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Apple's Face ID Feature Works With Most Sunglasses, Can Be Quickly Disabled to Thwart Thieves
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Which facts prove me wrong. Have you used FaceID to gather facts? All we have is what we saw in the keynote and what Apple has professed. The company famous for "you are holding it wrong"? We can surely trust everything they say as fact. I've had a fair amount of experience with facial rec, and watched the keynote, so yes I have an opinion about it. Its not opinion that I can unlock my phone with TouchID before it even leaves my pocket. There is no way that FaceID can do that, and its a valid common use case. The only place FaceID is better is when your hands are wet. So having both would have been ideal.
What an a$$hole by pretending that the only reason to want one's personal info to be safe must be “planning an attack”.
I love the picture of that girl using her phone poolside. That glass back will be nice and scratched up!
Knowledge is power. I learned about straw man arguments and how to identify them many years ago in my college marketing courses. It has proven a valuable advantage in disarming people during debates. For me, it's about bringing more truth to the situation.My experience in the media is that people making the straw man accusation are most often the people who use it.
Why is that? They have more experience at it and it's a cheap way of disarming an opponent who might not know exactly what it means. Often the argument is about exactly the same thing and you win by default by "appearing" smarter.
Have you been listening?
Unless you sleep with your eyes open, there is zero chance it will work while sleeping.
And the "Grab both buttons when handing the phone over" feature is specifically designed to thwart thieves and cops.
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Not just look in its general direction. It needs you to be "paying attention" to it. It's pretty smart about that, apparently.
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Obligatory XKCD Post:
https://xkcd.com/538/
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Random false positive with TouchID: 1:50000
Random false positive with FaceID: 1:1000000
Which number is bigger?
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So don't use it. Turn it off and use the keypad. Or, use 2FA, and back up the FaceID with a keypad-entered password.
Plenty of choices.
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Especially if you are demoing it onstage, LOL!
Just teasing. FaceID is freaking awesome!
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WTF?
Heck, the enrollment process for TouchID is WAAAAY more complicated than for FaceID. And as far as use goes, there's no comparison. FaceID wins the "ease of use" award, hands-down (pun intended!)!!!
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You must never get into a TouchID-unlock-timing-loop., where you pick up the phone, press the Home Button just a LITTLE too long, and have the phone jump right into Siri. Or the other one, where you pick up the phone, press the Home Button, but then get the "Press Home to Unlock" come up yet again.
There's a third variant on that timing-issue with the Unlock that is too difficult to describe; but it happens once in awhile, too.
So, TouchID has it's issues, too. Especially when it comes to Unlocking.
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Unllkely, unless you have a hand that looks like this nightmarish image:
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What does?
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Well, they showed some examples of people wearing hats and even scarves, and growing beards, so I would imagine so.
Probably won't work with your full-face "Eugene" mask from the TV show "Preacher", though...
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Tell me: How well does TouchID work with your welding-gloves on?
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Boy, people are so SOUR these days...Well, call it mutual respect if you want.
But it is actually just good damage control in the form of good PR.
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Well, it was either the notch, or reduce the size of the display like they have been doing up until now. Unfortunately, that ends up reducing the usable area of the display even further, by requiring a "Title Bar" for stuff most of the time. Now, that same stuff (Signal Strength, Time, etc.) is tucked into the "unused" space to the left and right of the "cutout". MUCH more efficient, UI-wise.
Bottom line: The "cutout" was ALWAYS there, taking up space that could have been used for display; it was just out-of-sight behind an always-black background.
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If you're stupid enough to look at the phone directly when the cops hold it up to your face, then you deserve what you get.
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Yep. They clearly and completely addressed that very issue in the Keynote. You might want to watch it.
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If you have an evil identical twin, I'd suggest using 2FA.
You're (conveniently) forgetting: TouchID = lost screenspace. No one seems to be able to get the "Fingerprint sensor integrated into the display" to work; so...
People have HATED the idea of TouchID on the back; and for good reason! From a "UI" standpoint, it's a MASSIVE fail!!!
What "important (to you) security feature" was Craig "ignoring"?
Well here's hoping that face id isn't a massive fail.
Craig didn't cover the two side buttons you could press to disable the face id.
Oh, they CAN search your phone without your permission (see, Password-Cracking by Skull-Cracking); but then, anything they find is "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree", and will not be admissible in Court.
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That would be a politically-unwise thing to highlight in a Keynote. And, keeping that a little "obscure" MAY help in a situation with a Cop or Thief that doesn't happen to watch Apple's product announcements...
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Never having to go through that annoying little extra step on the App Store/iTunes Store...
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Too Late:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/13/conan-jabs-at-the-new-iphones-facial-recognition-system/
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If it took longer to activate than glancing at your speedometer, sure. But it doesn't. TouchID in those situations is FAR more likely to be too distracting.
It does. 2FA has been in iOS for at least 2 or 3 major Revs. I don't remember what all the options are; but Passcode/Passphrase is one of them. But this article does:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915
BTW, something that came up during all that Drama about iOS Security with the San Bernadino iPhone, was that the normal passcode/passphrase can be up to something like 52 characters long:
https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/create-a-more-secure-passcode-on-ios-devices/
And, under certain conditions, like Saving/Restoring an iTunes Backup, it DOES do the "Send a code to another device" thing, automatically, IIRC.
Does that help?
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Proving you aren't actually an iOS user. 2FA and long, alphanumeric Passphrases have been a part of iOS for quite some time.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915
In fact, when you first set up an iOS device, Apple almost INSISTS you set up 2FA.
I had to go through at least a couple of "Finger-Wagging" Dialogs before it would "let me off" with just setting up a Passcode. And God help you if you try to set up iOS WITHOUT at least a Passcode! You can; but iOS gets REALLY "Mommy is Warning You!" before it lets you do that.
Is that sufficient for you, since you OBVIOUSLY have never touched an iPhone with the intention to purchase it?
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If you are worried about that highly-unlikely scenario, then Apple already has the solution for you: 2FA
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915
Or, you can simply require a Passcode ALSO and ALWAYS, even when using TouchID:
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=2262895&seqNum=10
No I'm not worried about that scenario at all. The scenario is reasonable assuming it produced anything of value to the thief. It doesn't -- unless there's information on the phone that such a move would reveal for a specific targeted individual. Otherwise, they can't get into the phone and change anything useful without your face, an/or password. So it's just as secure as it always was. Add to that, the phone would probably lock again before they got somewhere secure enough to use it.
I was responding to the fact that Federighi was saying that a thief couldn't open your phone without your cooperation, which is not true, but more importantly, that he would inadvertently imply someone attempt to thwart a thief at all during a hold up. Federighi's response should have been yours -- which is, there's already security built into the iPhone to protect you in the event of a theft, and Apple does not endorse the use of these sly technology tricks in such a potentially life threatening situation.
That's for your Apple ID - not logging into the iDevice itself. And I know it because I have it enabled and use it already.
That's not true. Anything that currently works with TouchID will work exactly the same with FaceID.
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Craig Federighi said that they kept the swipe specifically because sometimes people want the front screen (with time, notifications, camera, flashlight, etc.), rather than to go directly into the last process they were in. If you raise the phone and unlock it via FaceID, you can then go to, say, the camera, rather than swiping up to open.
Once he explained that, it made more sense to me. I do use the notifications, camera, etc. a LOT, and the clock most of all. I wouldn't always want it to take me back to Twitter or iMessage every time I pull out my iPhone.
Please elaborate on how I am breaking the law 'about 50 times a day' (on my phone as well). I really need to know, so i can tone it down.
How many arguments over nothing lol.
I wonder what would have happened if this forum was up when they invented cars:
- my horse is more reliable!
- this will never work!
-etc etc
This is the way we develop newer and much smarter and better stuff. Same as the headphones jack. You gotta admit its really time for new technology.
Yea they shove it down our throats.
At least they try new stuff.
Really, Who cares if it failed at the keynote?
It seems after a few tweaks and improvements it will be the way to go.
Again, to me the touch id was bery unreliable and i hated it.
And im no apple boy. I Just like newer technology.
I wonder what would have happened if this forum was up when they invented cars:
- my horse is more reliable!
- this will never work!
-etc etc
This is the way we develop newer and much smarter and better stuff. Same as the headphones jack. You gotta admit its really time for new technology.
Yea they shove it down our throats.
At least they try new stuff.
Really, Who cares if it failed at the keynote?
It seems after a few tweaks and improvements it will be the way to go.
Again, to me the touch id was bery unreliable and i hated it.
And im no apple boy. I Just like newer technology.
It didn’t actually fail. Touch and Face ID require a passcode unlock after you restart your device. Thjat’s what had happened.