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What kind of logic is that? Because other people live idolizing people, individuals being idolized should give up their privacy?

Show me the law that says simply because others are stupid enough to care what "celebrities" do with themselves, said celebrities now have no privacy. You are talking about what has sadly become the accepted way of thinking socially, and its just wrong to invade someones life because you think its justified because Joe Schmo has nothing better to do than worship someone.
Public figures (in the legal sense) do have reduced privacy protection under the law compared to someone who isn't a public figure.


Lethal
 
Your posts confused me. It seemed that you were arguing there was no right to know about his health. If you were arguing just the celebrity side then I apologize.

I think that if apple did know the whole time about his needing a transplant then yes, they have done wrong. But if steve/apple found out after going on leave then I think they don't have any (or shouldn't rather, I'm not clear on the law regarding this) reason to tell the public seeing as it should simply be covered under medical leave. It didnt interfere with the timeframe they set for him to be gone so I dont personally think they had any reason to let the media know.

That being said, I think its incredibly sad that there are laws in place to invade personal privacy simply because of money matters.\

Edit: to lethal: really? Thats disgusting.
 
The two matters are separate even though you through them under the umbrella of "personal health matters."

there is basically nothing separating them. people are crying about the government snooping, then on the other hand they want to hand over all their info to the very same people they are complaining about.
 
The SEC is blowing smoke here. They've been asleep at the wheel while the Madoff ran a massive ponzi scheme under their noses (despite being tipped off repeatedly over the years) and while the rating agencies they regulate helped create the global financial meltdown by certifying mortgage-backed securties as AAA investments.

Hey SEC, quit quibbling over the wording of disclosure statements and start doing something useful. These guys are out investigating parking violations while the bank is getting robbed.

Just curious. If it was a key member of Microsoft or Dell that was being investigated, would your position be the exact same?
 
there is basically nothing separating them. people are crying about the government snooping, then on the other hand they want to hand over all their info to the very same people they are complaining about.

Well yes, if you want to boil down SEC investigations into company policies and national health care down to rhetorical, be my guest. They are separate matters for anyone who doesn't like to play politics with the details however.
 
GO SEC!!! Oh, nice job keeping an eye on the markets in 2007-2008. :eek:

Freaking waste of my Federal Tax. These laws are as clear as the bottom of the Niagara River.

People that live in Glass Houses should not throw Rocks. :apple:
 
Edit: to lethal: really? Thats disgusting.
I don't see what disgusting about it. If the POTUS has a brain tumor that could be impairing his judgement that's news. If Joe Blow down the street has the same condition that's not news.

Do you have a cite for that?
Public Figures
This is so because where public figures are involved, the newsworthiness of the information will outweigh the right to privacy of the public figure – so long as the information is actually true and was not printed or aired with “actual malice.”
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However, if you are an average person with no public figure status, the media doesn’t have a legal right to go printing and airing your dirty laundry. Why? Because it is not particularly newsworthy, and thus, your right to privacy outweighs the newsworthiness of the information.


Lethal
 
I don't see what disgusting about it. If the POTUS has a brain tumor that could be impairing his judgement that's news. If Joe Blow down the street has the same condition that's not news.


Public Figures



Lethal

Of course that quote covers nothing of medical details. After all Jobs did authorize disclosure of the transplant. He did to of his own free will (and the fact that it would have gotten out anyway). I still see nothing there that obligates him to release anything medically related without his consent. At best, its a legal defense regarding someone else invading ones privacy. Its not akin to a judge ordering disclosure of information normally private.
 
Newsworthiness now has something to do with the amount of privacy the law gives you? :confused:
 
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I think that this is a bit silly. Medical issues are personal no matter who it is. Apple and Steve Jobs both revealed more than what was necessary in my opinion. I know that he is a CEO of a large publically traded company but that does not remove his right to his own privacy.
 
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I think that this is a bit silly. Medical issues are personal no matter who it is. Apple and Steve Jobs both revealed more than what was necessary in my opinion. I know that he is a CEO of a large publically traded company but that does not remove his right to his own privacy.

I feel that once he took medical leave, he shouldnt be required to disclose any more medical information, unless it would make the medical leave longer, which it didn't.
 
Of course that quote covers nothing of medical details. After all Jobs did authorize disclosure of the transplant. He did to of his own free will (and the fact that it would have gotten out anyway). I still see nothing there that obligates him to release anything medically related without his consent. At best, its a legal defense regarding someone else invading ones privacy. Its not akin to a judge ordering disclosure of information normally private.
I didn't say that it had anything to specifically do w/releasing medical details. I was just correcting NT1440's assumption that public figures have the same right to privacy as non-public figures.

In this situation Jobs is a victim of his own success. If Apple would've come out and said exactly what was going on the stock would have tanked. But they had to say something so the investigation is to whether or not Apple stepped over the line it was tiptoeing. If Jobs was just a 'normal' CEO Apple could've been up front w/everything w/o the fear of the stock tanking. But when your CEO is seen as a singular genius that saved the company from extinction and has played a lead role in changing the landscapes of consumer electronics and digital media distribution the game isn't the same.


Lethal
 
Sec

Maybe the SEC could concentrate on more pressing issues.

Like, not falling asleep at the wheel when one of the biggest financial depressions of all time is unravelling.

SEC, too busy and too lazy to do anything about it.
 
Maybe the SEC could concentrate on more pressing issues.

Like, not falling asleep at the wheel when one of the biggest financial depressions of all time is unravelling.

SEC, too busy and too lazy to do anything about it.

Think of it this way, which gets the SEC more attention:

1. Investigating a well known and well liked company

or

2. Doing their job the way they're supposed to
 
If Steve Jobs came to a press conference and said on record that Windows 7 is better than Snow Leopard, Apple's stock would tank.

Steve Jobs needs to say Snow Leopard pwns Windows 7 and that everyone should buy a Mac. Then continue to say "The problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have no taste and I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way.".
 
I didn't say that it had anything to specifically do w/releasing medical details. I was just correcting NT1440's assumption that public figures have the same right to privacy as non-public figures.

I asked for the cite. All I was doing was expanding on things from said cite. I was not trying to imply that you were claiming anything about disclosure of medical records - just pointing out the natural extension that someone could have leap-frogged onto.
 
Like it or not, Apple have a duty to inform their shareholders of significant events that may have an impact on the organization.

If a company doesn't, then it is SEC responsibility to investigate.
 
Like it or not, Apple have a duty to inform their shareholders of significant events that may have an impact on the organization.

If a company doesn't, then it is SEC responsibility to investigate.

And steve's ongoings during medical leave that had no impact upon his return time are significant because.....
 
And steve's ongoings during medical leave that had no impact upon his return time are significant because.....

How exactly does a liver transplant have no impact on his return time, or the future of the company? This isn't like getting a strep test, he's going to be on heavy drugs for the rest of his life to prevent the body from rejecting the transplant. Face it, Jobs IS Apple. He started it and built it back up from absolutely nothing. He is the sole reason for the companies success in the past eight years. While this may be more of a special case than any other CEO, it doesn't change the fact that anything happens to him DIRECTLY affects the company. Shareholders have a right to know about something so life threatening. And yes, it's ALL about money and the shareholders.
 
And steve's ongoings during medical leave that had no impact upon his return time are significant because.....

You don't know the internal significance.

He is the CEO of a billion dollar company. It is his duty to keep the shareholders in touch with his future. If he wanted privacy... he wouldn't be CEO of a PUBLIC company.
 
Newsworthiness now has something to do with the amount of privacy the law gives you? :confused:
Like I said, the POTUS having a condition that could impair his ability to do his job is newsworthy. Joe Blow having a condition that could impair his job at the 7/11 is not newsworthy. Joe Six Pack hiring illegal immigrants to take care of his lawn isn't really newsworthy. Someone high up at the INS hiring illegal immigrants to take care of his law is newsworthy.

Going beyond the scope of Jobs and the SEC, newsworthiness has a lot to do w/Free Speech and Freedom of the Press.


Lethal
 
Just curious. If it was a key member of Microsoft or Dell that was being investigated, would your position be the exact same?

Yes.

My point is that the SEC has let us all down terribly; that it bears a significant portion (not all, by any shot) of the responsibility for the global economic meltdown. I would annoy me greatly to see them focusing on splitting hairs on a minor disclosure issue no matter who the target is.

Not every criticism of an Apple detractor is due to fanboyism.

Hm. We call a person who defends Apple no matter what a fanboy... but what do we call people who think any comment that does not criticise Apple must have been made by a fanboy?
 
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