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Still amazing to me that these kinds of excellent results are expected for the Mac and yet it was all but dismissed at the WWDC keynote. I still don't get why it couldn't have been a more balanced presentation.
 
Are you an investor? For certain, AAPL is not an investment for the feint of heart.

I will trot out my old rule-of-thumb, which has seemed to work out pretty well over the years: AAPL will rise if they beat consensus expectations by at least 10%, and drop if they do not. I believe consensus is $1.09 per share, so I will say the real goal is $1.20, or bust. A great deal will also depend on guidance for next quarter. The markets haven't seemed to figure out yet that Apple always guides very conservatively. This is the wild card.

Actually, my dad is heavily invested in Apple in his retirement account. He bought it WAY back, and has made so much, though of course not lately. He's occasionally talking about losing or gaining such-and-such amount, but says it's retirement money, and ups and downs right now won't matter in 20 years.

Anyway, I occasionally follow the stock for fun myself, and notice how much the market moves for "little things".
 
I think you meant to say that 99% of people buying a PC CAN'T. If you really think that more than 1% of the PC using population is technically capable of installing Linux, you are out of touch.

I think both of you are missing the forest for the trees.

People not installing Linux on their PC is neither a case of lacking technical know-how nor a desire to use something other than Windows. Obviously, it's a case of taking the path of least resistance. That's all there is to it. Windows PCs are the easiest way to go for most people. They're cheap. They're compatible with everyone else. They run pretty much any software out there. And most importantly... the people next door have one too. End of story.
 
I think both of you are missing the forest for the trees.

People not installing Linux on their PC is neither a case of lacking technical know-how nor a desire to use something other than Windows. Obviously, it's a case of taking the path of least resistance. That's all there is to it. Windows PCs are the easiest way to go for most people. They're cheap. They're compatible with everyone else. They run pretty much any software out there. And most importantly... the people next door have one too. End of story.

You're right. That's a better way of putting it.
 
I think both of you are missing the forest for the trees.

People not installing Linux on their PC is neither a case of lacking technical know-how nor a desire to use something other than Windows. Obviously, it's a case of taking the path of least resistance. That's all there is to it. Windows PCs are the easiest way to go for most people. They're cheap. They're compatible with everyone else. They run pretty much any software out there. And most importantly... the people next door have one too. End of story.

Not to mention, that most people have a friend or know someone who is a "PC/Windows expert" that can help them if they run into trouble.
 
Come on! You don't actually believe this, do you? When was the last time you installed linux?

It is very easy. Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc. all have OS loaders that make installation a breeze.

I am a computer technician. No, I don't work for Geek Squad, I work for myself, full time, and make a damned good business out of it. And I tried to install Linux about 6 months ago. Would not install the wireless card and I gave up after about 3 hours of trying. If I can't do it in 3 hours, then 99% of the world can't do it ever.

Most people just don't choose to install linux because they are happy with windows.

Most people don't know that Linux exists. Don't fool yourself about the status quo by thinking that your friends and associates are "typical".
 
Look, I agree with you on all points except 4, I don't think saying you can run games in XP is an OS X strength.

I was just responding to BRLAWYER who thinks that windows is dead and everyone in the world is an OS X fanboy like him. OS X is a great OS and I would like to see more acceptance but Apple has a long way to go before they overtake windows.

Thanks for the compliment, biker. Too bad you didn't repeat your "agreement" on such points when answering to me...you would've spared us from sending these posts in reply.

And yes, Windows IS dead; it's just a matter to time to clear up the debris and put the coffin in its right place. I myself have switched more than 4 people already and they are ALL happy with their Macs...there is no turning back, unless you are one of those gamers or bragging haxors spending $5,000 for an Alienware...nobody else cares about it.

So please check back later after hearing Apple's conference call later today...you're gonna see facts instead of PC-fanboyism trying to prove that PCs sell at better growth rates than Macs.
 
Will I be able to see the webcast later today, after the 5:00 EST webcast? In other words will it be available for viewing after today?

Don
 
I am a computer technician. No, I don't work for Geek Squad, I work for myself, full time, and make a damned good business out of it. And I tried to install Linux about 6 months ago. Would not install the wireless card and I gave up after about 3 hours of trying. If I can't do it in 3 hours, then 99% of the world can't do it ever.



Most people don't know that Linux exists. Don't fool yourself about the status quo by thinking that your friends and associates are "typical".

Absolutely correct. Apart from geek circles and academic or scientific places, Linux is all but unknown, notwithstanding the fact that it's better than Windows for most things.

For 99% of the world, it's still a complex piece of crap to install, support and find high-profile software...you get lost with how many "distros" are out there, or which one has the best driver support...all in all, it's at best a hobby for the more technically-inclined.
 
And yes, Windows IS dead; it's just a matter to time to clear up the debris and put the coffin in its right place.

Windows is far from dead. Do you really believe that businesses are moving away from it? They have so much invested from the computers, support people, custom apps etc. What about users? Businesses will hardly try and re-train all their users. As much as I'd like to attend the funeral, reports of its death are highly exaggerated.
 
And yes, Windows IS dead; it's just a matter to time to clear up the debris and put the coffin in its right place. I myself have switched more than 4 people already and they are ALL happy with their Macs...there is no turning back, unless you are one of those gamers or bragging haxors spending $5,000 for an Alienware...nobody else cares about it.

Congratulations. In the time you switched 4 people MS sold about 270 million Windows equipped PCs.

You're not really a lawyer, are you?
 
Windows is far from dead. Do you really believe that businesses are moving away from it? They have so much invested from the computers, support people, custom apps etc. What about users? Businesses will hardly try and re-train all their users. As much as I'd like to attend the funeral, reports of its death are highly exaggerated.

Speaking in such absolute terms, sure. All of these discussion tend to focus too much on unanswerable or fruitless questions about whether Microsoft or Windows is still relevant, or whether Apple is just ahead or just behind Acer in market share. None of this really matters. The take-away is that each gain for the Mac is taken straight out of Microsoft's flesh. We've seen Microsoft's market share drop by around 5%. They still have a commanding share, but that 5% loss, with the prospect of more slippage to come, has to hurt.
 
Speaking in such absolute terms, sure. All of these discussion tend to focus too much on unanswerable or fruitless questions about whether Microsoft or Windows is still relevant, or whether Apple is just ahead or just behind Acer in market share. None of this really matters. The take-away is that each gain for the Mac is taken straight out of Microsoft's flesh. We've seen Microsoft's market share drop by around 5%. They still have a commanding share, but that 5% loss, with the prospect of more slippage to come, has to hurt.

While I understand what you are saying and I agree somewhat, we have to keep in mind that Microsoft is a software company and Apple is a hardware company.

I know this distinction is sometimes blurred by both companies but principally Apple makes the bulk of it's profits from hardware and MS makes it from software.

I bring this up because an increase in Apple market share does not necessarily mean a loss in market share for MS.

Of all of the Apple users that I personally know, all of them have either VMWare or Parallels and a copy of XP, Vista, or win2000. All of them also have MS Office either the Apple version or the windows version and sometimes both.

So MS sells a lot of software to Apple users as well.
 
Still amazing to me that these kinds of excellent results are expected for the Mac and yet it was all but dismissed at the WWDC keynote. I still don't get why it couldn't have been a more balanced presentation.
The WWDC keynote is primarily focused on the developers with some fan fare towards the public. It is time limited given other things going on in later sessions. They can only cover so much and the main new topic to kick off was the iPhone SDK and iPhone 3G so that was the main focus of the keynote. The sessions later that day (all under NDA) focused on Mac OS X and Mac hardware.
 
Congratulations. In the time you switched 4 people MS sold about 270 million Windows equipped PCs.

You're not really a lawyer, are you?

I didn't mention any timeframe, so it's difficult to understand your statement...and yes, of course I am a lawyer...and a good one for that matter. Otherwise you wouldn't be spending your precious time answering to my posts, even when it's clear that I speak as an assumed Apple fanboy and tend to play up the company's achievements.

Anyway, as said above, whatever Apple gains is MS's loss...and even as a software company they are increasingly losing relevance. In terms of open standards, in terms of interoperability, even in terms of office suite offers...legacy usage of Windows continues, but more and more you see people questioning MS's licensing practices and traditional cash cows.

And as Axel Springer expressed, Apple's TCO/support costs are much lower; this matters a lot to businesses all over the world.
 
Ad Nauseum

So, iPhone-weary readers may be spared extensive iPhone coverage during today's financial results. Despite the extensive media focus on the iPhone, one portfolio manager clarifies that "the Mac is the primary reason [they] own Apple shares". He specifically cites accelerated growth in Apple's PC business over the past few years.

Ok, I count myself as an iPhone weary reader. I mean the iPhone is awesome (even in all its technical difficulties as of late), but I use Sprint, and have a year and ahlf left on my contract, and I am not buying an iPhone, and I think that even with as many people buying iPhones as there are, they may still be a small niche of people who come to apple rumor websites to read about something other than the latest iPhone apps.

Might I propose a new aggragator/blogging website (heck i'll register the domain right now if some others would be willing to help me populate it) "www.EverythingButiPhoneRumors.com" or a variation there of, which will begin to report only on maccentric stuff: OSx, macbooks, macminis, heck even apple tv, basically everything except the iphone.

What do you say? Are you all as sick of hearing about every subtle nuance of the iphone as I am?
 
Fortunately this conference call will probably be focused on Mac sales since the new iPhone won't be included unless it's part of the "forward looking" portion.
 
We'll see how the market reacts on these results.:rolleyes:

We already know. It's the same every time. No matter how good the numbers are the stock goes down right after the announcement. 38% growth is not enough. People want 90% but then later after a few days the price recovers. So what you do is buy at 4:00pm pacific time today and sell in three days.
 
We already know. It's the same every time. No matter how good the numbers are the stock goes down right after the announcement. 38% growth is not enough. People want 90% but then later after a few days the price recovers. So what you do is buy at 4:00pm pacific time today and sell in three days.

So you buy before it drops and sell after it gets back to the start point? That's pretty stupid. If you really think it's going to fall, sell it or buy some shorts positions, and then reverse it when your prediction comes true.

Unless you don't really believe that is going to happen...
 
While I understand what you are saying and I agree somewhat, we have to keep in mind that Microsoft is a software company and Apple is a hardware company.

I know this distinction is sometimes blurred by both companies but principally Apple makes the bulk of it's profits from hardware and MS makes it from software.

I bring this up because an increase in Apple market share does not necessarily mean a loss in market share for MS.

Of all of the Apple users that I personally know, all of them have either VMWare or Parallels and a copy of XP, Vista, or win2000. All of them also have MS Office either the Apple version or the windows version and sometimes both.

So MS sells a lot of software to Apple users as well.

Of all the Apple users that I know personally, none of them have Windows in any form, and many don't own the Mac version of Office.

Still, I am referring to the decision to buy a PC, which is effectively limited to Windows or the Mac. Every choice to buy a Mac instead of a Windows PC cuts into Microsoft's market share, just as it had been working in reverse for so many years. Apple is gaining share in the PC market at Microsoft's expense, to extent that Microsoft is beginning to take notice.
 
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