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I could see a flip open portfolio style reader, like the one Microsoft is working on, wrapped in a leather case selling well if it has a screen that isn't eye straining.

The iPod made it easy to carry and listen to all our music because it is something you do without having to focus on. Earbuds/headphones and you are free to go about your business.

Reading, has not been an issue. I am not likely going to be reading 10-12 different books at once. I also like putting books on my shelf, the feel of paper and their smell. If I am reading a book, I can carry it around just fine. Newspapers or magazines are the same. And material I like online, looks fine on my laptop. I doubt typing on a screen is as fast as replying to this forum.

My other big issue is the possibility it is going to make it's way into schools. As much as I love the idea of low cost textbooks, I don't think digitizing them is a cost effective solution. The real problem with textbook prices is the publisher. Having worked with two of my professors on publishing textbooks, I can tell you they make little to no money off of their work, while the publisher makes a massive profit. This profit comes while schools struggle to keep their books updated for learning children. Kinda despicable if you ask me.

I still see the tablet as a showcase for fun technology, possible gaming platform, and toy. I do not see this replacing anything I currently own, and I definitely do not see myself adding it onto a cell data plan. They already rape me now for a phone, I don't need to give them more reasons to bend me over.

You're very traditional. And in 10 years, you'll have forgotten all about the smell of books and the antiquated notion that they should be put on a shelf so others, by observing the spine of a book, can admire your intellect. It'll be like cars replacing horses, TV replacing radio, computers replacing typewriters. It's already here, but Apple is going to hook up the jumper cables and bring it to life. Critical mass will be achieved. Devices like this (and there will be more) will be far more than a toy.

As far as textbooks, all of the skeptics are missing the big picture---it won't matter if a big publisher wants to continue to make big profits on ebooks, because the authors can create the book themselves without the publisher--liberation is at hand. They don't need massive centralized graphics-printing-binding-shipping operations or in-house review panels or sales staffs. That's kind of the Soviet / McGraw-Hill model. Dead, but still walking around.

Look for brand new publishing houses, where getting the books compiled, reviewed, approved and distributed will be markedly easier and faster than it is now. Look for new, elegant multi-media software pointed towards integrated "book" development for non-publishers (absolutely not from Adobe, who never got the UI concept of ease of use from Aldus Pagemaker or Ready-Set-Go, and are too feature-itis oriented).

Don't be afraid. Enjoy the ride.
 
And while you're skydiving?

It was only a few years ago when Apple introduced podcasts to itunes, do you think the same could happen with Blogs?

If you think about it you could blog on the move and have it automatically sync to itunes. People can then subscribe to your blog (as you do with a podcast) and they can read it on the go?

I think that would be a pretty good idea. Some people have interesting things to say, but there isn't anywhere they can go to get it out to the public.

I might just be talking complete horse poo though.
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Well, Apple should also pair each tablet sold with a seeing-eye dog for pedestrians and an airbagper vehicle driver and passengers.
 
Derek Powazek said:
It's the same hole they filled with the iPod. When it came out, there were CDs on one side (physical media for sale) and file-sharing on the other (free but dodgy). The iPod filled the media experience gap, and the iTunes store filled the payment side. Many pundits said it wouldn't work. It worked.

The same could happen here. Apple could release a device that makes consuming media fun, is able to show any PDF beautifully (just like the iPod would play any MP3), and offers new media for sale in the iTunes store. If they did it right, publishers like me might finally be able to sell something digital that people would actually buy.

This guy sounds like a moron. I don't EVER remember there being any issues with mp3 files not being able to playback properly or have any kind of issues with a digital audio player in either computer software form or portable hardware form. This guy is giving WAY too much credit to apple. The only thing the iPod did right was make it the navigation and transferring easy. Everything else was a headache (battery life especially).
 
The tablet has too many disadvantages compared to desktops and even laptops when it comes to features relevant for content creation. It's only advantage is mobility but this is very rarely important for creative activities.

Your perspective is limited by what you "know to be true"...not what you can envision. Look ahead a little.
 
How (painfully) funny! After weeks of participating in various threads in which it felt like many people sided on Tablet justification concepts like how much cheaper the new print media was going to be because the publishers won't have to print it, nor distribute it, etc, we get this rumor which implies- as expected- that there would be no big discounts for media at all... and perhaps the media would be priced even HIGHER than other e-media sources.

I've argued again and again to simply look to the example of everything else already in the iTunes store relative to the pricing of their "printed" counterparts, and let that be the general pricing guide for how all this print media would be priced... only to see post after post building up the perceived value of this Tablet by imagining that all these other players (outside of Apple) were going to cut their revenue & profit throats solely (apparently) to help Apple sell more Tablets.

This rumor makes great sense in not perpetuating the fantasy that all these magazines, college textbooks, etc are now going to be bargain priced, though even I'm a bit surprised that the exact same content might be premium priced (higher than competition from Amazon, etc). Wow! I have to believe this is for the rumored enhanced version, where, instead of a static picture for example, the Tablet version gets video, etc (a higher price to justify an enhanced version of the print publication). If not, Yikes!

And where are all those dreamers looking for the print media industry to kill their revenues & profits now? And if someone chimes in still in that camp, why would they do that exactly?

Wouldn't it have been easier to say "Apple sucks for charging us high amounts for books that cost less physically". You just wasted your time, as there is no real point to your comment.
 
Look for brand new publishing houses, where getting the books compiled, reviewed, approved and distributed will be markedly easier and faster than it is now.

Plus a probable "open to anyone" Apple Store for selling books. It'll raise vanity publishing to new heights.

Of course, it could also be censored into whatever Apple thinks is family friendly, if it follows their current M.O.

Look for new, elegant multi-media software pointed towards integrated "book" development for non-publishers...

Yes. This is something I think we'll see perhaps even from Apple today. Publishers will need tools to help create these new multimedia-oriented magazines and books.

As for the comment about books on shelves, a lot of us will always like having them around. Especially when there's no more power after 2012 :p
 
You're very traditional. And in 10 years, you'll have forgotten all about the smell of books and the antiquated notion that they should be put on a shelf so others, by observing the spine of a book, can admire your intellect. It'll be like cars replacing horses, TV replacing radio, computers replacing typewriters. It's already here, but Apple is going to hook up the jumper cables and bring it to life. Critical mass will be achieved. Devices like this (and there will be more) will be far more than a toy.

As far as textbooks, all of the skeptics are missing the big picture---it won't matter if a big publisher wants to continue to make big profits on ebooks, because the authors can create the book themselves without the publisher--liberation is at hand. They don't need massive centralized graphics-printing-binding-shipping operations or in-house review panels or sales staffs. That's kind of the Soviet / McGraw-Hill model. Dead, but still walking around.

Look for brand new publishing houses, where getting the books compiled, reviewed, approved and distributed will be markedly easier and faster than it is now. Look for new, elegant multi-media software pointed towards integrated "book" development for non-publishers (absolutely not from Adobe, who never got the UI concept of ease of use from Aldus Pagemaker or Ready-Set-Go, and are too feature-itis oriented).

Don't be afraid. Enjoy the ride.

Calm down, book will never fall. They are at the base, they are the one that lead to this, so no, this toy will NEVER replace the books. 3/4 of the world's population still lives like we did 2000 year ago, getting energy only from natural source, and less than 8% of the remaining Fourth can access to a broadband. Then, a quater of the remaining has enough money to buy a apple computer. So.. please, leave Guttemberg alone.
What is coming is just a beautiful energy sucking toy, a perfect picture of our decadent civilization...
 
Create our own apps
One thing that I think could happen is that Apple will offer a way in it's iWork suite a way to literally take your creation in Keynote (or possibly a brand new application) and export it as an App that can be offered for sale that can be bought or gifted from/to friends and relatives... it doesn't have to sell lots of copies, but if millions of people are offering this type of thing and buying it themselves for birthdays and the holidays, boom... cash.

Something will be on sale today
It most certainly won't be the tablet, but you can bet one of Apple's signature products will get a refresh today to satisfy the multitude that are wanting to buy something shiny today. Apple also would be benefit greatly with all the additional free publicity that this would generate for this specific product's refresh when all the tech magazines, business magazines, tv and internet bloggers start their write-ups on the day's events and news.

Out to Lunch
My wife asked me which day this week I wanted to have lunch (she's a school teacher and I work from home), I purposely said today so that I wouldn't be home hitting REFRESH every other second between macrumors, fakesteve and engadget's live keynote blogging. This way, I come home at 1pm and there's and hour's news waiting for me to comb through. Pretty smart, eh guys?!
 
Wow! Serious? You haven't even SEEN IT! You have no idea what it's going to be like, yet you make judgements on it? Nothing more than a "tchotchke"; give me a break...

Wow! serious?
You think it's not gonna be "scratchable, breakable, rigid, power dependent" or what?

Mass market ebook readers need to be cheap, very robust and working without needing a recharge after 10 hours. Common sense and technical realities tell us that the iPad will be nothing of these things.
 
I must say I highly doubt this will actually replace the book, I've found that reading on the computer (yes I have a few textbooks and ebooks on my MBP) is very difficult and easily strains everything. Of course the tablet's form will make it easier to a degree, but again a shiny glass backlit display cannot beat an actual book page as far as comfort is concerned.
 
One thing that I think could happen is that Apple will offer a way in it's iWork suite a way to literally take your creation in Keynote (or possibly a brand new application) and export it as an App that can be offered for sale that can be bought or gifted from/to friends and relatives... it doesn't have to sell lots of copies, but if millions of people are offering this type of thing and buying it themselves for birthdays and the holidays, boom... cash.

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My wife asked me which day this week I wanted to have lunch (she's a school teacher and I work from home), I purposely said today so that I wouldn't be home hitting REFRESH every other second between macrumors, fakesteve and engadget's live keynote blogging. This way, I come home at 1pm and there's and hour's news waiting for me to comb through. Pretty smart, eh guys?!

I guess, but then you can't comment with the others who are doing the exact same thing. You'll be perusing this when everybody already has, and you lose that sense of a community. Oddly, it feels like we're all a part of it.
 
Wow! serious?
You think it's not gonna be "scratchable, breakable, rigid, power dependent" or what?

Mass market ebook readers need to be cheap, very robust and working without needing a recharge after 10 hours. Common sense and technical realities tell us that the iPad will be nothing of these things.

I wasn't referring to that! Where is it written in the law that ebooks need to be cheap? You're opinion is based purely on technicalities which you have no proof of. Does this also apply to the iPhone?
 
... only to see post after post building up the perceived value of this Tablet by imagining that all these other players (outside of Apple) were going to cut their revenue & profit throats solely (apparently) to help Apple sell more Tablets.

The idea was not that other players are cutting their profits, but that certain players are completely cut out of the whole food chain, and by that the price could be lower for an ebook.

However, reading that Apple wants to charge $13-15, I either think that someone is spreading false numbers or that Apple is getting a bit too self-assured. With that price, they're not going to make many sales.
 
I agree with Steve that not enough people read to make something like this worthwhile, so hopefully there is a lot more to this than eBooks.
 
I wasn't referring to that! Where is it written in the law that ebooks need to be cheap? You're opinion is based purely on technicalities which you have no proof of. Does this also apply to the iPhone?

The iPhone is also scratchable, breakable, rigid and power dependent. However, phones are not ebook readers. So the comparison doesn't make much sense.

Both ebooks and ebook readers need to be cheap to be a mass market success. People are not THAT stupid you know. They're not going to switch from $5-10 books (second hand included) to $800 readers and 13-15$ books that cannot be resold.
 
As far as textbooks, all of the skeptics are missing the big picture---it won't matter if a big publisher wants to continue to make big profits on ebooks, because the authors can create the book themselves without the publisher--liberation is at hand. They don't need massive centralized graphics-printing-binding-shipping operations or in-house review panels or sales staffs. That's kind of the Soviet / McGraw-Hill model. Dead, but still walking around.

That's a terrific vision. So why haven't we already seen it with musical artists selling direct via iTunes? What aren't video-side content producers bypassing the middlemen and going direct via iTunes? Why does this Tablet have to exist to facilitate that vision... considering that there are already millions of iTunes-connected devices in the world?

Could your vision come to pass? Sure. But we've had an iTunes store for 7 years now and nary a single incarnation of it has happened so far. Those middle men do more than just skim a lot of the revenue away from the Artists. Publishers do a lot more than just inject themselves into the revenue that should be flowing to the writer(s) too.

I completely agree it would be great if more of the purchase price of all iTunes media could flow to the artists at the other end of each "product". But I have a hard time imagining this Tablet being the crucial missing link to facilitate a direct connection as you seem to believe.

I'd love to be wrong though.
 
The iPhone is also scratchable, breakable, rigid and power dependent. However, phones are not ebook readers. So the comparison doesn't make much sense.

Both ebooks and ebook readers need to be cheap to be a mass market success. People are not THAT stupid you know. They're not going to switch from $5-10 books (second hand included) to $800 readers and 13-15$ books that cannot be resold.

The tablet is not going to be strictly an ebook. You seem to forget that. I made the comparison with the iPhone because it's also an Apple product. And I was asking about it's functionality, not it's build. And besides, you put a darn case on the iphone, cover the screen up with an antiglare film, and it's safe.

Also, last time I checked, electronics WERE power dependent. The iPhone's features justifies its purchase for many consumers; and the same will apply to the tablet.

Portability is another thing. Physically books are nice and all, but you can't take 100 pounds of books with you on vacation. You'll have your entire library in a 10 inch device.

Don't you see this?
 
So if it is scratchproof, unbreakable, completely cordless/wireless, waterproof, floating, washable, green, then what?

Because those are things that a book is, and the standards by which any competitor to the format will be measured.

When your eReader is more indestructible than a book, and you never have to really worry about it running out of juice, and you can take it on into your boat or floating lawn chair and not be afraid of destroying your spendy toy, or you can forget it on vacation and laugh it off....THEN the additional benefit of having one reader contain multiple volumes makes an eBook the superior choice.
 
The idea was not that other players are cutting their profits, but that certain players are completely cut out of the whole food chain, and by that the price could be lower for an ebook.

However, reading that Apple wants to charge $13-15, I either think that someone is spreading false numbers or that Apple is getting a bit too self-assured. With that price, they're not going to make many sales.

Actually, there have been many, MANY posts from people expecting existing, major players were going to be able to heavily discount their books, magazines, etc... but apparently only to help the person making such speculations see reasoning to justify the rumored Tablet. When called out, it was "logically" supported by "no printing costs, no distribution costs, etc". I've been fairly active lately and I can't remember ANY that were couching this for other players cut out of the food chain. Instead, most obviously, a fair amount of the posts were from students expecting their college textbooks to now be way cheaper (and lighter to carry around) within the Tablet (e-version).

On a related note, there have also been tons of posts about deep discounted full 3G, also, apparently solely to support sales of the Tablet. When called out (as in, why would AT&T or Verizon shoot themselves in the foot), the "logic" has often been "I don't want to pay for another monthly contract" and similar.

In both cases, justifying the value of a Tablet by imagining that these other industries are going to take a big hit to their revenues & profits (through heavy discounting that apparently gains them NOTHING), still makes no sense to me. Sure, it's a great way to help hype oneself up to the idea of justifying a Tablet, but the follow through (getting to actually get those college textbooks... or that open 3G... at super discounted prices) is probably a variation of justifying a cell phone just in case the car breaks down, but then using it as a general purpose phone.
 
This guy sounds like a moron. I don't EVER remember there being any issues with mp3 files not being able to playback properly or have any kind of issues with a digital audio player in either computer software form or portable hardware form. This guy is giving WAY too much credit to apple. The only thing the iPod did right was make it the navigation and transferring easy. Everything else was a headache (battery life especially).

Hi,

I think what he was referring to was MP3's that were downloaded from Napster and other 1999 sources. Before iTunes and the iPod there wasn't a "store" you could download music, and I certainly remember listening to my friends mp3 music collection on his PC with pops clicks and echos haunting Napster tracks. Titles of tracks were usually Track 1 - Artist - Madonna Virgin and artwork was non existent.

Apple changed all of this.

s.
 
Wouldn't it have been easier to say "Apple sucks for charging us high amounts for books that cost less physically". You just wasted your time, as there is no real point to your comment.

Well thank you Virtuon. Apparently, I- and maybe everyone else?- can learn from your posts of only value-added contributions (as You see them). I'll try to learn from your excellent posts at #143, #164, and #165. Those are art. Perhaps you should publish them and sell them for 30% more than Amazon via iTunes on this new Tablet.

I bow to your literary and valued-added greatness:rolleyes:
 
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