"If the proposed solutions are not good enough, we will not hesitate to take strong action."
Thierry Breton
Thierry Breton
They have already gone ahead and done it. Already the EU has responded that it will take strong action against companies that do not respond fairly and these changes cannot be considered fair by any means as they will consider the opinions of third parties also. Once Apple starts being fined 10% of "global revenue" for each infraction, they will come to their senses.Oh they will.
The EU cant sue for global revenue, only revenue in the EU.They have already gone ahead and done it. Already the EU has responded that it will take strong action against companies that do not respond fairly and these changes cannot be considered fair by any means as they will consider the opinions of third parties also. Once Apple starts being fined 10% of "global revenue" for each infraction, they will come to their senses.
Since you strongly believe that, then by your logic Apple should lock down macOS as well and demand a "rent" from all developers that distribute their apps via sideloading just like iOS. Right? And if you don't agree with that, then that would make you a hypocrite. Apple does not deserve a single penny from sideloaded apps since developers are not using Apple's store for distribution and Apple's payment system for processing app purchases. To do so is sheer extortion. I seriously hope the EU and US DOJ slams Apple hard for this. This has nothing to do with a free lunch and everything to do with Apple's toxic behavior.There is no such thing as a free lunch. millions of apps were deliberately listed as free with an in-app subscription option where the real app and full functionality resides.
Looks like you missed an entire conversation about the DMA when it first came up. To refresh your memory, I am attaching the details about the DMA.The EU cant sue for global revenue, only revenue in the EU.
You’re holding it wrong…Vaping is clearly harmful to your health - use of sex toys isn‘t?!
Well, it can say that an App that is free on its app store has to be free everywhere. That will stop this madness from Apple?I'm not sure the EU can currently legally require Apple to provide services for free. It can try and make a law around that but it's a very risky proposition given it undermines the concept of private business and ownership.
Off the top of my head I can't think of any other situation where a company must offer its services for free to its direct competitors.
Yeah. Don’t buy apple products. That would be the revolution.So what you're saying is, it's time for a revolution.
I’m assuming fines such as these would go to court and drag in for years.They have already gone ahead and done it. Already the EU has responded that it will take strong action against companies that do not respond fairly and these changes cannot be considered fair by any means as they will consider the opinions of third parties also. Once Apple starts being fined 10% of "global revenue" for each infraction, they will come to their senses.
The EU can say no app can be costlier than what it is on the App Store. So, a free app on the app store becomes free everywhere. You think the EU has the authority to do this much?Forcing a company to sell for £0 is all but public ownership. I don't know of any other company that is forced to sell its products/services for £0. Even essential services have a cost to the consumer. The EU might say the fee is too high and ask Apple to set it to €0.25 but I’m not sure they’d ever be able to tell Apple to do it for nothing.
What incentive does Apple have to keep updating all these libraries you use and back end services you use and they get nothing at all?
It's possible. A better way, I think, would be the EU demand Apple make iOS / iPadOS as flexible as macOS with respect to app downloads. Hence, Apple doesn't cut of any app that's distributed outside the App Store and does not use Apple's payment system. And when it comes to free apps, like Facebook, Instagram, etc., if they're distributed WITHIN the App Store, they should have to pay a 50 cent Core Technology Fee per initial download.The EU can say no app can be costlier than what it is on the App Store. So, a free app on the app store becomes free everywhere. You think the EU has the authority to do this much?
If Apple starts charging 50 cents for Facebook and Instagram etc., the Appstore will be a graveyard with no apps and let us see who will use iPhones. They will be useful as a paperweight.It's possible. A better way, I think, would be the EU demand Apple make iOS / iPadOS as flexible as macOS with respect to app downloads. Hence, Apple doesn't cut of any app that's distributed outside the App Store and does not use Apple's payment system. And when it comes to free apps, like Facebook, Instagram, etc., if they're distributed WITHIN the App Store, they should have to pay a 50 cent Core Technology Fee per initial download.
For Apps that are distributed within the App Store, I do believe that Apple should get compensated for it. For sideloaded apps, that's a different story.If Apple starts charging 50 cents for Facebook and Instagram etc., the Appstore will be a graveyard with no apps and let us see who will use iPhones. They will be useful as a paperweight.
Apple had a choice to gracefully accede to the spirit of the law, but they chose the other way. Now, they will end up complying with the law because it is not a wise move to taunt the lawmakers of any country and this is tantamount to the same. They will learn it the hard way.So basically, the way Apple is getting around EU rules/law is to design a piece of code that complies with the EU rulings but then make it so that piece of code is chargeable and then change the app store T&C's telling app developers if they want to use that piece of code they have to pay for it.
Sorry Apple but the word starting with SK and ending in M comes to mind. Such a despicable way to behave towards app developers and the EU.
Will they take the risk of compounding fines while the courts decide on the issue? The EU will fine 10% of global revenue for the first infraction and repeat infractions will be fined 20%. Can any company risk so much expecting a favorable verdict from the courts? I doubt it. Let us see who will blink first.Apple will go ahead because they prefer to fight in court.
Apple is already contesting their status as a "gatekeeper" by basically saying the law shouldn't apply to them. Apple will fight with the EU on why $0.50 is fair, balanced, and proportionate. EU lawyers will argue otherwise.
Or not. We will see. Apple didn’t just decide to do this. They pay attorneys fees of $1B and I hope they get something in return.Apple had a choice to gracefully accede to the spirit of the law, but they chose the other way. Now, they will end up complying with the law because it is not a wise move to taunt the lawmakers of any country and this is tantamount to the same. They will learn it the hard way.
That’s certainly one possible route.Yeah. Don’t buy apple products. That would be the revolution.
They will be fined 10% of global revenue for offenses and 20% for repeat offenses. But Apple might still think of delaying this by going to the courts. This might lead them to break up the company? Well, all these decisions might be overturned by the courts, but what if they are not? Apple will be in deep sh**.Why not? They’re selling billions of Euros in phones every year.
Apple has a much lower market sahre.
Since there’s a lack of competing mobile phone OS and application stores, access to these should be regulated.
…and Apple shouldn‘t be entitled to more than the sales price of the phone, when customers choose to buy their software/digital content elsewhere.
It’s called voting with your $$$, a philosophy i espouse. But of course Apple is way too popular for your graveyard scenario.If Apple starts charging 50 cents for Facebook and Instagram etc., the Appstore will be a graveyard with no apps and let us see who will use iPhones. They will be useful as a paperweight.
Some people go on and on about how Apple provides all these APIs, tools, and other resources to devs that allow them to distribute apps around the world with relative ease for $99/year. Because of this they should be more than happy to cut Apple a check for 30%. What you stated is the flip side of the coin that they don’t acknowledge though. What would the iPhone be without third party apps? It probably wouldn’t be on the market anymore or would have dismal marketshare. Apple benefits from the work of countless third-party devs just as much as the devs benefit from Apple’s work. It’s a two way street, but I don’t see devs asking for 30% of the revenue from Apple’s iPhone sales.If Apple starts charging 50 cents for Facebook and Instagram etc., the Appstore will be a graveyard with no apps and let us see who will use iPhones. They will be useful as a paperweight.
You do have a choice, to find another job. If my job forced me to use Facebook Messenger, I probably would too!I won't have a choice, because I unfortunately NEED Facebook and Messenger for work.
There are also plenty of jobs that don't require you to use Facebook Messenger. Go start applying!Why should YOUR wish suppress the wants of others? YOU HAVE ANOTHER PLATFORM THAT DOES EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT!!! Go use it!
You make a good point. There is no thriving general purpose computing platform without 3rd party apps. Period.Some people go on and on about how Apple provides all these APIs, tools, and other resources to devs that allow them to distribute apps around the world with relative ease for $99/year. Because of this they should be more than happy to cut Apple a check for 30%. What you stated is the flip side of the coin that they don’t acknowledge though. What would the iPhone be without third party apps? It probably wouldn’t be on the market anymore or would have dismal marketshare. Apple benefits from the work of countless third-party devs just as much as the devs benefit from Apple’s work. It’s a two way street, but I don’t see devs asking for 30% of the revenue from Apple’s iPhone sales.
They will come down to earth once they are fined 10 or 20% of their global revenue. It's time Apple shareholders watch this space carefully, because if Apple is going to be bullheaded about this, they are going to go bankrupt/broken into pieces or both. The EU might want to make an example of Apple.Nobody said anything about Google in this thread 🤣🤣
I own both pixel and iPhone already thanks and I enjoy both but your fear of side loading is hilarious and proof you’ve never left your Apple cage, you want Apple to reward your blind allegiance but they literally don’t care about you at all.
This won’t stand and they know it, it’s literally in EU law that this is not allowed and they’re just playing games. Pathetic from Apple tbh.