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One of my hobbies is stargazing. 🤓

Light pollution not only spoils the night sky for nerds like me, it does cause changes to the ecosystem. An owl used to fly to my place every night, sit on the corner of the roof, and let out a blood-curdling screech at exactly 12:36 AM – to the minute – for weeks on end. It seemed obvious he was marking the boundaries of his territory, for he would then fly off for about about two blocks to the east and make another call. I couldn't figure out how he was being so precise with his timing given that in Scotland at the height of Spring the daylight hours change by minutes every day. Then it dawned on me. The local street lights are set on timers for the same time every day. The owl simply started his territorial patrol when he saw the lights turn on.
It's so rare to see people in tech forums giving a damn about such things. 👍🏽
 
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I never made that claim. I said I can understand why a company like Apple wishes to maintain a working culture of face-to-face interaction. I didn’t say people can’t work remotely. You’re just making stuff up now.
Hey, maybe I misunderstood you. Fair enough.
 
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This reminds me of how the USA pays more attention to symptoms than to causes. A million people have died, many more are going to have long-term consequences of their infections, society has been gaslit and abused by authorities like never before... etc.

As a person who has had his human emotions and responses to traumatic events marginalized and pathologized for the sale of "mental health services" and chemicals, I'm wary of perfectly human responses to legitimately traumatizing events in other people being pathologized for political interest. There's perfectly legitimate cause for people to be reacting with trauma behaviors.

That doesn't mean that mental health services and drugs don't work, though. We used to institutionalize folks and these days, with proper medication, a lot of them can live fairly normal lives.
 
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I disagree. Going to the shop for coffee results in these large, disposable cups. I use a coffee mug at home. Why would I waste the money on Styrofoam cups at home? Same thing in the office. People bring in their own coffee mugs and reuse them.
If your workplace has people reusing cups/mugs more than using disposables, then that's great. I think this is more common when the coffee is made in the office, by the employees working there, rather than with coffee bought in shops. Carrying reusables around in public, when eating at restaurants and such, has been a thing people remark about when I and my companion have done it, because it's rare for them to see it. My last workplace had a commercial coffee shop inside the building and most people used the disposables (which I noticed time after time, especially when I started utilizing a reusable container myself).
 
This was before the days of the stereotypical hacker.

Their business was down and that's a terrifying thought if your tens of thousands of people can't do their jobs.

So they were concerned and I think that they felt that they needed to be doing something about it and so they were physically present as they felt that that was a necessary contribution to solving the problem.

I find that I get my best sleep from working out regularly. An hour of tennis or running 3-5 miles per day or both and I sleep really well. I have a fitness watch which tracks my sleep and sleep quality and exercise is one of the biggest factors. My son works out daily as well but sometimes he needs some help from melatonin for a good sleep. There are a lot of factors that can disturb sleep. I find that even barometric pressure is a factor - it kind of goes nuts at this time of the year which is part of the reason why we have all of these storms in the middle of the country.
Yeah, I've investigated extensively into sleep hygiene, neurology, etc. My situation is not typical. There's no treatment. I HAVE put out effort to get regular physical exercise, and it does not affect my sleep disorder (currently this is suffering because of the bureau of disability determination suddenly challenging my disability, when they've incidentally revealed to me to be based on entirely the wrong issue from the start).

I really don't want to go down this rabbit hole here, so please accept that I appreciate your suggestions, acknowledge what works for you, but also that they're not necessarily appropriate for my situation.
 
It's so rare to see people in tech forums giving a damn about such things. 👍🏽
My father worked for NASA for many years on interplanetary probes, so the stargazing thing has deep roots.

Where I live in Scotland you can still see the Milky Way at night with the unaided eye. I've seen comets, impressive meteor showers (including an impressive outburst of the Leonids in the early 2000's), occultations of planets, both solar and lunar eclipses, the aurora, and a bunch of wildlife I wouldn't normally see if it weren't for stargazing. It has a way of putting things in perspective. :)
 
thanks, i actually got one at meta. they were paying almost 40k more than apple for SWE and remote was just an extra benefit. although, ironically, i despise meta.
How do you reconcile working for a company you despise? I'm living in poverty and I don't think I could work for an entity that I realized is literally harming society. Not that I have anything they want to pay for.
 
Maybe I’m misremembering but weren’t there allegations of Sexual harassment and other bad management?
There were, at NUMEROUS game publishers/studios. At this point, I'm not sure which ones did NOT have that kind of thing going on.
 
Starbucks is for those who can’t get a real job. They should drive to the job site.
Piss off with the elitism on job types. It's as real a job as any other.

ANY JOB worth doing at all should pay a worker a LIVING WAGE to do it.
 
Because they were ****ing around while others were studying their ass off.
Here, again, is the job type snobbery and elitism. Knock it off. Every time you lick the elite boot to piss on those below you, you're just strengthening the grip they have on EVERYONE.
 
[...] A college degree today, is kind of like a high-school diploma in the past. It shows that you could show up, follow directions and learn. Some professions require specific skills, but, in the past, a degree in anything from a LAC could get you a good paying job that could turn into a good career.
I showed up, followed directions, and learned... for which I was punished and disposed of.

I was at the very tail end of "graduate high school, get a job, work your way up". It was a trick. A lie. It was a goalpost that was being moved under my feet, even as I tried to travel with it. Several types of employment I considered in my 20s went to the scrap heap of "not worth doing", and it was all "you should have a degree" just to get in the door. I WAS in the door, several times, in several places, but the game playing and greed just kept ratcheting up and moving those goalposts.

The jobs were going from specialist positions to "one person does 12 different job titles" generalists, being paid far less than any of the individuals who used to have one of those specialist jobs. Output quality went down, but nobody cared because quality no longer mattered. The death of expertise and craft has been expanding into every area because of the demand to devalue the work to squeeze more profit from the product. Hell, I was unknowingly part of that: I was once hired to be a design specialist, but I was actually the cheap alternative to another guy who had much more experience and training. I benefitted in that moment, but the screwing of skilled workers eventually caught up to me at the same damned place when they laid me off, eliminating my position, and then putting me in the call center, and asking me to "occasionally do a few design tasks" anyway.

It was abuse, and I was too naive to know to walk away before being driven out.

I was pushed toward "practical work" by family, and I hated it. But I obeyed. No matter what area I attempted to become proficient in, it was made worthless by the 800-pound gorillas of the market. My life was watching people move the goal posts beyond where I was able to be at any moment in time. I was sick of it before I was barely in the "professional" space 6 years.

What's left to aim toward? High paying jobs are now only for a very small percentage of human beings with the appropriate neurology, obsession, and luck. Even programmers aren't worth anything to corporations that have realized the "coder boom" resulted in a market flush with competent programmers they can hire and then dump at the end of a project, to boost quarterly profit numbers.

I was inculcated and then betrayed by the society I was brought up in. "A four year degree is the new high school diploma" is just moving of goal posts to extract more money from the masses to line the pockets of the wealthy few.

I'm not against higher education, but it did not work for me due to disabilities nobody acknowledged until it was too late. I may have started with some lower-middle class privilege, but every goddamned thing I worked hard at was never enough for anyone, and here I am in poverty, with callous jerks telling me I don't deserve to live and it's all my own fault. That's why I'm on this thread: an attack on workers pisses me off, even when that worker is privileged themselves.

People like me who fall through the cracks (or are outright pushed out by abusive systems) grow greater in number as the access to jobs becomes worse. This is not a sustainable civilization. People who want to work can't make a living, let alone "pursue happiness" or thrive. Eventually they realise there's no place for them and they give up. Then some jackass calls that "laziness", while also calling this now-former Apple guy (a literal rockstar in a specialist field that cannot [yet] be made irrelevant) "lazy". It's disgusting.
 
I’m not encouraging debt. Both my kids live almost debt free. I’m genuinely annoyed Uncle Sam wants to forgive student loans. Exactly what does that how and teach our future generation.
Maybe it could teach them that our leadership finally acknowledged how rigged the system is...

SO MANY people need to learn about their survivorship bias cognitive blocks.
 
I think we need to provide an alternative to it "before" making a drastic change.

The ones that will suffer are the ones that can least afford to suffer more. I'm not advocating to keep the status quo. However, the status quo was what we all agreed to, especially for working in large cities. You go to the office. If you can work from home, great. If that is apart of what your company offers. If not, and it was needed to get through COVID. The expectation is that we go back to work. Emptying 10% of workers going in and out of big city areas or major companies so they can work from home because they are scared to go outside or work closely with others isn't something we should be aspiring to do.

To save on fuel/transportation costs, sure. Save the environment, sure. If you have the ability to do so just as well as working in the office, sure. All of course depends on ones situation. But in mass? Maybe we need a proper plan that doesn't cause as much damage as COVID did in the first place? Maybe.

I didn't agree to anything. Every contract I signed was because I needed to work and that was the option available to me at the time. Everything was a take-it-or-leave-it scenario, with ALL of the power in the hands of the employer. There was no negotiation. Every time I pushed back on an employer, I was beaten down and disposed of.

MOST employment is this. If this isn't YOU, you're not the average; you have more agency, and that's great for you, but it's a type of privilege most people don't get to enjoy. This is not an attack. I do not harbor resentment toward people who are doing well (I harbor resentment toward those who take advantage of their privilege to punch downward on others in society, and I'm not sayin that's you).

I know people who live in large cities for no reason other than they were born into it and could not afford to buy their way out. I am in an urban environment because I was inculcated into the "work your way up to better" mindset by everyone around me by the time I bough the house in which I am now financially trapped. You can say that was "my choice", but then we'd have to have a serious discussion about why the term "informed consent" uses the word "informed", and why the term was brought about.

Back to the changes topic: COVID19 did major damage, much of which is still under-appreciated. Some of the damage comes from what we tried to do to ameliorate the pandemic's threats. I would hope that we can separate the outcomes of "emergency responses to a pandemic" from our expectations around "plans to change society for long term sustainability".
 
I wouldn't go as far as calling it a lie. If you had a job that you could work from home. That's great. But, for many people, working from home isn't really an option for full time work. I myself lack the space to make it work very well. And the constant home traffic (for lack of a better word) makes it even worse. So, should we all just switch to work from home even if it's not ideal? What happens to those offices that held hundreds or even thousands of people? Just walk away from them? And again, all the ancillary business that are supported by those offices. Schools, local services, food, transportation, and so on. Everything supported by all those people going to the office.

For those that will only work from home. And will not go to an office anymore. I do hope that your successful in that endeavor. I don't personally expect business will "adapt" to paying for all that office space, and not have it utilized. Maybe they start to pay less for those that work from home. And maybe they start to demand more from those that work from home. IDK, and not saying that will happen. But, if there is an adjustment made on one end (Employee), there will be adjustments made by the employer at some point too. Maybe business adapt more quickly and get on board with letting more people work from home. I just personally doubt it in the short term.

I am not a work-from-home person. I'm not even IN the work force (because of abusive employers). I'm only on this thread pushing back against anti-worker rhetoric. In the process of which, I have gotten into so many other points on here, and it probably makes it hard to follow the subtlety of what I feel about work-from-home.

I agree that not everyone has the type of job to work from home, and I also agree that sometimes working face-to-face can be beneficial. I'm not here to say everyone should always be remote in every job ever. I DO think that MOST office-based jobs can go mostly, if not entirely, WFH.

As for the office buildings question, look to how other buildings have historically been repurposed. It's a "but the jobs" panic button, not a societal collapse issue. It would probably make billions for real-estate companies. Local services that only exist to support office building populations will adapt to serve their new inhabitants, or not, and society will change as it always does. Or used to do.

We are stuck in a rut that serves a tiny minority of people at the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy, leaching all value from the majority and throwing them away like used toilet paper. The screams of "but the jobs" rhetoric is almost never about anything but the wealthy elites' desires to maintain the status quo, from which they benefit.
 
Certainly true for a business. But, maybe not so for cities worth of businesses. There isn't a city on earth that could adapt fast enough to not experience the blow to its economy for years to come.
The larger the structure, the slower the changes, sure. No argument. But there's a point at which the reluctance to change just becomes a terminal problem all of its own. We are at that point in so many ways.
 
Many of you have room mates, or live in environments that are not compatible with work from home. We cannot have a caste system built around your home environment. All of you deserve to be treated equally, and that means that you are all returning to office work whether you want it or not. Even those of you who have been told work from home would be permanent. It isn't. Hope you didn't move far way, because you will need to look for a new job, which will also not be work from home. Fair is fair.
We already have a caste system, and it is already built around people's wealth. Here's the problem with arbitrary equality:

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If apple wants to go full progressive they should create apartments around their campus and allow their workers to live there at affordable rents. Then those who are overpaid and can complain about having to come into the office can go exercise their options somewhere else and Apple can hire just as talented people who would be grateful not to take hours to commute to their job.
This isn't bad... unless we're talking about dense population buildings. I know tons of people who don't think there's anything wrong with them... until they get to live differently. So even with apartments for their employees, I think plenty of people are going to still want to choose a better living arrangement for themselves, especially if they have families.
 
Not as bad as Snow Leopard deleting all my data (which is why I never store anything but apps on my internal drive anymore). Not as bad as Catalina kernel panicing 4 times every day.
How did Snow Leopard delete all your data??
 
Huge loss for Apple? Maybe, maybe not… but it’s a huge gain for HomePod owners. Siri on the HomePod with HomeKit is an absolute train wreck on iOS 15.

Either the Apple employees don’t use the garbage they’ve been putting out or they don’t care so I’ll hold the director of this garbage responsible. Should’ve been fired.

With over $4K spent on HomePods alone, plus thousands more on HomeKit accessories, I was promised seamless voice control using Siri. It’s been nothing but an irritating and frustrating nightmare.

He can work from home checking the classifieds all day for all I care. Not a coincidence Siri got substantially worse on the HomePod with iOS 15 during WFH.

There's literally a full thread of people being corrected on these very same mistaken assumptions that you've now just repeated...
 
You're responding because that is what you do. The way you will respond when you are directed to return to the office. There are few rock stars. I doubt you are one of them. Punch the clock, or its the Uber Driver life for you.

I never claimed to be a rockstar of any kind.
 
That is not going to happen. Quite the reverse actually. Additionally, this is becoming a Republican/Democrat thing, where Republican owned companies are forbidding work from home. If you are in a blue state, you may have more time. Red States employees are probably not replying right now because they are at work.WFH is over, and fighting against it will screw you.

Oh yay, yet another thing that's being arbitrarily classified as a Republican vs Democrat thing...
 
I said:
Zoom/Teams are good enough for many, but not for always. With everybody working from home almost 100% of the time, creativity is often suffering. The question is what balance to strike. Also, the balance will not be the same for every role and for every person.

There's certainly room for difference...

I'm not sure where I made absolute statements in the above? As far as I can tell, my statements are not absolute at all.

I don't want to dive through the history of posts. I think I've mostly just been challenging the notion that creativity will always suffer. Maybe for some. Maybe not for others. But here above you said "often". Okay. Maybe. I will drop it and hope that, if I've misunderstood/mischaracterized your statements, that I haven't offended you.
 
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