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Agreed. I'm grateful for the products he pressured his staff to produce and he clearly understood that making technology easy, accessible and fun empowers the user instead of the combative approach and attitude at Microsoft.

But it sounds like he's not someone I'd want to know or enjoy working for . Unless you were one of his few "confident" friends you were pretty much nothing to him or the company even if you produced good work. The comment that it was an honour if he even knew your name is telling and evidence of a real arrogance. Dare I say he even seems to have psychopathic traits.

I have to agree with this. He does not sound in any way shape or form like a model of good management. In fact, in many respects he's quite the opposite. This might be blasphemous to say, but he could've just been in the right place at the right time. That's not to say that he wasn't brilliant and that his vision didn't influence the company's path significantly. But, Apple in the late 90s was the perfect place for a guy with his temperament and inclinations.
 
Agreed. I'm grateful for the products he pressured his staff to produce and he clearly understood that making technology easy, accessible and fun empowers the user instead of the combative approach and attitude at Microsoft.

But it sounds like he's not someone I'd want to know or enjoy working for . Unless you were one of his few "confident" friends you were pretty much nothing to him or the company even if you produced good work. The comment that it was an honour if he even knew your name is telling and evidence of a real arrogance. Dare I say he even seems to have psychopathic traits.

Yeah, its a honor when the boss knows your name in any big company. Its not arrogance. I personaly know only the names of few people in the office, because we are hundreds. And having a first meeting with the big boss is always stresful, because you know what they say about the first impression, right? At the end, Steve had a multi-bilion dollar company to manage and its a great great responsability. Every single minute of his time worthed thousands of dollars. But for me, it was priceless.
 
...However, the OP mused about everyone being like Steve Jobs, which I think would be pretty terrible as Jobs had many personal issues and was, to be frank, an *******....

And you know this how?

It's fairly well documented in the biography that he authorized.
 
Sorry to disagree. As a small business owner who is understand staff and need to get things done fast and perfect SJ is a role model. How else is he suppose to run a hugh corporation? Being nice and baby sit his staffs? At Apple's level you either belong at that level or you don't.

You can give feedback and convey expectations of excellence without demeaning and humiliating your employees.
 
...However, the OP mused about everyone being like Steve Jobs, which I think would be pretty terrible as Jobs had many personal issues and was, to be frank, an *******....



And you know this how?


Let me first say that I think Steve Jobs was an exceptional visionary and a genius in many ways.

However, as a young man, Mr. Jobs was often unkind or unfair to people. For example, Jobs was offered a $5,000 bonus if he could get a video game programmed (I think it was Pong for Atari). Jobs told Woz that he'd split the bonus with Woz if Woz helped him, but Jobs said the bonus was $500 instead of $5,000. I heard Woz tell this story in person. Woz was pretty emotionally beat up over the incident when he discovered the truth.

I think that Steve Jobs did become a much better person as he became older and wiser. He always did seem to keep something of a hard edge though. I'm under no illusions that he was a saint, but rock stars generally aren't saintly.
 
I hope you're wrong, Apple have always worked on 5 year plans so Steve's innovations and ideas can still be seen throughout 2016.



It would be nice to see Tim take a much larger part in WWDC etc and forget about his spread sheets for 5 minutes.


I recall hearing Steve mention somewhere that they had a 20-year roadmap for OSX. This was about 10 years ago. Not sure about product roadmaps, but their computer section seems safe at least.
 
Interesting how he goes out of his way to point out how great Scott Forstall was. In the media we just assume that he was some sort of oddball who ultimately didn't fit in.

We are going to hear a lot more from Scott in the future.
 
We are going to hear a lot more from Scott in the future.

I hope so. I still don't buy into the nonsense that he Forstall had a cloven hoof, horns and a tail. Talented software engineer. I wish he was still at Apple.

And yes, until green felt and leather stitching crashes I'm ok with it.
 
I hope so. I still don't buy into the nonsense that he Forstall had a cloven hoof, horns and a tail. Talented software engineer. I wish he was still at Apple.

And yes, until green felt and leather stitching crashes I'm ok with it.

Still at Apple doing what? What exactly was his vision for Apple? One could argue that Apple has fallen behind in the mobile software space because of a Forstall (and Jobs). Just as an example, on last weeks MacBreakWeekly webcast Rene Ritchie said it was Forstall and Jobs that kept putting the kibosh on AirDrop because they felt it was too complex. Could that also be the reason we didn't have Control Center prior to iOS 7? I can tell you right now I'd never go back to a version of iOS that didn't have it. Same with multitasking. The way it's implemented now is so much better IMO. If I want to close out of an app I just flick it off the screen rather than having to long press the app icon, wait for it to jiggle and then tap the tiny little x in the corner. Personally I think iOS stagnated under Forstall's watch and I don't think that will happen now that Federighi is in charge.
 
Still at Apple doing what? What exactly was his vision for Apple? One could argue that Apple has fallen behind in the mobile software space because of a Forstall (and Jobs). Just as an example, on last weeks MacBreakWeekly webcast Rene Ritchie said it was Forstall and Jobs that kept putting the kibosh on AirDrop because they felt it was too complex. Could that also be the reason we didn't have Control Center prior to iOS 7? I can tell you right now I'd never go back to a version of iOS that didn't have it. Same with multitasking. The way it's implemented now is so much better IMO. If I want to close out of an app I just flick it off the screen rather than having to long press the app icon, wait for it to jiggle and then tap the tiny little x in the corner. Personally I think iOS stagnated under Forstall's watch and I don't think that will happen now that Federighi is in charge.

You have your opinion. I have mine.

What is iOS market share now?
 
I've worked in business a long time, too, and I don't see any reason not to treat people with respect and have a professional demeanor at all times. To each their own, I suppose. Glad I don't work for you.

I prefer honesty. He respected people by expecting the best from them versus being complacent/politically correct.

He was the polar opposite of passive aggressive. You always knew where you stood with Steve.

I'll take anyone who is frank and honest versus someone that's always trying to please everyone (a yes man, politically correct, doormat, someone who always keeps a professional demeanor etc...)
 
Going to quote theoatmeal.com here: Jobs = cockwaffle in a turtleneck.
 
Cook has nowhere the focus or vision Jobs had.

You need a concept and vision to design.
Tim Cook may not have a background in art and design but I think he's a very focused man. He's a master of efficiency, something that requires someone to be extremely focused. In his former job, he took steps to improve and simplify Apple's ability to get their products made, shipped, stored, and become available on the day a new product is officially announced. This allowed Apple to keep a product a secret until the minute it's available at an Apple Store. While handling distribution of products and supply chains aren't the same as design, some of the same thinking goes into it. When Jobs and Ive design a product, they think of what they no longer need and can get rid of and sophisticated, yet simple ways of having their products manufactured.

So I think in that sense, Cook has a very good understanding into hoy Jony Ive thinks, which is why he seemingly trusts him a lot more than some of Jobs' other longtime employees.

Really? He openly mentioned that Tim wasn't a product guy? Do you have a link.

Not questioning you but just curious - didn't think he would say something like that.

Thanks!
He mentions it in his book. He says Tim isn't exactly a product person and visibly shows some disappointment when he says that. Still, he personally picked Tim Cook to be his successor, meaning that he probably trusted him and the team as a whole at Apple.
 
Tim Cook may not have a background in art and design but I think he's a very focused man. He's a master of efficiency, something that requires someone to be extremely focused. In his former job, he took steps to improve and simplify Apple's ability to get their products made, shipped, stored, and become available on the day a new product is officially announced. This allowed Apple to keep a product a secret until the minute it's available at an Apple Store. While handling distribution of products and supply chains aren't the same as design, some of the same thinking goes into it. When Jobs and Ive design a product, they think of what they no longer need and can get rid of and sophisticated, yet simple ways of having their products manufactured.

So I think in that sense, Cook has a very good understanding into hoy Jony Ive thinks, which is why he seemingly trusts him a lot more than some of Jobs' other longtime employees.


He mentions it in his book. He says Tim isn't exactly a product person and visibly shows some disappointment when he says that. Still, he personally picked Tim Cook to be his successor, meaning that he probably trusted him and the team as a whole at Apple.

Agreed :)
 
Tim Cook may not have a background in art and design but I think he's a very focused man.

Though he might have liked to think he did, Steve Jobs didn't have a background in art and design, either. In fact it's arguable that he didn't have any background to do any of the things that he accomplished in his lifetime. What he did have was a strong and very personal sense of aesthetics, which isn't even nearly the same thing. Many of his ideas about how things should look obviously had a more general appeal, but even some of those were highly idiosyncratic (such as his mania for rounded corners). He also had the ability to believe totally in what he believed at any given moment -- then change what he totally believed to something different, even contradictory, the next day. I don't care how smart you are, that's a high wire act. Steve died before he fell off, but it was bound to happen if he'd continued on for many more years. Cook is a more traditional businessperson, but I don't see that as necessarily being a bad thing for Apple at this stage of their growth.
 
He mentions it in his book. He says Tim isn't exactly a product person and visibly shows some disappointment when he says that. Still, he personally picked Tim Cook to be his successor, meaning that he probably trusted him and the team as a whole at Apple.

Except that Cook started off by putting a stake through the heart of the team when he got rid of Forstall and changed the dynamic that Jobs had put together.
 
Sounds like the Safari guy had the little boy's awe of the big boys. A phase we all went through. A bit cringeworthy in a mature man, however, who should be able to comment on it, with hindsight, with the voice of a fully adult male. Instead, he still couches things in terms of physical distance between him and the Sun God.
 
In this forum, it is amazing at times that in one paragraph, Tim Cook gets so much bashing and Steve Jobs gets so much praise.

Do these Steve Jobs fans forget that Steve Jobs personally picked Mr Cook to be his successor? How in all respect for their idol, Steve Jobs, can they now think they know better?

Do they actually know what goes on behind the closed and locked doors at Apple Inc.

Do they actually know more than Steve Jobs knew?

Cant wait to see when these bright people build their own multi-billion company.

Jobs also liked Sculley as CEO.
 
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