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Classes for people building apps don't help people who need plumbers or electricians. Let's start with logic classes, and beef up vocational skills too. Apps/computing has a place but c'mon there is more to life than computing.
 
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In Europe the government pays YOU for studying ;)

Yes nearly forgot about that. But not in UK.


It's a hard work. But didn't you get satisfaction in the end when solving a problem or getting something fixed?
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I think it's a common misconception that Macs cost more. Whoever can afford PC can afford Mac as well. There's refurbished options and there's option to get used Mac. All better than PC. Even MacBook Air or iMac with HDD is better than PC with Windows. It will serve longer, it will actually work better and faster with OS updates.

PC has come a long way. It used to be Apple were serving Notebook with much better hardware built quality. Not that any PC marker has exceed that, but they are now very close. ( Or they literally copied the Macbook Air Design )

There are large segment of students who dont buy $1299+ laptops, and the only "affordable" solution is Macbook Air.

One could argue Macbook Air is the first Apple product to ever reach a price point that is affordable and actually pretty damn good. The problem is everyone on the campus felt it hasn't been updated for long. And no ones wants to buy outdated products. Especially students.

And ANY computer selling a $1000+ machine with an HDD as main drive in 2018 is really a Sin.

I recently had a friend who needed a cheapest possible machine with OSX. And she got an Mac Mini, the sales in Apple store literally try to stop her from buying it, constantly reminding her it is OLD.

Refurbished is a hard sell in certain countries and culture. Not everyone likes 2nd Hand products.
 
The flaw is in the name:

Everyone can code.

Nope.

Reminds me of some people I've known, their only computing skills is being able to use some aspects of Microsoft Office, and they think they know all about computers.

This is like the modern day thinking of "everyone is a winner" in schools. No one loses you're all the same and just as good.
Sounds great, but sorry, not the real world.

I've always maintained REAL programmers, have this deep in their blood, it's their thing, their interest, their life.
They'd be messing with computers and code, even if they had a job polishing shoes during the day.

Using some high level commands to do some simple things isn't really coding.

The flaw is your thinking.

I guess schools should stop teaching Algebra or Physics since not everyone is cut out to be a Mathematician or Physicist.

This isn’t about turning everyone into coders. It’s about letting everyone try coding to see how they like it. At the beginner level coding also teaches valuable concepts like logic and critical thinking, skills that can be very useful no matter what you do in life.
 
I've always maintained REAL programmers, have this deep in their blood, it's their thing, their interest, their life.

Well, you're wrong. I've worked with tons of engineers that are really good at what they do but don't give a rip about it outside of work. It's not in their blood, they don't have a bunch of open source passion projects on GitHub, they aren't "makers". They go home and play with their kids or work on their car or play video games or whatever.
 
It's a hard work. But didn't you get satisfaction in the end when solving a problem or getting something fixed?
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I think it's a common misconception that Macs cost more. Whoever can afford PC can afford Mac as well. There's refurbished options and there's option to get used Mac. All better than PC. Even MacBook Air or iMac with HDD is better than PC with Windows. It will serve longer, it will actually work better and faster with OS updates.

You would think so right? But sadly I still don’t know how I passed the exam with a B+ after my 5th attempt to this day
 
The flaw is in the name:

Everyone can code.

Nope.

Clearly, the subtext here is that everyone who's interested in coding and feel like it's their thing and it may be their life, can give a shot to coding with Apple's classes.

So then the proper term should be "Everyone May Code". (my grade school teacher would be so proud of me!)

As for me, as much as I love tech and computers, I've come the realization from multiple failed attempts to learn that I "may" code but I most certainly cannot code.
 
University usually costs very little to no tuition in Europe.
My son’s community college costs 2 times more than my masters degree when comparing per credit and fees - only 25 years later. Community college is no longer affordable unless they continue the free/reduced programs currently in place for the first 2 years of community college in Oregon. No such program exists for universities.
 
Well everyone can technically learn mandarin. Doesn’t mean everyone is interested in mandarin. What if I want to learn spanish? What if I don’t want to learn yet another language and something else all together? I am just waiting for schools to force kids to code yet they leave college with no idea how to do their own taxes. It’s fine as long it is optional imo
 
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I think it's a common misconception that Macs cost more. Whoever can afford PC can afford Mac as well. There's refurbished options and there's option to get used Mac. All better than PC. Even MacBook Air or iMac with HDD is better than PC with Windows. It will serve longer, it will actually work better and faster with OS updates.
Yeah, they do just plain cost more. Which is why our broken imac lcd is not getting fixed or replaced. Between apple refusing to make ssd standard, and fusing the screen parts together, not using more recent standard parts - they don’t have a great value when buying new and are horrbly expensive to fix later. Try buying a replacement lcd for a 3 year old imac - $550 with no warranty. My 7 year old PC got a new $150 video card, $700 4k 40 monitor, $150 memory upgrade from 8gb to 16gb and $150 SSD drive - making this originally $650 machine last that much longer. Try that on any new mac.
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Refurbished is a hard sell in certain countries and culture. Not everyone likes 2nd Hand products.
Try buying a quad core mac mini - expensive!
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Well everyone can technically learn mandarin. Doesn’t mean everyone is interested in mandarin. What if I want to learn spanish? What if I don’t want to learn yet another language and something else all together? I am just waiting for schools to force kids to code yet they leave college with no idea how to do their own taxes. It’s fine as long it is optional imo
perhaps kids leave school unable to do taxes because they are not freely computerized, nor easy nowadays.
 
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What is next? everybody can program full compilators!! my 2 cents...

They are consufed...everybody can make a "hello world world"...that's different.
 
Before Apple embark on this philosophical journey, I want them to try the same in their own backyard. Why don't they ask Tim Cook and Eddie Cue to do some bug fixes? Stupid philosophy and I will tell you that this will create a generation that will bring down the whole computing industry.
 
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Are they going to assume anyone who could afford going to Universities, can afford a Mac, even with Educational Discount.

The iMac still comes with an HDD, the Macbook Air is quite out of date.
You don't need a new Mac to use these resources. Not sure if you even need a Mac at all.
 
I strongly disagree with you here.
If you can type on a computer, you should be able code.

Typing out, print 'Hello, world!', in the right context, is coding, and I would guess it's where a lot of todays passionate programmers started.

Personally, I think schools should seriously start thinking about having programming as a mandatory subject, like math and language are (maybe they are already. It's been so long since I was at school). It doesn't mean that everyone will be able to get there head around all concepts in programming (I know I can't), but it will be beneficial for society, just as it is to teach everyone maths.

It feels like you have changed the meaning of the word coding, just to make this bizarre argument against a perceived PC culture.
No, No, hell No!
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Taking into account recent flood of bugs not everyone can code at Apple.
Or may be it's the other way around. We are seeing so many bugs because Apple is asking everybody to code.. including the janitors!
 
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Pixar made a movie with a very similar theme.

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It turned out that quote needed clarification.
 
What does this post mean?

Ups spanglish FTL!

Meant programming a *Compiler vs programming a simple "Hello World" program.

Yes at the end everybody can code i agree however there are still levels and aptitudes....just like playing an instrument pretty much...Useful code is still not that easy to create i'm afraid...

Apple wants to incentive programming which is fine (specially for them, more programmers more $$) but the people out there with real aptitude is still limited just like people who can play an instrument decently.
 
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Ups spanglish FTL!

Meant programming a *Compiler vs programming a simple "Hello World" program.

Yes at the end everybody can code i agree however there are still levels and aptitudes....just like playing an instrument pretty much...Useful code is still not that easy to create i'm afraid...

Apple wants to incentive programming which is fine (specially for them, more programmers more $$) but the people out there with real aptitude is still limited just like people who can play an instrument decently.

I don’t think anyone disputes that “everyone can code” means something different than “everyone is an excellent coder.”

However, anyone who WANTS to become a proficient coder and who is willing to put in the time and energy to learn, can do so.
 
I don’t think anyone disputes that “everyone can code” means something different than “everyone is an excellent coder.”

However, anyone who WANTS to become a proficient coder and who is willing to put in the time and energy to learn, can do so.

Sorry, that's simply not true.
Whilst it would be lovely to imagine all humans are clones and all have the exact same abilities, I can assure you that's simply not the case, and I'm sure as science regarding the brain continues it will be physically proven also.

Can anyone learn to code? If you are of the right age then yes sure.
Can we all learn to code up to a certain level that matches our abilities yes.
Are those levels of ability the same for everyone? No of course not.
That's like saying everyone can be a grand master at chess if they only tried a bit.

I can assure you, there is no way my maths or mental ability is anywhere near the level of being an "Amazing Coder"
Have I "Coded" yes, have I sold some things I wrote? yes, did I get some nice comments and my programs printed in a magazine, back in the 8-bit days yes.

But I'm under no illusion, there are millions? of coders that could without even breaking into a sweat and probably blindfolded would run rings around anything I could ever dream of doing?

However, I can do most jobs around the house and put my hands to most physical tasks.

Sad truth is, everyone is different, we all have different skills and our brains are laid out in different ways.
Some of us as simply more academically clever and pick things up and remember then vastly better than others.

Should we encourage people to be the best at what THEY as humans are really good at, as opposed to pretending everyone can be great at everything.
 
I don’t think anyone disputes that “everyone can code” means something different than “everyone is an excellent coder.”

However, anyone who WANTS to become a proficient coder and who is willing to put in the time and energy to learn, can do so.
I am waiting for the new Ford campaign: "Everyone can fix a car!"
 
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