Apple's Growth Trails Smartphone Market in 3Q 2013, but Improves in Broader Mobile Phone Market

[tongxinshe]

The original post of this thread doesn't say that at all.

Not the original article, the post that I first replied to with this discussion thread.

I was comparing iPhone to "Android" phones, since that was what we were talking about.

No, not just iPhone vs. Android, we’ve been always saying “market share” all along the way.

As said, Apple’s market share has been always well below 20% in the last 2 years, so there is no way for its current market share to reach 20%.

 

[EbookReader]

Nice try. No. What I'm saying is that Xiaomi is not proof of your claim based on the currently available data. It may very well turn out to be. But I think the long term success of a low margin hardware strategy is unlikely.

My claim:

There is profits to be made selling high end smartphones at thin profit margin. Xiaomi has proved it.

How is Xiaomi making a profits not proof that there profits to be made selling high end smartphones at thin profit margin?

Does Xiaomi needs to make $1 billion in profit a year for the claim to be correct? (some kind of profit threshold to satisfy you?)
Does Xiaomi needs to make an OVERALL profit for the claim to be correct?

Once again, valuation is not proof of your claim.

I used PROFIT to prove Xiaomi has made a profit.
I used valuation to back up my argument that Xiaomi strategy is successful, not proof that Xiaomi is profitable.

Valuation is never a proof of a company making a profit. And it would be unwise to use as proof. You would have a point if I said

There is profits to be made selling high end smartphones at thin profit margin. Xiaomi has proved it with its high valuation.

 

[EbookReader]

From IDC:

81%, 12.9%, and 3.6%

 

[EbookReader]

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/13/5096680/motorola-moto-g-announced-price-availability

Moto G

8GB for $179 off contract / unlocked
16GB for $199 off contract/ unlocked

Specs:

4.5″ LCD 1,280 x 720 display
1.2GHz Qualcomn quad-core processor
1GB of RAM
8GB of flash storage
5MP rear-facing camera
1.3MP front-facing camera
2070mAh battery
Dimensions: 129.9 x 65.9 x 6-11.6mm
Weight: 143g

 

[EbookReader]