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The UI is already taken care of with the Apple TV.. Why make a TV for that.

That UI is far from perfect. For one, it can be confusing as hell that the buttons marked movies, tv etc take you to the store not your stuff. You go to computer for that.

If you were to add in cable channels at this point it would only be worse.

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iTunes Music Store was made possible when music distributors entered into distribution agreements with Apple. They didn't do agreements with each artist.

Actually they did, when the artists weren't under a label deal that took over control of such deals. That is how many new artists have launched.

And if producers would show the balls it could be how some shows get launched. Imagine having the money to produce a show but no network wants to pick it up. Take it to iTunes instead. Same with movies that don't get distribution deals.
 
Steve's obviously found a way to be better. ITS OBVIOUS and I'm only posting this on this site once.

Can you imagine if you could subscribe to your favorite shows

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you basically can. iTunes season pass. Only issue is timing. But Apple could probably find a way around that based on IPs etc. iF the producers, nets etc were willing to play ball.
 
A fabulous screen, yes.

A set-top box that replaces the stupid ones from cable and satellite companies, yes.

A great universal remote, sure.

Owning a satellite company, yes.

Apps, clouds, pay per individual views...fine for the iDevice, not for the family TV. Channel surfing is fun and is the American Way.
 
An Apple TV with a screen is an idiotic idea, in a marketplace where TVs are a commodity and few will pay extra for something as lame as Siri (and yes, in my personal tests, Siri is rather lame compared to what's available on Android).

All they need is to allow apps on Apple TV. Then third parties can add the capabilities needed to make Apple TV an actually useful little box.
 
I actually don't understand how/if the networks could lose $$ on a Cable-iTunes system. I know I would buy a share of Channels/shows. Wouldn't people like me surely help pick up profits?

Ratings is the key issue. Despite the fact that there are only 25k boxes counting the 'millions' watching shows, the nets still only look at that income when judging success or fail of a show. All other income goes in a common coffer. And too many failed shows is bad PR.

Fox is the worst for cutting shows quick over ratings even when they have huge cult followings and download numbers. My first job in the industry was cut thanks to this as was my most recent -- firefly and Alcatraz.
 
I remember getting suckered into the small satellite ( although my yard thanks me for that). I wish I could go back to C band satellite in some ways. Ala Carte was where it was at. Plus tons of free feeds.
 
Live TV is not the answer anymore, Streaming is where it's at.

The problem isn't Apple putting TV tuners into the Apple TV, it's the content providers offering New Releases through Streaming the moment they Air. It's being able to buy a Season Pass to Breaking Bad, and being able to Stream it immediately Sunday night at 10pm. This is the future :cool:

I agree with that when it comes to tv programs but live tv is still important for events, like sporting events, breaking news, etc.

I would buy Game of Thrones if it were available as broadcast, as you suggest, but I still want to be able to get live news. Although, I suppose that over the air local channels would just broadcast any cable feed that might be covering a disaster, for example.
 
The current TV interface is very poor. People have multiple remotes, or a remote that has to be in one mode to control one device, and a different mode to control another. If you have guests over, you have to give them a tutorial on how to turn it on.

True...but I meant "tv" as in broadcast stations/cable...not Playstations/dvd/bluray and home receivers and more.

If you factor in just what I am saying: a tv and its cable box, it's very simple...room for improvement? Sure.

If you factor in true a/v setups like a lot of people have and include all the various hookups, I agree...it takes a few mins to learn. However, it's because you're not used to your friend's brands and thus the remotes physically...therefore the Input button may be located on a different area of the Cable remote or something like that. Most people understand they are looking for the Power button...or Volume or Channel up/down...or on a dvd box a Play and Pause button. Most people DO understand the overall flowchart that a)you're going to use multiple remotes depending on exactly what you want to do and b)there is no such thing as an all-in-1 remote...those have been promised since the late 80s. They will never exist unless everything is 1 brand and likely all in 1 unit/box. Most cable box remotes include a Power On Everything (yes you have to program it but usually your cable company will do that for you in 30 seconds) which at least gets all your gear powered on with 1 click.

Unless Apple (or any other single manufacturer) builds 100% of the tv experience (tv itself, cable box/card, dvd/bluray, receiver, surround sound, etc.) it will always be a small learning curve to learn someone else's system. We were on vacation last year and the house we rented had a nice a/v system. There was a small piece of paper that had about 3 simple "Do this if you want to ____" and all 5 of us learned how to "use the tv" in a few minutes...never having to go back and review the paper again.

It's all relative.
 
Cable is a slowly dying industry...

Sure this won't happen this year, or maybe even next. But when the tipping point comes (that more consumers prefer "a la carte" viewing) Apple will be prepared and the cable companies won't have a leg to stand on. It will be about survival at that point.

I for one would welcome that day. As it is I'm close to letting cable go if it weren't for a few channels and apps here and there that require a cable subscription.

+1

I can't stand the current "bundling" format of cable TV. I'm forced to pay for channels I don't watch and/or don't believe in whenever I have to buy a package (basic or extended). I hate the idea of subsidizing a network that I really wish would go out of business.

I hope we get a la carte someday soon, where we only pay for (and subsidize) what we view.
 
Thank god. Now everyone can shut up about this mythical Apple Television. The Apple TV already exists; it's that little black $99 set top box that will slowly add more content over time, and eventually apps.

You mean the kind of stuff Roku already does for $20 less?
 
Apple TV box is not live and it won't be live at first. If you buy the TV, your channels will be live.
Think of the new TV as a hybrid without requiring a cable subscription.

You have zero facts to back any of that up.

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Channel surfing is fun and is the American Way.

I have been an American for 15 years and it has never been my way. Not the way before that either. And I know many many folks that do not think channel surfing is fun.

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Fortune reports on a new analyst report published by Pacific Crest's Andy Hargreaves. The report was written after a meeting on Wednesday with Apple's Peter Oppenheimer and Eddy Cue, Apple Senior Vice President for Internet services and software.

If you look at the source article it reads like this is all Hargreaves, not Oppenheimer or Cue.
 
The solution to all of Apple's tv related problems is this: they need they're own physical network.

Problems:
1. Internet is too slow for channel surfing.
2. Cable companies won't let HBO etc. give content to apple.
3. Cable companies won't let apple use their networks.
4. Apple needs to make money on the content, not just the hardware.

Solution:
Apple becomes a giant fiber optic isp, and produces a beautiful, fast, and easy to use internet tv. All Content providers are then forced to get with apple. Comcast and century link go out of business. Apple owns another 100 billion dollar market.


Google is already doing this in Kansas city, and i'm sure they have much bigger plans for it. So at least someone will do it, just wish it were apple.
 
Solution: Apple becomes a giant fiber optic isp, and produces a beautiful, fast, and easy to use internet tv. All Content providers are then forced to get with apple. Comcast and century link go out of business. Apple owns another 100 billion dollar market.

It's one thing to wire one city. The U.S. is a big, BIG place. North America is even bigger. The world is far bigger than that. When would you see us all being able to hook up to this Apple fiber everywhere service? 2020? 2040?

Did Google put the cable providers out of business in Kansas City? Is Googles subscription rate there significantly undercutting the cable company's rate? Is Googles broadband rate there genuinely competitive? Note: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/07/google-fiber-launches-in-kansas-city/ There's no al-a-carte there... and no $5 or $10 or $20-per-month for "just what I want to watch" either). Instead, it's right up there in very familiar pricing territory.

Verizon really likes profit and has been trying to break into fiber for a very long time. But they are still a long way from nationwide fiber. They would certainly like that "$100 Billion market" too. If the money was there- and easy to get by "simply" wiring everyone up- they'd already have that fiber in place... everywhere. Also note that where Verizon has built out that fiber, no one is seeing massive savings in their monthly fee for television subscriptions. Verizons goal is not to wire the world with fiber and then see current model cash flows get cut by 80%, 90% or more. See: http://www22.verizon.com/home/fiostv/plans/ Again, no al-a-carte. No 85% or more off of what we pay now. Etc.

There's 2 examples. Apple likes it's profits too. It likes very fat margins. Do we really think that Apple would spend the HUGE money to fiber wire the nation(s) and then sell us al-a-carte at $5-$10-$20/month? Why would they do that? Everything we see from Apple revolves around serving up a premium experience for a premium price. How do we go from them wiring the nation(s) to the dream of dirt cheap programming?

You are correct about one thing: for the "dream" to have any chance, Apple must be able to bypass the middlemen (the Comcasts, Time Warners, etc). They need to fill in the expensive (and readily variable) gap between us and iCloud with a direct connection. Instead of running new wire on a national/international scale, this would probably be much more doable if they bought- say- DISH network, then repurposed that for flowing content from iCloud to end users. That's still only a U.S. or North America solution... but much more likely than wiring the entire country/continent.

While Apple's solution must depend on pipes owned by Comcasts, etc, the broadband tolls would simply rise to make up for any loss of cable TV subscription revenue. The missing piece is not a TV; it's this direct link between us and iCloud. That's the rumor we need to see for any of this to have any chance at reality. Else, it's just a TV or not a TV rumor, and nothing more.
 
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they already did it. Remote app in any iOS device.

The Remote app isn't an ideal solution. I don't want to have to unlock my phone and wait for the app to launch every time I want to change the channel or turn up the volume. They need a dedicated solution for a remote. A remote app on the iPhone/iPad can be an added bonus.
 
I don't want an actual television from Apple, just a better Apple TV box.

I would never displace my 65" Panasonic 3D HDTV for something that Apple would produce. I would want all the features mentioned in this thread available via a set-top box (STB). Whether that is expanding the current AppleTV box or creating one more in the size and shape of a cable or satellite STB, would depend on what is being offered. IMO, a DVR feature is silly. I would prefer the option to have all shows from the channels I subscribe to available to be viewed by all Apple devices. Real-time streaming would be nice to our iDevices. I know Xfinity and DirecTV both offer that feature since I have access to both.

I would say the biggest issue is the legal part of offering this. It is one thing to offer the shows to purchase through iTunes, but it is a whole different story when going to a live or subscription format with the various companies.

In the end, I hope we get a better AppleTV box. My family enjoys ours very much for what it provides to us. Would I get rid of my DirecTV? I'm not sure. I guess I would need to see how things were offered and whether a true al a carte selection was available and what channels could be selected.
 
Apple TV box is not live and it won't be live at first. If you buy the TV, your channels will be live.
Think of the new TV as a hybrid without requiring a cable subscription. It will be industry changing.

but isnt that against apples philosophy? "watch what u want whenever u want"

i thought streaming is the future ;)

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anyway, i love my random channel surfing, u may end up watching sth u might not have watched otherwise and for everything else theres the "favorites" option
 
MR needs to update this story. Hargreaves reached out to 9to5mac to clarify. Here's what he said:

Nobody at Apple said anything to us about future products. The commentary in our note was our interpretation and our thoughts based on the meetings we had. It’s ok if you say “Analyst does not expect a TV any time soon”, but its incorrect to attribute the commentary to Apple management, particularly in the title.
 
I agree with that when it comes to tv programs but live tv is still important for events, like sporting events, breaking news, etc.

I would buy Game of Thrones if it were available as broadcast, as you suggest, but I still want to be able to get live news. Although, I suppose that over the air local channels would just broadcast any cable feed that might be covering a disaster, for example.

That's my point though, Streaming has the capability to do Live Broadcast. So while I see what you're saying, I don't think the cable companies need to be involved for Live TV to exist.
 
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