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What's hilarious is the hypocrisy on these boards. Apple can (and should?) move at lightning speed but Google should just standby while Apple is lollygagging in its preparation to purchase Admob? What a joke.

I always find it odd when people speak of a website and its participants as if they were all one mind-melded being and every opinion posted is somehow indicative of the opinion of the whole.

Just because you heard someone else post something that contradicts what someone else says isn't a sign of hypocrisy. We're all individuals, not part of the Borg. :rolleyes:
 
it's not about search

TOTALLY,

Google is great because they are specialized in what they do, apple also has its niche (although its more like an uber niche) If they focused on a search engine product they might not be able to apply their talents to make it a "google killer."

This is also why I think Bing is going to be a looser.

I still don't think it has anything with "search". I think it has to do with forcing Google to change their strategy by forcing them to defend themselves.

They messed up by leaving china.
They messed up the Admob deal.
They messed up by backstabbing Steve Jobs.
They can't do anything right.
 
"They're going to see it all eventually so who cares how they get it." Which seemed to be about web content, said the tipster. This is a quote from when Steve Jobs met Eric Schmidt out for a coffee.

It seems to be about web content. I wonder how else they would get it?
 
It's amazing what Google has done. They've set up a business where they essentially print money. It's all based on ads. Yet I can't think of one instance where I've purchased anything based on any Google ad.

Someone buying something immediately after seeing an ad is not the primary metric for determining an ad's success. In fact, that's almost impossible to measure. It's usually a longer process. The primary goal for an ad is to keep some company's name in your head for the next time you need a product they sell.
 
...Just because you heard someone else post something that contradicts what someone else says isn't a sign of hypocrisy. We're all individuals, not part of the Borg. :rolleyes:
Ok, look... even I realize there are parts of the Borg that can break off.

...

KIDDING, kidding... sheesh. :) No, seriously my comment wasn't directed to MR as a whole. However, there is a great deal of hypocrisy here, denying it futile (get it? lol). Hey, it's been a long day.
 
Two thoughts

Regarding 3 hours: remember the episode of the Simpsons when Homer started the company Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Net? Bill Gates said, "Your Internet ad was brought to my attention, but I can't figure out what, if
anything, [your company] does, so rather than risk competing with
you, I've decided simply to buy you out." He then tells his goons, "Buy 'em out, boys!" and they break Homer's pencils.

Then there's the arms race between the USSR and the USA. Because of it the former went bankrupt and collapsed under its own weight. The latter is going bankrupt now continuing its military spending.
 
They could integrate the artificial intelligence IP they acquired with Siri.

I agree with this. What Apple is good at is making the user experience of existing technology better. Apple could use Siri to change the way we think about searching the web.

Google still leaves it to us to combine the pages and pages of links we find. A lot of us are quite good at shifting through all those pages, but it has been something we have learned to live with. Siri could just piggyback any search engine and combine and present 'finds' in a smarter way.

Besides that, most of our searches fall into a fixed number of categories. Apple will most likely put a lot of effort to connect as many services linked to those categories available worldwide to the Siri platform (transportation, hotels, restaurants, shops. entertainment, products, translation services, navigation etc).
 
Apple has no interest in search. Honestly, the algorithms for searching and categorizing web pages are pretty trivial stuff as far as cutting edge AI, NLP and link analysis goes. Some of the small-company tech is pretty interesting in the evolutionary sense, but little in the field has been truly revolutionary in the past 5-10 years. Google has no great corner on the market in terms of search technology, and if Apple wanted to buy the bandwidth, pinch green pennies, and try to compete with Google it wouldn't be hard. But they won't. Here's what's really going on for those who don't see the big picture...

Google is first and foremost an advertising company and have been since they were first publicly listed. That's where their bread is buttered. Everything else they do is to drive impressions and click-throughs. Innovations in creatives and penetration in new markets drive higher ad rates, but it really is all about numbers of eyeballs on advertising. New "beta" products drive consumers to commoditized services that add just enough value to keep the masses driving the revenue stream quarter by quarter. As eyeballs have become more mobile, so have their offerings. This is the area that Apple has been slightly encroaching on, because Apple has for the past 30 years derived ALL of their serious revenue off hardware margins, and from mobile devices for the last 10.

The change to the big tech companies --IBM, Oracle, Apple, Microsoft, et. al. -- is the sea change in technology over the past few years as the focus has already shifted from hardware margins and software licenses as a saturated revenue stream to other areas. Both are stalling sources of revenue, and companies are adjust to a world where shrinkwrapped software and commoditized hardware aren't enough. MS has rightly shifted it's offerings to enterprise technology offerings, and does just enough consumer stuff to keep others from encroaching on Exchange/Office/SharePoint. Oracle has locked down back office and enterprise packaging (HR, CRM, Financials, everything backend, especially db's and high-end javaEE) and does consulting. IBM (who ditched PC's, disks, etc.) still does high-end servers and specialty chips, but competes with all of the above technologies, business analytics, enterprise SOA consulting, global instrumentation and outsourcing, and software as service.

So finally on to Apple. For 30 years they have been a manufacturing-centric company. Profits were derived from hardware margins in both computers and consumer electronics. Software and services were value-add to drive hardware sales (music sales, DotMac, now apps). When computers became commoditized, they switched to iPods, when iPods became ubiquitous, they switched to phones, now tablets. Apple never has been bleeding edge, but they have excelled at pushing highend less-tech-elite toward the future high-margin gadgets. They have no chance of ever being successful in enterprise computing (nor desire), and need another revenue stream beyond hardware to continue growing. If you aren't growing, you are dying. SO that puts them up against google in the advertising/mobile/home-consumer space. The difference is that they are much better at delivering a whole ecosystem to people who are attractive to advertisers (young trendy, disposable consumer cash). To move into advertising as their next revenue stream is a no-brainer. But at the same time, don't expect them to compete with google on pure numbers. Expect them to expand their consumer base a little bit, but to continue to offer the total package. Any moves they make will be focused on protecting their existing hardware margins, and deriving new sources of revenue off their existing mobile/home-consumer customers. Acquisitions just help them protect their turf from the others.
 
Just frakin great!

Great wonderful, so happy for Apple *sarcastically*
While they engage in this technology land grab they have become the company that I everyone loves to hate. They seem to be more concerned with share prices than being Apple (sounds more like Microsucks to me). Yes the iPhone is a great seller but they've forgotten the creativity that made them Apple. Even the first three generations of the iPhone all look almost identical. How long does Apple think they can just keep rehashing the same form factor before people get absolutely bored with it. Frankly I'm tired of the iPhone and could care less about iPhone OS 4.0. Whatever advantages it brings, my iPhone 3GS works just fine for my needs now, so whatever.

Mac OS X hasn't seen any significant change in years; Their creative software package FCS just got ass-raped by Adobe CS5 (with the new Mercury Engine and native 64 bit Cocoa programming, Premier is starting to look a lot more appealing to production houses than Final Cut Pro), not to mention Content Aware Fill absolutely kicks ass!

How is it that Apple started this whole push for 64 bit Cocoa and yet most of their professional software that would actually take advantage of it is still in the 32 bit dark ages?

Motion 3, what a freakin joke. Adobe AE has always been so much better. What happened to your promise of a better Shake built on Motion's engine Apple? What a rip off. I actually drank the cool-aide on that one. Most Shake users have sadly and reluctantly drifted to other solutions.


Then to add injury to insult, Apple has not mentioned even a whisper about their Mac Pro line up. Where are the 12 Core Mac Pros? Professional users have been waiting for Apple to keep their software and hardware up to date because their livelihood depends on a fast production workflow, and yet Apple seems content to play with their consumer toys. Perhaps Linux will finally get it chance to shine now that Apple has shot itself in the foot trying to play corporate chess instead of being Apple.


Final Cut Studio is looking rough around the edges with other companies like Adobe, Autodesk, Red Giant and Grass Valley building better alternatives and Linux machines can be built now utilizing the fastest processors and graphics cards at a fraction the cost of a mediocre performing Mac Pro. What the hell is wrong with you Apple? Where have you gone? Maybe you should buy AT&T and just become a consumer phone company because that's all you seem to care about these days.


Perhaps you are working on something truly great, but I (we professionals) wish you would let us in on it as our future can't be gambled on maybes and empty promises while you play phone tug-o-war with Google. Frankly we don't give a sh*t about it.

Instead of stockpiling Billions in the your war chest, you should be investing more in R&D to keep your professional software and hardware competitive and creative.
 
Apple and G.W.Bush

Apple has become the next George Bush. How many companies can you make an enemy of before you finally destroy own own country (I mean company)?

:D

Sorry didn't mean to get political.
 
Looksmart is a penny stock. That is correct. If you know how to do any technical analysis and charting, you'll see that the 50 day SMA just crossed the 200 day SMA to a sharp degree. This is extremely bullish.

Not so bullish given there are folks boiler room chatting the stock up around the web.


Lets be honest, Google is doing almost nothing right in their business today. They pulled out of China, the largest growth market in the world which
....
These executives have a fiduciary duty to do what is best for their stock holders

Eh? Staying in China would be a violation of the fiduciary duty. Google was getting their IP stolen and their servers broken into in China and the government didn't do anything substantive about it. Over time Google would have gotten lots IP stolen if stuck around there. Google left because lack of rule of law in China. Yeah there may be a bunch of short term mindset stockholders who bolt, but they really don't give a damn about the company over the long term anyway. If Google whores out to China and gives away the farm those folks won't care after they pulled some short term profit.

There is always a set of folks on the street who are quite willing for you to sell out you company as long as they make a short term profit on the strategy.


Rampant iPhone knockoffs is different than stealing the software IP in terms of distribution and how easy to police it.
 
While they do seem to be on a feeding frenzy, my only hope is they do so in a target manner (which they seem to be). Not buying for the sake of buying to get bigger. Absorbing companies, even small ones takes a lot of work, and can dilute the corporate culture, cause people to lose focus of what the goal is and spend more time buying then actually developing.

My other thought is apple is moving in a direction of trying to control more of its product, from chip design, to ad dollars. I think its a dangerous move, for consumers and for apple.

Consumers are more locked in and are at the whims of one company, and apple in that other superior components may not be evaluated.
 
I hope not. When I search for something, I want to find what's out there, not what Apple thinks is "appropriate".

correct, however, i do like the search in apple's mail much more than i do the filters and searches in google/gmail trunked with adds... but with iAd in the works, this can change as well... ;)
 
They could integrate the artificial intelligence IP they acquired with Siri.

This is a good point, but wouldn't require Apple to own a search engine. That sort of technology could just be built on top of Googles already great engine.

Looksmart is a penny stock. That is correct. If you know how to do any technical analysis and charting, you'll see that the 50 day SMA just crossed the 200 day SMA to a sharp degree. This is extremely bullish.

Well a pump and dump scheme is going to make the stock look bullish. That's pretty much the point. I'm not going to start handing out investment advice, but personally I prefer craps to penny stocks.

Lets be honest, Google is doing almost nothing right in their business today. They pulled out of China, the largest growth market in the world which dropped it's stock price from $629 per share to $530 per share where it is today. This is largely due to China. That's an almost 20% hit to the stock price.

Stock prices fluctuate. AAPL is off it's high price too are you going to say they are also doing nothing right? I think Google did the right thing with China and are doing plenty right in their business. They are not perfect, but then again no company is.

Apple has no interest in search. Honestly, the algorithms for searching and categorizing web pages are pretty trivial stuff as far as cutting edge AI, NLP and link analysis goes. Some of the small-company tech is pretty interesting in the evolutionary sense, but little in the field has been truly revolutionary in the past 5-10 years. Google has no great corner on the market in terms of search technology, and if Apple wanted to buy the bandwidth, pinch green pennies, and try to compete with Google it wouldn't be hard. But they won't. Here's what's really going on for those who don't see the big picture...

I partly agree with you. Where Google has the market cornered though is in the infrastructure to scale the search to the level they have done. They have invented and continue to improve on file systems, hardware, management tools (how do you manage 100s of thousands of servers?!), etc... all geared towards dealing with the enormous volume of data they sift through. They are also continually improving their algorithm. The web is huge now and while some little startup may have a cool new evolutionary algo, they have nowhere near the other resources and talent to index the entire web with the speed that Google can.
 
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