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Personally, I wish messages were synced to iCloud like contacts, calendars, reminders, etc. are -- instead of just through backups. It's annoying when I get a new device and none of my messages are there. Just sync them like contacts so that on any devices where I log in to iCloud, all of my messages will be there.

I guess you mean SMS, as iMessages are already on iCloud servers. ;-)
 
Ughhhhhhhhh bad driving maps I can deal with because I can Googles gps app, but find my iPhone now too? Dammit
 
...and:
- Reinvent the wheel

So some good competition isn't healthy? There is one major company doing it 'good enough'* and all the others should just not try too make something better?


* The new Google Maps is driving me nuts btw.

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I guess you mean SMS, as iMessages are already on iCloud servers. ;-)

No they're not. There pushed to a device and new devices don't get them as rorschach wants it. Just like me.
This is probably the most secure way, but I guess it's also the reason iMessage has so many bugs..

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Why would we need this? The reason Find my Friends for iCloud.com would be a good idea is because there is no specific application for it, unlike Messages.

Agreed. But it wouldn't hurt making a browser version. This way it could be more like a Facebook Chat / MSN competitor.
 
Here is my biggest issue with apple/ios. Even if I wanted to go back to an iphone 75% of my friends/people I interact with are now on Android which makes imessage useless yes I can use sms on Yosemite but I lose being able to see if someone has read a message and being able to reply to everyone. Apple doesn't have a music subscription available in Canada (yet) like Google play music all access. Will icloud drive be better then google drive? Can't see it being a significant difference. Other than iphoto handling pictures better then Google plus and current Google Drive. I think I would mostly be using google apps. Ok maybe I would switch back to safari but it's hard for me to justify paying $400 more for an iphone over an nexus phone for better iphoto integration and safari. I'd be mostly using google apps and services.

What it would come down to is hardware and OS. Hardware wise I still prefer the iphone's premium feel but the Nexus 5 quality has been surprisingly good. I like the rubber textured back less drops out of my hand and slippery surfaces. Also no screen smaller than 4.7 for me anymore but the next iphone will be there. OS wise kit kat has way better functionality than iOs 7 (especially notifications). I also still don't like the ugly bright icons and some ui layouts to ios 7. Androids icons aren't exactly pretty but the colours aren't as offensive to me plus I use a launcher and icon themes like winter board for ios but doesn't require a jailbreak.

There is still something about having an iphone and a complete apple ecosystem so it will be interesting if the iphone 6 and ios 8 have enough to sway me back in.

The current iPhone (not Yosemite) can use sms just fine, and though you can't see the indicator (like in iMessage), there are other alts like WhatsApp and LineChat that do the same as iMessage and they are multiplatform.

Similarly, Spotify (and many others) offers Music Subscription in iPhone until Apple release their own (more likely integrating they Beat Music to Music App)

You can use Google apps and services just fine with iPhone. Their apps/services do not tie to Android exclusively. In fact, they feels much better when used in iPhone.

iOS 7 grows on me and many people. It's all a matter of personal taste. What is more important is how responsive the OS is. A UI appearance can be changed easily if they wanted to, but the underlying efficient software is hard to change. Comparing to Android day to day usage, iOS smoothness make a huge different due it's intimate integration with hardware and the clean coding behind it. if Android is all about choices and changes, iOS is about solid and steady.
 
So you feel that once something is created, other companies shouldn't make their own version ? Blackberry would probably agree.
What's the point if "your version" isn't even to the level of what existed 10 years ago? The automotive industry in the Soviet Union is hardly a good model to follow.

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The current iPhone (not Yosemite) can use sms just fine, and though you can't see the indicator (like in iMessage), there are other alts like WhatsApp and LineChat that do the same as iMessage and they are multiplatform.

Similarly, Spotify (and many others) offers Music Subscription in iPhone until Apple release their own (more likely integrating they Beat Music to Music App)

You can use Google apps and services just fine with iPhone. Their apps/services do not tie to Android exclusively. In fact, they feels much better when used in iPhone.

iOS 7 grows on me and many people. It's all a matter of personal taste. What is more important is how responsive the OS is. A UI appearance can be changed easily if they wanted to, but the underlying efficient software is hard to change. Comparing to Android day to day usage, iOS smoothness make a huge different due it's intimate integration with hardware and the clean coding behind it. if Android is all about choices and changes, iOS is about solid and steady.

I don't get all this talk of how ios is so much smoother than android. maybe 3 or 4 years ago absolutely. Android is very responsive now so I'm tired of that argument. Ya I've heard that developing for apple is easier and the code is nicer for developers but none developer users like myself don't care. For us its the user experience, features, quality of hardware and value/price.
 
What's the point if "your version" isn't even to the level of what existed 10 years ago? The automotive industry in the Soviet Union is hardly a good model to follow.

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That photo is obviously from Germany. And German cars are some of the best in the world, so there goes your analogy.
 
That photo is obviously from Germany. And German cars are some of the best in the world, so there goes your analogy.
Not really. The Trabant -produced in East Germany, which was part of the Soviet zone- had poor performance and was built around an outdated and inefficient engine, among other things. My analogy still stands.
 
The Trabant -produced in East Germany, which was part of the Soviet zone- had poor performance and was built around an outdated and inefficient engine, among other things. My analogy still stands.

Well, Google Maps on iOS has poor performance (compared to Apple Maps) and is built around an outdated and inefficient engine.

Sure, Google's data is better, but that doesn't mean other companies shouldn't try to create competing implementations.

If anything, competition keeps Google from getting complacent. If they were the only Maps app & SDK in the market, where would be the incentive for Google to keep improving?

Only having one option for Maps sounds a bit Soviet to me.
 
Not a surprised move. I think services like maps are better the more people use them. It won't be long until Apple catches up with Google map when hundreds of millions of people opt for the default mapping app instead of Google map.
 
"Though the public version of iCloud.com is still pulling data from Google Maps"

+1
I never know that...


And everyone thinks Apple is doing good... Siri is pulling from bing in the results behind the scenes.

Kinda makes you wonder why Apple does this if they can't even data themselves..

This does makes Apple services less interesting after all when u now the nitty gritty.

Wouldn't you actually want Apple to have map data ??, your using their app after all.. Why would they have to pull from Google, when Apple *thinks* their map app is more accurate. anyway ?

You have have app, develop the background stuff yourself, and don't steal from Google.

A company like Apple can do this ... Obviously, users don't care where data comes from these days..
 
Well, Google Maps on iOS has poor performance (compared to Apple Maps) and is built around an outdated and inefficient engine.

Sure, Google's data is better, but that doesn't mean other companies shouldn't try to create competing implementations.

If anything, competition keeps Google from getting complacent. If they were the only Maps app & SDK in the market, where would be the incentive for Google to keep improving?

Only having one option for Maps sounds a bit Soviet to me.
Apple could have build their own map app but kept the accurate mapping data that Google uses.
 
I guess you mean SMS, as iMessages are already on iCloud servers. ;-)

No I mean iMessages. Yes they are on iCloud servers, but they don't sync like Contacts or Calendars or Reminders.

I.e., if I have my iPhone with all my iMessage conversations and I get a brand new computer, even if I log in to iCloud on it, if I open the Messages app none of my messages/conversations will be there. They'll only start showing up from that point on.
 
Is there a reason why Apple can't do their map data.?
 
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