they will unlikely catch up to Qualcomm performance in years, if ever, and that is not really needed…
Performance in the sense of peak bps may no longer be critical. But other elements are.

Power never goes away.

Long distance/weak signal support (relevant as soon as you leave the city and start wandering around the wilderness) is something you definitely appreciate when you no longer have it.

Another area where existing chip sets are very weak is in situations where you need to transition from one carrier to another (eg at political borders). This is frequently very slow (like minutes, rather than the instantaneous cell-to-cell transition we have grown to expect) and can be especially messy if you keep moving along the border and keep ping-ponging (badly!) between the two carriers. This is the sort of thing where Apple can make it work better, in a way that most people simply won't even realize; they'll just vaguely remember that their phone used to suck when they crossed borders and now it doesn't.
 
I think we all know that Apple isn't the best when it comes to connectivity. Even with a Qualcomm modem, Android often has the better connection. So what's the point of Apple's own modem?

If I'm in a life-threatening situation, I just hope I have not to use my iPhone with own 5G modem…
Uh, connectivity includes:

- Airpods (better than anyone else's bluetooth connectivity)
- Airdrop (clever usage of BT+WiFi specs to create something unlike anyone else)
- Airtags
- If you're in that life-threatening situation you might want to use iPhone's SATELLITE connectivity (which is, uh, right now still an iPhone exclusive?)

Just because you frequently repeat some idiotic meme claim from ten years ago doesn't make it true.
 
Considering the current Qualcomm modem is a chip that's at most 1/5th the size of an average adult's fingernail, I'm not sure this is the component that's really holding the iPhone back from looking (and "working") differently. 🤪

Well, who knows... maybe some visionary at Apple has some idea about newer and better modems... or at least modems that would lead to more reliable AirDrops. 😝

Apple is going the other way. Bigger and better. Here's an early prototype:

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You mean like Intel didn’t sit still while ARM technologies started to take over. Was intel blinded by Apple Silicon? Sarcastically of course, Intel DID sit still and is now paying the price while trying to catch up. Complacency is the boogieman of technology companies. Qualcomm is no different. Who’s to say they will continue to produce the best 5G modems? If you are a Qualcomm fan you had better hope they are not complacent in their market leadership like Intel was. Of course there’s aways the lesson of the Xerox C-suite being complacent in their dominance of the copy machine market and dismissed what was going on at their PARC. Steve Jobs and his minions swooped down and the rest is history.
Intel was **** FOR YEARS. The only reason they got so big was because Arm took forever to come along. I mean look at all of the issues intel chips are still having (and hence why their stock has been nosediving). Not to mention modems and CPUs are two very different things. QC has been continuing to improve and make better modems. How many stories do you see of some huge issue with QC modems? Apple bought all of those intel engineers and patents and still hasn't been able to make their own decent modem (hence why they just redid their contract with qualcomm for modems). I went through the **** show that was Intel modems in iPhones, I will wait 2-3 years to let apple get the bugs worked out (if their modem even actually makes it to market) before jumping onto one of their iPhones with their own modem inside.
 


Apple is investing billions of dollars into developing an in-house cellular modem, but the project is not expected to yield immediate improvements for users, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports.

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In last week's "Power On" newsletter, Gurman explained that, unlike the transition to Apple silicon, the company's first custom modem will not offer noticeable benefits for users. Individuals within Apple apparently "acknowledge that customers don't really care who makes the modem in their phone" and "it's hard to tell how big the benefits will be in the near term."

Instead, Apple is looking to play "the long game, hoping its modem will evolve into a more advanced component that could ultimately change the way an iPhone looks and works."



Apple has used modems designed by Qualcomm for over a decade, but moved to design its own following a legal battle over royalties and patents in 2018. Since then, it has faced issues with performance and overheating, and the component's debut has been pushed back until next year at the earliest. Its rollout is expected to take place on a gradual basis, starting with more niche devices and expanding across the lineup over the period of a few years.

Article Link: Apple's Custom 5G Modem Could 'Change the Way iPhone Looks and Works' in the Long Term
Maybe lower the cost of iPhone is a benefit.
 
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