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I guess that's why they say people don't leave jobs, they leave their bosses.
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It may have something to do with the competition in those spaces... Their pro market has been jumping ship for years and people really like the idea of an Echo/Google thing.
They lost the pro market when they abandoned Final Cut Pro.
 
thats why god added an Ethernet port

Aaaah yeah, because people in 2017 want to run ethernet around their house to run a speaker. :rolleyes: If only some type of wireless protocol existed which allowed us to stream audio. You're talking about less than $5 in wifi components to support 802.11n/a and yet, Sonos couldn't be bothered and instead went with parts from 2002, throwing in a 802.11b/g wireless board.
 
Sonos is the most overrated speaker on the market in my opinion. Even worse than Bose.

I personally like the sound of Bose. They are expensive, but the quality of their sound is pleasing to me. I do not own any of their stand alone speakers, but their QC-35 headphones are a close second to the B&W PX from my personal experience. The rest are not even close.
 
IDK $350 for a speaker still seems like too much for me.

Siri works well enough, but as someone who has a smart system, the extent of my use is turning on or off lights and setting timers when I cook.

If I could program Siri to work with commands like hey computer instead of hey Siri, it would honestly be an easier sale.

$350 is a lot for a speaker of the Homepod's kind. Stereo audio through one enclosure is never truly high quality. And especially considering that I just recently built up a stereo setup with the Elac B6's, Onkyo A9010 amplifier, and an Echo Dot for only $450 you could say that the Homepod is even more of a ****** deal. The sound quality I get out of that setup is far far higher than what the Homepod could deliver in my estimation.
 
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Crazy that they delayed it. Missing the holiday season is going to really hurt it. This would have been a perfect “slightly expensively priced but too indulgent to buy for myself” type of gift.
Agreed, lots of people would be intrigued by a really good sounding "intelligent" speaker from Apple, many would have been gifts (I'm not saying I would have given any - too rich for my blood - but I can certainly see that happening). It's a shame they missed the window this year.

How hard is it to get a speaker to market? I mean, I know it’s going to have Apple’s level of quality and polish, but it’s not rocket science.
Devil's Advocate: circa 2005-2006, "how hard is it to get a phone to market, just source a reference design (flip phone or candybar, with a decent keyboard for T9 text entry) and slap an Apple logo on it". But clearly they didn't do that, rethought most of the bits from the ground up... perhaps they have done that here too. We'll see, once it's released.
 
"The Siri team was told that the HomePod was about music and quality sound, one of the people said. Yes, the speaker would be voice-activated but it wouldn't be positioned as a personal assistant."

Thank God. Because if it was about using Siri, or relying on it, it'd be a disaster. Siri is brain-dead - and getting worse with every new iOS release.
 
Could you explain this more? If this is the case, and it's a $350 device, I have a receiver that I can connect my phone via Bluetooth and play whatever I have available downloaded or streaming. What's the benefit to me?
How much did you spend on your receiver and speakers? If you didn't already have that, you might be Apple's ideal HomePod customer. HomePod is also designed for consumers already entrenched in Apple's ecosystem (Apple Music, Airplay, Apple TV, etc.) who do not already have an existing premium quality solution for music.
 
$350 is a lot for a speaker of the Homepod's kind. Stereo audio through one enclosure is never truly high quality. And especially considering that I just recently built up a stereo setup with the Elac B6's, Onkyo A9010 amplifier, and an Echo Dot for only $450 you could say that the Homepod is even more of a ****** deal. The sound quality I get out of that setup is far far higher than what the Homepod could deliver in my estimation.

This hits the nail on the head. At $350 I would rather buy an echo dot for ~$35 and then piece together something solely for audio that I connect the dot too. I am getting the smart home set up that I want, but much much better sound.
 
I love how these types of articles constantly overlook Sonos because they're actually the competition.

I recommend to anyone I talk to to get Sonos. High quality and an insane bang for you buck. Homepod from what we know so far is going to be a closed down system. Sound quality is still unknown, and is quite a bit more expensive than a Sonos.

Honestly, I have no idea why people are so on board with this speaker. You have no idea what it's like yet. And of course someone is going to say, "well neither do you". But I have the history of Apple speakers to go off of and all I'm seeing is HiFi 2.0
 
The report claims one of the prototypes stood three feet tall, roughly five times as tall as the current HomePod, and was equipped with dozens of speakers.

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How much did you spend on your receiver and speakers? If you didn't already have that, you might be Apple's ideal HomePod customer. HomePod is also designed for consumers already entrenched in Apple's ecosystem (Apple Music, Airplay, Apple TV, etc.) who do not already have an existing premium quality solution for music.

The main point of the person you quoted is that for $350 you can get insane sound quality, and then connect a cheap dot to it.
 
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I feel like linking together 2-3 UE booms would produce a better listening experience for less money and would be a lot more functional.
 
Please continue reading my comment. You point has been addressed.

I did. You seem to be saying adding adaptive beamforming, adaptive spectrum equalization, and a six element microphone array to control that, as well as handling Siri commands, to greatly enhance sound and listening experience, is not innovation. Thus my question. Does Sonos offer that level of innovation and technology.

I understand Sonos is a good sounding speaker. So are a lot of others that use basically an amplifier and speaker for creating sound.
 
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I'm still enjoying my original Apple HiFi speaker fed by an Apple Express. The soundstage of the HiFi is excellent. I'm looking forward to the new HomePod.
 
As an engineer, it always annoys me when the scenario in this article happens.

Engineer - Hey boss, wouldn't it be cool if we could build one of these...
Management - Meh, not sure I see the appeal I'll think about it.
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Management - Oh look! Our competitor is releasing one of those. We have to make one too, ASAP!

:(

So... basically you respect/trust the engineers and management of your competitors more than you trust your own...

I manage engineers and to be fair it’s not wrong to think that. Engineers are not trained to define product roadmap. Getting thing right once does not mean we should give them the job of product management.
 
I am not really convinced that ANY single desk speaker can deliver great sound quality if only because you can't get proper separation of channels with a single speaker no matter how fancy it is. The question then becomes is the sound good enough, and how much do you need to spend to get a speaker that sounds good enough (to me, less than $350)

Looking forward to the spin apples marketing team and Apple enthusiasts will produce to convince people a single speaker is better than anything that has come out before. Notch evangelists unite!
 
What a bogus article. I smell something foul!

The engineer's didn't laugh when they heard Amazon had launched Echo... The apple engineers where copying Sonos all along. That was their focus. Amazon just beat apple at their usual game - take a product out there, add and improvement and call it innovation. You know, the stuff where apple fans like to say, "apple just took their time to 'get it right'. Yeah, right....

Anyone looking back at this can see this.

Cue people here who know what was going on in the heads of Apple engineers just based on random gut feelings
 
"... employees are encouraged to follow their muse so long as their day jobs come first."

When I worked in engineering we would called this "under the table research" and would do this on Friday afternoons after a long lunch.
 
Totally agree. Mid-tier speakers with a premium price tag attached.
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Sorry, was agreeing with your statement and backing it up with examples. It's not at all about being first to market. It's about doing it best.

In Sonos's defense, it's not the speakers that make Sonos what it is. It's their amp (that you can connect any speaker you want - I even have a pair of Totem Mani-2's connected and they play quite nicely) and amp-less server (where you can connect your own DAC and amp - mine a Berkeley Alpha DAC, SimAudio monoblocks and Aerial Acoustics Model 9s) that can really make things rip. Sonos' software (until this last upgrade) used to be bar-none better than anything on the market. Sonos only introduced speakers after many asked for them.

Personally, apple is offering it's speaker and quietly thinking you will need to buy two and place them in stereo to get adequate sound quality. I would rather have speakers as intended - in stereo and front firing for proper imaging of the sound - not a round speaker to fill a room with noise.
 
Aaaah yeah, because people in 2017 want to run ethernet around their house to run a speaker. :rolleyes: If only some type of wireless protocol existed which allowed us to stream audio. You're talking about less than $5 in wifi components to support 802.11n/a and yet, Sonos couldn't be bothered and instead went with parts from 2002, throwing in a 802.11b/g wireless board.

my entire house is wired with cat 6. 32 drops total. also youre drastically overstating any negatives

A lot of people misunderstand exactly how — and how much — an 802.11b device slows down a newer network. Some people believe that having an 802.11b device on an 802.11g or 802.11n network will slow that network all the way down to 802.11b speeds for compatibility reasons.

This is false. Even if you have an 802.11b device on your Wi-Fi network, those newer 802.11g and n devices won’t slow all the way down to 802.11b speeds. It’s not as bad as some of the myths make it out to be.

if youre really worried about it, put all of your other devices on 5 ghz. youre neighbors old wifi devices can also slow you down if the channels over lap

alexa works, unlike siri and most want to listen to one of the 50 music services that work with it, not just apple music. oh and apple music is one of those 50 lol
 
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You're missing the point of the HomePod if you think it's about Siri.

Apple hardly talked about Siri when announcing the HomePod. They hardly mention it on HomePod webpage too and what it talked about is all related to music.

HomePod is all about music. That's the entire focus and purpose of this device. Those comparing it to the Amazon Echo and Google Home are missing the point entirely. It's like comparing a Honda Civic, Porsche 911, and Jeep Wrangler 4x4. They'll all get you from point A to point B, but one is best at offroad, while another is best on the track, and another best at fuel economy.

Really? Because I've already got something that's better at music by plugging my echo dot into my HiFi.

I think the entire focus and purpose of the device is (as is frequently the case with Apple) to sell an inferior version of something that has existed for quite a while already for 5x the cost.
 
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