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Every day, I take a million things for granted. Sight would definitely be one of them. I couldn't imagine using a phone or watch or computer without site, and thanks to this girl and Apple's hard work people without sight could use devices and even code. That just blows me away.
 
Hey that's pretty cool. I can imagine how impossible it would be currently to order a computer and try setting it up alone if you were blind. Siri should be able to do every step of it. And maybe cleaning up voiceover and integrating it better would help after that. Perhaps even her mere presence in the office will force the rest of them to consider the utility of how their features will function if blind, or, for the rest of us, for use in a car when you're unable to look at the display.

I wonder how long before the team sees the AT devices people use with their computers and decides they could really make nicer, slimmer, lighter, more manageable models. Some of those things are pretty clunky ugly contraptions people wouldn't want to be seen with in public.
 
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Bayer is not a tech company. It's a chemical company. Different sector. We're talking about major companies that make tech gadgets like smartphones & the like. No one thinks of Bayer software or considers the pros & cons of Bayer's user interface. But good on them for not discriminating against blind people and violating the ADA. Doesn't make them all that special though.

And you didn't answer my question, besides the life-changing suggestion that the iPhone home screen should have a 4x3 app grid option.

Kabeyun, Bayer (as example) is a multi-faceted company that makes more than aspirins. You really do need to educate yourself on what goes on including electrical, mechanical and other engineering jobs that lead towards various types of instruments. The latter IS* technical. As for Apple, applause applause they hired ONE person with a particular challenge.

So exactly what is life changing about Apple with respect to hiring exactly ONE person? You seem to be rather challenged in your own myopic view and efforts to be confrontational. For me, I merely respond out of kindness to you.
 
Okay dumb question but how does a blind person use an iPad? What's a typical use case? How would that person navigate past the lock screen before triggering Siri or running an app?
Click General > Accessibility
You will find an amazing amount of options. It's not always obvious what l impairment is being targeted for some of the options. Try switching some of the options on and put a bag over your head, or a blindfold. You'll find that you can do quite a lot that way.
Of course it's not quite as nice as an experience as using it unimpaired but if you don't have that option it is great.
 
As for looking stupid, candidly I really don't care if folks like yourself like to label me as such. It merely demonstrates the lack of capacity of folks to simply disagree or rather, not get offended because I don't feel all gushy and sugary over Apple's ONE opportunity given. If anything it is rather token of Apple

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Lack of capacity to disagree - have a think about that for a few minutes. It's a little ironic you think everyone else lacks capacity when you have spent half a day arguing a point.

I never thought for one minute you would care, I wonder if that's half the problem, do you have any intention of listening and trying to see how you may be wrong, or have you already decided you are right and everyone else is mistaken. I can't possibly be offended as I don't know the woman, and I'm not being gushy towards Apple - I feel Jordyn had overcome adversity and probably faced a lifetime of discrimination and people making prejudged opinions about her abilities, she is now working for a company [I got the impression] she really wanted to work for. I've known for many years how well Apple do with their adaptive tech, this wasn't news to me today, I simply posted to tell you I thought you were wrong. I know a lot of people who face discrimination daily and are prejudged because of their disability, it's a shame people can't consider everyone by their abilities instead.

It's been clearly stated what people think is the problem with your posts and you continue to state the same thing. You think Jordyn was hired as a token gesture, a publicity stunt. That throws cold water on her hard work and achievements. I can't understand how you don't get it. This could give people the impression that you are trolling. You don't care that people think that though of course, so why are you arguing the point?

You also think Apple have hired just one token blind woman, I bet a considerable number of Apple employees have disabilities. Lastly, the article was not published by Apple as far as I can see, they may well have put out a press release but we don't know that, from the original Mashabale article it looks like Jordyn is telling her own story. Is she just a self-promoting publicity junkie? Not that there's is anything wrong with Apple telling the world how they have employed someone with talent, but to think they gave her the job simply as a PR stunt is simply ignorant. It makes total sense to me that someone developing the adaptive tech uses it every day, that's a lot better than someone trying to think how it may be used and getting it wrong. Surely as someone who will need this tech in a few years you would rather Apple put real effort into ensuring it was the best it could be and not simply going for PR wins? If they were doing it for the publicity they could have hired Stevie Wonder as a tester - now THAT would be a PR stunt, I'd be with you all the way on that one.

I not sure why I'm trying to explain, many have tried and you will likely just rant on for half a page hoping people will agree with you. I believe you actually do care what people think, and you have just dug yourself a hole. If you didn't care you would just go and get on with your day instead of wasting it with more posts in an internet forum.
 
I hope everyone that is offended that I praised the woman and still find Apple has a long way to go to really engage those who are visually impaired find their "safe spaces" and provide us all with a list of acceptable words we may use so as to avoid conversation other than everyone being in lemming agreement and parade around fanboi jubilance.


If you can't accept the reaction you provoked, perhaps you need your own "safe space." A really confident self-expressive person would have ignored the reactions.

You seem more like a hyper-sensitive provocateur, than a calm reasoned person who genuinely wants to add a different perspective.
 
Apple has a tendency to jump on political bandwagons these days, sad to say.

That said, their approach to disability has always been outstanding. No-one else can touch them when it comes to accessibility. I have nothing but praise for them, and this blind girl's story is inspiring.
 
Lack of capacity to disagree - have a think about that for a few minutes. It's a little ironic you think everyone else lacks capacity when you have spent half a day arguing a point.

I never thought for one minute you would care, I wonder if that's half the problem, do you have any intention of listening and trying to see how you may be wrong, or have you already decided you are right and everyone else is mistaken. I can't possibly be offended as I don't know the woman, and I'm not being gushy towards Apple - I feel Jordyn had overcome adversity and probably faced a lifetime of discrimination and people making prejudged opinions about her abilities, she is now working for a company [I got the impression] she really wanted to work for. I've known for many years how well Apple do with their adaptive tech, this wasn't news to me today, I simply posted to tell you I thought you were wrong. I know a lot of people who face discrimination daily and are prejudged because of their disability, it's a shame people can't consider everyone by their abilities instead.

It's been clearly stated what people think is the problem with your posts and you continue to state the same thing. You think Jordyn was hired as a token gesture, a publicity stunt. That throws cold water on her hard work and achievements. I can't understand how you don't get it. This could give people the impression that you are trolling. You don't care that people think that though of course, so why are you arguing the point?

You also think Apple have hired just one token blind woman, I bet a considerable number of Apple employees have disabilities. Lastly, the article was not published by Apple as far as I can see, they may well have put out a press release but we don't know that, from the original Mashabale article it looks like Jordyn is telling her own story. Is she just a self-promoting publicity junkie? Not that there's is anything wrong with Apple telling the world how they have employed someone with talent, but to think they gave her the job simply as a PR stunt is simply ignorant. It makes total sense to me that someone developing the adaptive tech uses it every day, that's a lot better than someone trying to think how it may be used and getting it wrong. Surely as someone who will need this tech in a few years you would rather Apple put real effort into ensuring it was the best it could be and not simply going for PR wins? If they were doing it for the publicity they could have hired Stevie Wonder as a tester - now THAT would be a PR stunt, I'd be with you all the way on that one.

I not sure why I'm trying to explain, many have tried and you will likely just rant on for half a page hoping people will agree with you. I believe you actually do care what people think, and you have just dug yourself a hole. If you didn't care you would just go and get on with your day instead of wasting it with more posts in an internet forum.

Well alas, you provided a "half page" response here yourself. Hmmmm something perhaps to think about.
I'll just say as I have before I still stand by what I have said and no where in forums does being the majority equate with correct or right. However, this is subjective to some extent and folks are entitled to their opinion which I simply disagree with.
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If you can't accept the reaction you provoked, perhaps you need your own "safe space." A really confident self-expressive person would have ignored the reactions.

You seem more like a hyper-sensitive provocateur, than a calm reasoned person who genuinely wants to add a different perspective.
Glad you dictate the terms of a "really confident self-expressive person" would be and do. As for safe spaces, if I needed one I wouldn't have responded in kind to those that differ with their opinion from my own. So alas, you seem Gas to be a bit short here.
 
Kabeyun, Bayer (as example) is a multi-faceted company that makes more than aspirins. You really do need to educate yourself on what goes on including electrical, mechanical and other engineering jobs that lead towards various types of instruments. The latter IS* technical. As for Apple, applause applause they hired ONE person with a particular challenge.

So exactly what is life changing about Apple with respect to hiring exactly ONE person? You seem to be rather challenged in your own myopic view and efforts to be confrontational. For me, I merely respond out of kindness to you.
Bayer is a chemical company. They make chemicals. They do this through their pharmaceutical, crop science, and veterinary divisions. Neither I nor anyone else said they only make aspirin. You can't fabricate someone else's statement and then say he's wrong. (Well, you did, so I guess you can.) They're not a tech company any more than Hormel is thought of as a tech company because they use technology to make lots of bacon.

The point you, nearly alone, don't want to recognize is that Apple is a leader in enabling disabled accessibility among tech companies that make human interface devices.

You called this story an Apple PR puff piece. It isn't. They didn't solicit it, they didn't produce it, and it's consistent with their longstanding philosophy towards disabled users. Her story isn't unique either (no, phredd, Apple didn't hire just one visually impaired person so they could exploit her success, just as I'm sure Bayer has more than one on their staff too). Want adult? Stop lashing out or retreating into peripheral details, and just admit you may have been mistaken. It's okay. We'll still love you. Even if you don't quite know how to apply the words "myopic" or "quixotic." But thank you so much for your kindness. I feel better already.
 
She was my student at MSU. Quite a brilliant girl. It was my pleasure to teach her. She insipid me everyday.

EXCELLENT JOB! It is teachers like you that REALLY enhance Education into Wisdom, inspiration and enable others to do exactly the same.

I was fortunate enough to meet someone born blind who chose against the will of his parents to attend a school for "normal" kids as it where. Man this kid spent 4 days memorizing the entire school inside and out up to the school yard. Within the first 3hrs become THE MOST COOLEST kid in Grade 6, and I tell ya the stuff we learned was both fun, hilarious, and inspiring.

Learning out to tune out sounds for concentration - was nothing short of what was done in Man of Steel!
Learning rhythms and patterns of how people walk, the tone of their voice and what one chooses to say and it's meaning vs alternatives pays huge dividends even when reading.
Him picking on the bully that caused me lots of bruises by challenging him to skip 7 flights of stairs completely blind(folded) and have that bully knock himself out for 12 mins (head first into a wall). Was amaging. His ability to prove to the bully it was easy himself with no injuries first = priceless!

There was lots more and I'm sorry I forgotten his name, but the spirit remains.

I cannot WAIT to see new categories of applications:
Sound Mapping/Scaling
Teaching youth to explore the world around them through 'different eyes' and mindset,
GUI interfaces change for no light access - could be used in future space flight/navigation/space station(s),
Thinner braille liquid-gel keyboards over iPad touch-screen ... even an Apple funded installation/purchase online suitable specifically for this.
 
No it doesn't make me rethink it at all. Propping up a person like this is a good puff PR piece. The woman is terrific and Apple is not. Apple doesn't give a .... about folks unless they can use it for PR spin or possibly some $$$ and that wont change under the modern market scheme.

Oh please enlighten us with YOUR contributions to all the folks in this world who are handicapped. You say the woman is terrific, however you belittle her accomplishments in the very next sentence. This woman is blind from birth through no fault of her own. You, on the other hand, are blind by choice.
 
Bayer is a chemical company. They make chemicals. They do this through their pharmaceutical, crop science, and veterinary divisions. Neither I nor anyone else said they only make aspirin. You can't fabricate someone else's statement and then say he's wrong. (Well, you did, so I guess you can.) They're not a tech company any more than Hormel is thought of as a tech company because they use technology to make lots of bacon.

The point you, nearly alone, don't want to recognize is that Apple is a leader in enabling disabled accessibility among tech companies that make human interface devices.

You called this story an Apple PR puff piece. It isn't. They didn't solicit it, they didn't produce it, and it's consistent with their longstanding philosophy towards disabled users. Her story isn't unique either (no, phredd, Apple didn't hire just one visually impaired person so they could exploit her success, just as I'm sure Bayer has more than one on their staff too). Want adult? Stop lashing out or retreating into peripheral details, and just admit you may have been mistaken. It's okay. We'll still love you. Even if you don't quite know how to apply the words "myopic" or "quixotic." But thank you so much for your kindness. I feel better already.

I stated Bayer as example because it does have a technology section that is rather large. You chose to ignore that is your doing not mine. I don't care if I am alone as it still doesn't change anything about this puff piece. Your reference to "lashed out" and "retreating" sounds rather like words perhaps you heard in your existence. In this thread your conjecture if not transference seems more like a dolt offering that has no value. As for words like myopic and quixotic you probably had to look those words up and you still don't understand thus you blame me. One might consider your endeavor to be at best lackluster and at worst, pathetic. But it is okay. I don't love you and I don't particularly care if I am in the minority here but am darn glad that you empower me enough to help you look up new words that were certainly used correctly. Now think first before you make any other accusations that are false and just remember, words are your friends.
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Oh please enlighten us with YOUR contributions to all the folks in this world who are handicapped. You say the woman is terrific, however you belittle her accomplishments in the very next sentence. This woman is blind from birth through no fault of her own. You, on the other hand, are blind by choice.

Palm, if I gave any suggestion I am belittling her or her achievements then I was in error as no intention was made to do so. Please do point out the error and I will be happy to edit and not promote negativity towards the candidate/engineer.
 
One glaring issue with this story.

"she won a position as an engineer on Apple's accessibility design and quality team."

She didn't win a position, she earned the position. It's not like she entered into a contest. She worked hard throughout her internship and earned a full time position at Apple.

Perhaps she did "win" the position via competition with other entrants.

Which is what using that term instead of "earned" implies.

And it actually makes it even more impressive.
 
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Your reference to "lashed out" and "retreating" sounds rather like words perhaps you heard in your existence. In this thread your conjecture if not transference seems more like a dolt offering that has no value.
Of course "lashed" and "out" and "retreating" are words I've heard in my existence. A bizarre phrase, but sure. Every word I've written or said I've heard or read in my existence. I can't recall any words I've ever heard in my nonexistence. And "dolt" is not an adjective. We'll add that to the list alongside "myopic" and "quixotic."

And you still didn't answer my question. What would you have Apple do? Forgive us for thinking you have no answer.
 
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Of course "lashed" and "out" and "retreating" are words I've heard in my existence. A bizarre phrase, but sure. Every word I've written or said I've heard or read in my existence. I can't recall any words I've ever heard in my nonexistence. And "dolt" is not an adjective. We'll add that to the list alongside "myopic" and "quixotic."

And you still didn't answer my question. What would you have Apple do? Forgive us for thinking you have no answer.

Anyone here with a reasonable grasp of the language wouldn't have written your comments on word usage. You simply seem to be lacking and that is something you need to deal with. Passing blame to others due to a lesser vocabulary is a bit lacking but that is your m.o. If it makes you feel better, I did share my comment elsewhere and it seems not one person found issue with my usage of those words. I gather you simply are a bit challenged and that is okay as I am sure some still "love you."

As for what Apple should do, I have made mention more than once and that should be sufficient. Now go ahead take the last word and the rest of us will at least agree on the candidate/engineer's well earned praise.
 
Passing blame to others due to a lesser vocabulary...
You can say what you like but everything I've said (with the possible exception of the livingroom couch comment, which was metaphorical) has been accurate. On the other hand...

You accuse me of passing blame, but that's unsubstantiated. I haven't blamed anyone for anything. And certainly not due to a lesser vocabulary. Oh, and you wrote "sighted" instead of "cited" and misused "dullard." And "blame."

You wrote, "They have along [you mean "a long"] ways [you mean "way"] to go to do the obvious for the sight impaired" but that's unsubstantiated. In fact they've already implemented a lot of obvious accessibility features. Your belief that Apple could do more doesn't negate their work.

You wrote, "Apple doesn't give a .... about folks unless they can use it for PR spin or possibly some $$$" but that's unsubstantiated. You have absolutely no evidence of this accusation. Of course all companies want to show themselves in a favorable light. That doesn't mean they don't also care about this issue.

You wrote, "The number of people with sight issues has really been poorly addressed by Apple," but that's unsubstantiated. That doesn't even seem to be the consensus among the blind. Or the organizations that represent them.

Perhaps if you'd started with something like "Great for her, and good on Apple for all their recognition for their helping the disabled, but there's a lot more they could and should do and here are some examples..." you wouldn't have ticked off nearly everyone in this thread. Yes, yes, you don't care. Fine.
 
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