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There are other examples. Because of new regulatory requirements by the CCP a lot of western publishers had to remove their games from the Chinese app store. I bet that has cost Apple a lot of revenue from lost in-app purchases.
Probably not as much as the dma. And in addition apple didn’t have to rearchitect its app store-so that is a win-win.
 
And in addition apple didn’t have to rearchitect its app store-so that is a win-win.
The app store can stay exactly as it is, under the DMA. They could even double the fees if they wanted.
 
The app store can stay exactly as it is, under the DMA. They could even double the fees if they wanted.
No it can’t, because alternative app stores is not staying exactly the same, especially if your favorite app has moved to another App Store. Please don’t try to make it as nothing changes for anybody; customers, devs or apple.
 
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Please don’t try to make it as nothing changes for anybody; customers, devs or apple.
It would have been easier for Apple, to adjust their business practices and not engage in anti-competitive behaviour. The DMA was in the works for years. I'm sure Apple's lawyers knew exactly how this would end. It was quite predictable.
 
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It would have been easier for Apple, to adjust their business practices and not engage in anti-competitive behaviour. The DMA was in the works for years. I'm sure Apple's lawyers knew exactly how this would end. It was quite predictable.
Why would apple want to do that? They aren’t engaging in anti-competitive behavior. There are virtually no findings around the world for that. You just can’t say that in a forum and have that be the truth. Apples lawyers did know what was up and here we are today.
 
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The whole premise of the DMA is, that they are. Of course Apple will go to court over this question. What the outcome will be, I don't know. But my (un)educated guess is, that courts will side with the EU commission's line of reasoning. I think they have a strong case.

Also, related news from today: EU poised to fine Apple about 500 mln euros over music streaming.
The premise of the subtext of the dma integration of American tech, imo. But all of this is imo and we will see where this lands.

The fine will be appealed and will take forever to go through the appeals process.
 
It used to be 40 cents per MMS and was very unreliable. Most operators in my country have shut it down completely recently. Even the high fees were probably not enough to justify keeping those servers up anymore.

And SMS across borders are still very expensive in many plans. Better not to start a SMS chat with a friend in another coutry :).
For those that don’t do a lot of communication outside their country, this is why any carrier solution (RCS OR SMS) is going to be a non-starter.
 
I would rather the democratically elected officials of a state stood up for my rights rather than having them trodden on by another monolithic organisation.
If this is the true concern, that a monolithic organization is trodding on people’s rights, wouldn’t the RIGHT solution be to reject the sale and distribution of that organization’s goods and services in the region? If a region’s citizens can’t help but contually choose products made by monolithic organizations, then the government should step in to help them say, “No”.
 
The US does the same to the rest of the world, when it suits them, with tarrifs and similar trading barriers. The EU hasn't invented this game.
The EU DID invent the game of setting the rate of a fine NOT being related to the money they’re actually making IN the EU, but based on what they make in the world OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of the EU. In that way, they’ve stepped further than any other regulation of this type. That’s a step even China hasn’t taken.
 
As long as RCS can send/receive properly sized video/pictures, I can manage group chats, and we get some sort of E2E encryption I'm more than happy. Apple can keep their walled garden, as the years go by I've detached myself more and more from it anyway.
Apple’s solution supports the Generic Profile, which has no encryption. Anyone sending an RCS message to an iPhone will be sending it with a level of encryption that matches SMS. Which is to say, none.
 
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Music services isn't part of the core platform services defined in the DMA, only video services.
And I’m sure that carve out was specifically for the beleaguered Spotify that hasn’t figured out how to be profitable even while holding a share of the market that, if they were not an EU company, would have surely caught them in the EU’s money grab net.
 
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The RCS announcement was clearly a play by Apple to soothe the EU, as evident by them shadow dropping the news on the very last day they could officially „make their case“ in terms of being labelled as a gatekeeper. I don‘t think they backtrack on their promise though, that would most definitely prompt EU attention.
No, it was because China set it as a requirement for 5G support on new devices. Note how China didn’t label Apple or any other tech company as some made up term in order to hide the fact that they were trying to change the business practices of tech companies. They have a desire for all 5G devices to have interoperable messaging and RCS is it.

Just like the EU didn’t have annything to do with Apple’s change to USB-C, they didn’t have anything to do with Apple supporting RCS.
 
Well, not ALL companies. Specifically, the rules affect only non-EU companies. If that’s what the EU perceives as fair, then sure, it’s fair.

The EU have faced a lot of criticism in the past for their lenience on Apple, Amazon and Starbucks. I don’t think Apple can complain considering how much money they’ve been allowed to make via special loopholes etc. Apple also has parts of their business registered in the EU, so they are an EU company in some aspects.
 
The EU have faced a lot of criticism in the past for their lenience on Apple, Amazon and Starbucks. I don’t think Apple can complain considering how much money they’ve been allowed to make via special loopholes etc. Apple also has parts of their business registered in the EU, so they are an EU company in some aspects.

Very true. Never hear a peep about all of the tax Apple has dodged in Europe on here.
 
Apple’s solution supports the Generic Profile, which has no encryption. Anyone sending an RCS message to an iPhone will be sending it with a level of encryption that matches SMS. Which is to say, none.

Everyone keeps saying this as if it's etched in stone or they have a crystal ball. I highly doubt Apple would incorporate RCS without having helped improve the GSMA's RCS to include some sort of encryption.
 
Apple’s solution supports the Generic Profile, which has no encryption. Anyone sending an RCS message to an iPhone will be sending it with a level of encryption that matches SMS. Which is to say, none.
RCS is encrypted in transit, which is exponentially more secure than SMS.
 
Well, I’ve followed that approach during several years, because I really don’t like having WhatsApp installed (or any Meta app for that matter), and all I got was be disconnected from society. Most social groups or organizations use WhatsApp as a gathering/coordinating tool. Of course, at a personal level people can always phone, but for some reason, I don’t get many phone calls, if any.

You could say “time to make new friends”, but again, it’s pretty widespread the use of WhatsApp for everyone here in south Europe. If you’re not there, you’re out of most social circles.

I’m going to install Telegram, but I’ll probably install WhatsApp again once the damn usernames are operative (why is it taking them so long??).

But having the ability to communicate with everyone, app-agnostic, using my preferred one (iMessage) would really be a blessing.
I'm not seeing a problem here. I have no FOMO and people who are real friends keep in contact no matter the method. Most of us phone each other rather than text anyway.

WA is more used for groups than 1-2-1, but groups are more distracting that useful, a bit like "send to all" on email, too many messages I don't need to see.

WA is banned for school groups due to privacy concerns over META in our country. Signal is used instead.

Overall I barely use WA and I am not disconnected from society, the very few who insist on WA I contact them via that, but anyone else who is flexible we use iMessage.

The reason I prefer IM is it is on every device I own, and it's more secure and private than WA by a long distance.
 
Thank you! EU already destroyed web with their cookies crap. And I don't want zuke or any other googlenout to snoop on my iMessage data, ever.
 
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