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All the malware out there is for Windows. ;)

And as long as Windows 7 keeps selling oh-so-well like Wintrolls love to remind us, this situation will continue.

Yes, this is true, but has more to do with marketshare than anything. Malware isn't written for the purpose of "hey, look me, I'm cool guyz!" it's created to make money for whoever wrote it. Are you going to try and exploit the system with 95% of the market, or the one with 3%. Which one will give you a better return on your "investment?"

The pwn2own contest demonstrated that Mac OS X is not inherently more secure than Windows; it has exploits just like any other system.
 
Ahhh, gotcha. So you are saying the Mac exploit was meticulously planned for weeks in advance, while Charlie Miller and co. just showed up on show day, with no prior planning, and hacked into a Windows machine just like that? Is that about right?

I have no idea what was done on the Windows side, so I won't comment on it. I just know that the headlines screaming "Macs exploited!" don't match the everyday reality. Lab experiments do not equal what we experience.

I'll be the first to get anti-virus software the moment they become necessary for the Mac. So far, they are not necessary. It's one headache Windows users have that Mac users do not have.
 
What about Steve Jobs doing the ads next? He can talk about some aspect like iPhoto, iWork, Expose, Spaces, or some topic and explain it in 60 seconds in a way only Steve Jobs could say it.

Another idea is to show a Mac and what it can do like those iPhone commercials.
 
Despite the commercials being blatant lies and false advertising.

Examples please?

It's funny how the haters keep clinging to this "Apple ads lie!" chestnut, yet if it were true you know Microsoft would have filed a lawsuit before you could say "Windows Phone 7 Series" (and no one here ever seems to be able to provide any concrete examples).

Enjoy your Microsoft-induced delusion.
 
Of course, but it's still a risk. It's just that no one writes stuff for OSX because of it's 4% market share.

No, that's not true or else the iPhone would be attacked night and day the way Windows is. It's not market share, it's software architecture. Linux and OS X have a better foundation than Windows. It's harder to get something to be effective on the Mac side because it requires user permission to propagate. On the Windows side, they can just take over with the user never noticing.

So it's less effective, and thus less lucrative, for them to target the Mac. But it has nothing to do with market share, no matter how many times that lie gets spread. If that lie were true, the iPhone would be the #1 target among smart phones, and it's not.
 
Not too surprising. Windows 7 was a failure. Zunes 1 through N were failures. Microsoft is flailing around trying to figure out where they're going next. Best for Apple to focus on what they do right rather than what Microsoft does wrong. Good marketing.
 
I don't care what the reason is, I only care about the "no one writes stuff for OSX" (regarding malware) part.

Apparently nine years later at 60 million+ users, we're still not that important for some reason. Hey, you won't hear me say boo. That's nine years of carefree, worry-free surfing with nothing to maintain, tweak, or babysit. As long as EmBallmer keeps spreading around more and more Windows flotsam, the only thing we have to worry about is what to do with all the processor cycles we're saving, and what case to get for our iPads.
 
Another thing about those ads is that it gave Apple fanboys talking points that they repeated over and over on youtube and other websites. Since it was obvious that they didn't know what they were talking about, since the commercials were basically just exaggerations, it helped in giving Mac users a bad name. It made many regular computer users just dislike them as people who know nothing about computers. I wonder if in 20 years those Mac users are going to compare the latest Macs to Windows 95/98.
 
No, that's not true or else the iPhone would be attacked night and day the way Windows is. It's not market share, it's software architecture. Linux and OS X have a better foundation than Windows. It's harder to get something to be effective on the Mac side because it requires user permission to propagate. On the Windows side, they can just take over with the user never noticing.

So it's less effective, and thus less lucrative, for them to target the Mac. But it has nothing to do with market share, no matter how many times that lie gets spread. If that lie were true, the iPhone would be the #1 target among smart phones, and it's not.

Last time I checked, iPhone didn't have anywhere near the same mobile phone marketshare that Windows does in the PC world. Also, there aren't many mobile phone exploits, period, compared to the PC. You say the iPhone is not the #1 target of phone hackers.....you know this, how?
 
Last time I checked, iPhone didn't have anywhere near the same mobile phone marketshare that Windows does in the PC world. Also, there aren't many mobile phone exploits, period, compared to the PC. You say the iPhone is not the #1 target of phone hackers.....you know this, how?

Because you'd see headlines everywhere if it were true, as you well know.

My point is that if you use market share as your argument, you have to figure out why that doesn't work with smart phones, of which Apple has a significant chunk. Steve Jobs just said in today's event that the iPhone has 64% share of mobile browser usage. That's about the same percentage as all Web users who browse with IE.
 
it helped in giving Mac users a bad name

Believe me, sitting next to our Macbooks, iMacs and iPhones, we didn't really care.

I don't think the negative opinions of people using the Worst Operating System Known To Man running on some generic box ever really mattered much. If you weren't on board the Apple train it was entirely your loss.
 
Not too surprising. Windows 7 was a failure. Zunes 1 through N were failures. Microsoft is flailing around trying to figure out where they're going next. Best for Apple to focus on what they do right rather than what Microsoft does wrong. Good marketing.

Windows 7 a Failure?
 
depends on what you consider effective. Since only apple sells apple computers, what metric exactly are we using to determine their effectiveness.

You can hate them if you like, it'll just be a statement about your tastes. But ignoring their effectiveness is sheer folly.

To me, these add's were ok about 4 years ago, and recently just look foolish. I personally like the "W7 was my idea" and since W7 is strong, a better campaign about what features and tasks can be accomplished in Snow Leopard is something more for my taste
 
I love the ads

It is like an old friend dying for these ads to be discontinued:( Nothing lasts forever, but there should be a lot of life left for these ads. I'm a Mac newbie (only 3 years), so maybe they're getting old to you old timers.
 
You're way off base. Advertising doesn't work that way. Few of the really great ads mention the competition at all. Look at the Mastercard 'Priceless' ads. Anything from McDonald's. Doritos ads. And so on. Side-by-side comparisons have extremely limited value even in print advertising. On TV, they're nearly useless.

???? Umm, that was exactly the point I made in my post.
 
Yes, this is true, but has more to do with marketshare than anything. Malware isn't written for the purpose of "hey, look me, I'm cool guyz!" it's created to make money for whoever wrote it. Are you going to try and exploit the system with 95% of the market, or the one with 3%. Which one will give you a better return on your "investment?"

That argument has been thoroughly debunked, so I won't bother here, but let's assume for a moment that it's correct and that the OS with lower market share will always be more secure than the one with higher market share.

That gives an even STRONGER reason for buying Macs. I don't think ANYONE sees a situation where Mac OS X market share will surpass Windows any time soon, so if your logic is correct, that's an even stronger reason for buying a Mac - it's GUARANTEED to remain more secure (using your logic).

The pwn2own contest demonstrated that Mac OS X is not inherently more secure than Windows; it has exploits just like any other system.

It doesn't prove any such thing.

TROJANS work on any platform. If you give someone access to the keyboard, you can infect any system on the planet. I don't want my OS to say "you're doing something I don't like, so I won't let you do it". The OS MUST do what the user tells them to do. The fact that the Mac is attacked first is more a function of the amount of visibility they get for hacking a Mac. Since all platforms can be equally affected, there's no point in wasting time discussing trojans. They are not the computer's fault.

The real security problem is self-propogating viruses. NONE of these exist for Mac OS X. Zero. Zip. Nada. Compared to hundreds of thousands for Windows.

Clearly, the Mac wins.
 
Good! those american mac ads made me want to smash the smug self satisfied mac guy over the head with a cricket bat.
 
MS can't create excitement to save their lives, while a mere announcement from Apple is enough to kill competitors' products in the womb.

Who cares about who creates the most excitement?

I like my Apple products, but when I see people outside an Apple store applauding the customers that just bought an iPad, like they saved the damn world or something, I'm just embarrassed for them. I don't like hype, and I don't like the sheep that rank an Apple launch event equal to or above their wedding day.

I haven't seen people cheering like monkeys for Windows 7, yet it already has a higher market share than OS X.
 
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