Apple's iPad Pro vs. Google's Pixelbook

[justperry]

Much like any iOS device then?

First, that was a genuine question, no need to 'attack'.
Second, I think an iPhone is different than Pixelbook so your comparison doesn't make much sense.
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Significantly worse does not technically mean that the contrasting item is poor. And for what it is worth I’ve worked in visual arts for twenty years, and have few complaints.

My understanding when it was said like that is that the pencil was bad and the other one considerably more.

 

[Baymowe335]

I can agree that loosing iMessages takes a bit of getting used to and that WhatsApp is not quite there yet. We need a truly great cross platform app to the standard of iMessages.

You are mistaken, every single test of the camera including the technical tests have found the Pixel 2 to have a superior camera to the iPhone X. I'm a photographer and for me that is the most important aspect, I've tested both back to back and the Pixel runs rings around the iPhone X, I believe most of it to be software / processing related because the way Apple deals with image files is very destructive.

I don't have a problem with the screen on my XL maybe yours had a faulty screen? The colour is always the same so it more a case of getting used to a different white point. But I can see why that might be an issue for some. Each to their own.

I find the aluminum body brilliant and love the grippy back, I never use covers on my phone and have no worries with this while the few people I know with iPhone X, (only very few and my friends would normally all have updated by now, which says something) put covers on theirs as they are too slippery without. Again each to their own but I can't stand covers.

Companies change their mind, Apple saying they were never going to make a phone bigger than 4" comes to mind.

Anyway competition is only good, this is Google's second phone and I find that in many respects they have Apple beaten. That is good for everyone as these two juggernauts fight it out to make better hardware and software.
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I'm not mistaken on the iPhone X camera. Why are people struggling with this so much? Failure to read? iPhone X was rated higher in STILL pictures than the Pixel 2 by DXO. The Pixel scored 1 point higher OVERALL due to better video scores.

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

Unless we don't care about dxomark again, I am right.Point is, the iPhone X camera is on the same level with THE very best smartphone cameras, period.

Everything else is subjective, besides the awful screen. It's universally considered very second rate to Samsung panels and the Samsung Panel in the iPhone X that was rated the best screen ever tested.

Google and my data aren't going to mix if I can avoid it.

 

[PLondon]

I'm not mistaken on the iPhone X camera. Why are people struggling with this so much? Failure to read? iPhone X was rated higher in STILL pictures than the Pixel 2 by DXO. The Pixel scored 1 point higher OVERALL due to better video scores.

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I'm not mistaken on the iPhone X camera. Why are people struggling with this so much? Failure to read? iPhone X was rated higher in STILL pictures than the Pixel 2 by DXO. The Pixel scored 1 point higher OVERALL due to better video scores.

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

Unless we don't care about dxomark again, I am right.Point is, the iPhone X camera is on the same level with THE very best smartphone cameras, period.

Everything else is subjective, besides the awful screen. It's universally considered very second rate to Samsung panels and the Samsung Panel in the iPhone X that was rated the best screen ever tested.

Google and my data aren't going to mix if I can avoid it.

rk.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

Unless we don't care about dxomark again, I am right.Point is, the iPhone X camera is on the same level with THE very best smartphone cameras, period.

Everything else is subjective, besides the awful screen. It's universally considered very second rate to Samsung panels and the Samsung Panel in the iPhone X that was rated the best screen ever tested.

Google and my data aren't going to mix if I can avoid it.

In my experience with using both cameras extensively the iPhone X is only on par with the Pixel XL when there is plenty of light available as soon as you are shooting in a low light situation the Pixel is far superior.

Also however you try to twist it the Pixel 2 has the highest ever overall rating on dxomark.

Further if you do some research you'll find that the Pixel display is very accurate to it's choosen colour balance. Whether that is the balance you want or not is your choice.

Like I've said before unless you live in a bubble and don't use search engines, Facebook, Instagram, e-mail games, apps, or anything at all connected to the internet your data is already given away.

But each to there own, I wish all manufacturers keep pushing one and other to improve so that us consumers get the best possible tools at our disposal. So far in my experience as a photographer for over 20 years not one other mobile phone comes close to the overall results of the Pixel. Don't get me wrong the iPhone is great, even the iPhone 6 was good but in my opinion the Pixel has them all beat. Hopefully next year we can revisit this debate with even better phones all round. In the meantime we can all enjoy whichever phone makes us happy.

 

[mixel]

No tablet with mobile OS and browser is a computer replacement. . . . . . Period!

That makes no sense at all. Many of us use computers for a set range of things that can easily be achieved on an iPad.

Writers, artists, People who just browse and do email etc. It can and does replace a laptop/desktop for a lot of people already.

iOS multitasks very nicely now and has decent file management and storage support, why do you think people need trad computers too, other than specific software scenarios - which goes both ways?

 

[deanthedev]

"Google can't quite compete with Apple when it comes to software and performance due to issues with some unoptimized Android apps running on the Pixelbook."

When are people going to stop these lies?
Almost nothing is optimized on iPads.

Most apps just stretch the pixels for the larger screened iPad pros. It's a total joke to handle the software like that.
Even worse maybe there is no tablet version of an app so it's stuck with massive black space around it..

Android scales pixels for many screen sizes without these stupid issues.

Would you rather have a few apps built for tablets from the ground up but have tons of blurry, huge black space Or would you rather have all apps work in full screen with sharp pixels?

The former. Unlike Android, there’s a HUGE selection of iPad optimized Apps in The App Store. As in hundreds of thousands.

Scaling is just a hack. Optimizing for a tablet isn’t just scaling. It’s taking advantage of the screen real estate to offer better functionality. Like additional docks, toolbars or other controls that won’t fit on a phone screen.
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You are mistaken, every single test of the camera including the technical tests have found the Pixel 2 to have a superior camera to the iPhone X. I'm a photographer and for me that is the most important aspect, I've tested both back to back and the Pixel runs rings around the iPhone X, I believe most of it to be software / processing related because the way Apple deals with image files is very destructive.

I like how DXO scores the X and Pixel extremely close, yet you claim the Pixel “runs rings around” the iPhone.

Also, I’m still waiting for your list of Apps for me to compare between my many Android devices and iPhones.

 

[PLondon]

The former. Unlike Android, there’s a HUGE selection of iPad optimized Apps in The App Store. As in hundreds of thousands.

Scaling is just a hack. Optimizing for a tablet isn’t just scaling. It’s taking advantage of the screen real estate to offer better functionality. Like additional docks, toolbars or other controls that won’t fit on a phone screen.
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I like how DXO scores the X and Pixel extremely close, yet you claim the Pixel “runs rings around” the iPhone.

Also, I’m still waiting for your list of Apps for me to compare between my many Android devices and iPhones.

They are rated very closely together but I find in everyday use the Pixel 2 is far superior. This is my opinion and by no means scientific but as a photographer we often judge cameras by results and not by test numbers.

What did you want to know about apps?

 

[Baymowe335]

In my experience with using both cameras extensively the iPhone X is only on par with the Pixel XL when there is plenty of light available as soon as you are shooting in a low light situation the Pixel is far superior.

Also however you try to twist it the Pixel 2 has the highest ever overall rating on dxomark.

Also if you do some research you'll find that the Pixel display is very accurate to it's choosen colour balance. Whether that is the balance you want or not is your choice.

Like I've said before unless you live in a bubble and don't use search engines, Facebook, Instagram, e-mail games, apps, or anything at all connected to the internet your data is already given away.

But each to there own, I wish all manufacturers keep pushing one and other to improve so that us consumers get the best possible tools at our disposal. So far in my experience as a photographer for over 20 years not one other mobile phone comes close to the overall results of the Pixel. Don't get me wrong the iPhone is great, even the iPhone 6 was good but in my opinion the Pixel has them all beat. Hopefully next year we can revisit this debate with even better phones all round. In the meantime we can all enjoy whichever phone makes us happy.

I'm just telling you it was tested by people with more cred than you and the X was a better still camera than the Pixel 2 XL. Period.

You want to disagree, fine...but don't paint the Pixel 2 XL as an objectively better camera than the X when it isn't.

You're riffing.

I have way more personal info on my phone than my PCs or I give in any random Google search. A Google device is able to see WAY more of your personal info than just using Google.com or YouTube with a fake account like I do.

 

[PLondon]

I'm just telling you it was tested by people with more cred than you and the X was a better still camera than the Pixel 2 XL. Period.

You want to disagree, fine...but don't paint the Pixel 2 XL as an objectively better camera than the X when it isn't.

You're riffing.

I have way more personal info on my phone than my PCs or I give in any random Google search. A Google device is able to see WAY more of your personal info than just using Google.com or YouTube with a fake account like I do.

It has been tested by many people, some that might have more than my 20 years experience working as a photographer and most of them agree that the Pixel 2XL has a better camera. However I don't think you will listen to any argument or reason, so live inside your padded walls and enjoy it. In the meantime I'll explore everything that's available and happily use different brands whenever one is better than the other.

What kind of deviant material do you watch on YouTube when you need to try and hide your identity?

 

[meboy]

I'm not mistaken on the iPhone X camera. Why are people struggling with this so much? Failure to read? iPhone X was rated higher in STILL pictures than the Pixel 2 by DXO. The Pixel scored 1 point higher OVERALL due to better video scores.

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

Unless we don't care about dxomark again, I am right.Point is, the iPhone X camera is on the same level with THE very best smartphone cameras, period.

Everything else is subjective, besides the awful screen. It's universally considered very second rate to Samsung panels and the Samsung Panel in the iPhone X that was rated the best screen ever tested.

Google and my data aren't going to mix if I can avoid it.

In fact both cameras iPhone X and Pixel 2 are pretty bad and have a long way to go.
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That makes no sense at all. Many of us use computers for a set range of things that can easily be achieved on an iPad.

Writers, artists, People who just browse and do email etc. It can and does replace a laptop/desktop for a lot of people already.

iOS multitasks very nicely now and has decent file management and storage support, why do you think people need trad computers too, other than specific software scenarios - which goes both ways?

Exactly. They never needed computers. Thus, they didn't replace a computer with a tablet.
Only in name but not in function.
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The former. Unlike Android, there’s a HUGE selection of iPad optimized Apps in The App Store. As in hundreds of thousands.

Scaling is just a hack. Optimizing for a tablet isn’t just scaling. It’s taking advantage of the screen real estate to offer better functionality. Like additional docks, toolbars or other controls that won’t fit on a phone screen.
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Android does both. Scales perfectly well smaller apps to bigger screens And allows developers to make seperate tablet UI's.
There are many apps optimized for tablet on Android. Just not as many as iOS. With the added benefit of No apps looking like trash on any screen size. The better way is crystal clear. But I know Apple's marketing team can be amazing at making some simple thing hard to understand.

 

[TPadden]

Exactly. They never needed computers. Thus, they didn't replace a computer with a tablet......

NASA put man in space with slide rules; by that logic no one ever needed computers.

 

[Baymowe335]

It has been tested by many people, some that might have more than my 20 years experience working as a photographer and most of them agree that the Pixel 2XL has a better camera. However I don't think you will listen to any argument or reason, so live inside your padded walls and enjoy it. In the meantime I'll explore everything that's available and happily use different brands whenever one is better than the other.

What kind of deviant material do you watch on YouTube when you need to try and hide your identity?

Why do you assume deviant? I guess you are the one watching that because I wouldn’t even think”deviant” material exists on YouTube.

A company that tests cameras says the iPhone X has the best still camera tested but your freelance photography experience means more...how? Sounds like you’re the one living in padded walls.

If I had to guess, you didn’t realize the iPhone scored better in still images and now you’re just back peddling. Whatever...iPhone X has an awesome camera and no way you can call it objectively worse than the Pixel 2. Both have excellent cameras and iPhone has better processing, screen, design, and software.
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In fact both cameras iPhone X and Pixel 2 are pretty bad and have a long way to go.
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Exactly. They never needed computers. Thus, they didn't replace a computer with a tablet.
Only in name but not in function.
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Android does both. Scales perfectly well smaller apps to bigger screens And allows developers to make seperate tablet UI's.
There are many apps optimized for tablet on Android. Just not as many as iOS. With the added benefit of No apps looking like trash on any screen size. The better way is crystal clear. But I know Apple's marketing team can be amazing at making some simple thing hard to understand.

Oh, now they are both bad. I have a DSLR and while they aren’t that, they certainly are great cameras to carry in my pocket...slightly more convenient than a huge camera with a lens.

 

[PLondon]

Why do you assume deviant? I guess you are the one watching that because I wouldn’t even think”deviant” material exists on YouTube.

A company that tests cameras says the iPhone X has the best still camera tested but your freelance photography experience means more...how? Sounds like you’re the one living in padded walls.

If I had to guess, you didn’t realize the iPhone scored better in still images and now you’re just back peddling. Whatever...iPhone X has an awesome camera and no way you can call it objectively worse than the Pixel 2. Both have excellent cameras and iPhone has better processing, screen, design, and software.
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Oh, now they are both bad. I have a DSLR and while they aren’t that, they certainly are great cameras to carry in my pocket...slightly more convenient than a huge camera with a lens.

I don't watch YouTube at all as I have better things to do with my life, I just can't see why anyone would feel the need to go to the trouble to set up a fake account unless they have something to hide.

You keep ignoring the fact that many other testers besides myself have rated the Pixel higher than the iPhone. However I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.

 

[meboy]

NASA put man in space with slide rules; by that logic no one ever needed computers.

I don't think you know what logic means.

 

[TPadden]

Exactly. They never needed computers. Thus, they didn't replace a computer with a tablet......

I don't think you know what logic means.

We're even; I don't think you know what a computer is (by most definitions: not a slide rule, but certainly a tablet or smart phone qualifies) !

"Conventionally, a modern computer consists of at least one processing element (CPU), and some form of memory."

 

[Blu-ray1972]

I have the 12.9 iPad Pro and don't have issues with using it in my lap. I did not buy the Apple 1st party keyboard and went with a Logitech one which is sturdier.

 

[mixel]

Exactly. They never needed computers. Thus, they didn't replace a computer with a tablet.
Only in name but not in function.

Newsflash: you don’t get to define what a computer is. The accepted definition is nothing like the one you’re using.

Where on are you suggesting the line between a computer and “things which aren’t computers” is?

 

[meboy]

Newsflash: you don’t get to define what a computer is. The accepted definition is nothing like the one you’re using.

Where on are you suggesting the line between a computer and “things which aren’t computers” is?

There is no reason to care what the accepted anything is when most people in the world are idiots.
The amount of idiots that agree doesn't change that they're idiots.
Thinking it matters is bad.

In realistic terms computers perform advanced functions. Mobile OS's cannot perform a large percent of those functions.
They are quite different. There is nothing to argue about.
A "tablet" cannot replace a "computer" unless it can replace all those functions.

Someone does not "replace" a computer with a tablet. They replace a device that they used for certain functions with another device that can perform the functions they use.
They never needed those advanced functions or a "computer" but there was nothing else on the market that would perform those tasks until recently.

Maybe the word your looking for is "downgrade" and not "replace"
Like: "My mother downgraded from a computer to a tablet because it performed all the functions she needs. The computer had more functions and is more powerful, but she didn't need those."

 

[TPadden]

There is no reason to care what the accepted anything is when most people in the world are idiots. The amount of idiots that agree doesn't change that they're idiots. Thinking it matters is bad.

Point made, and proven! Back to my coloring book and crayons.

 

[aristobrat]

I love it when God makes a pronouncement directly from the burning bush ........ Amen!

I was thinking it kind of sounded like something a grumpy old man would say.

After the last reply, there’s zero doubt now.

 

[TPadden]

I was thinking it kind of sounded like something a grumpy old man would say.

After the last reply, there’s zero doubt now.

Yep, dang new fangled spell checker changed Cray XC50 to Crayons .........

That's not only ageism it's sexist!

 

[Baymowe335]

I don't watch YouTube at all as I have better things to do with my life, I just can't see why anyone would feel the need to go to the trouble to set up a fake account unless they have something to hide.

You keep ignoring the fact that many other testers besides myself have rated the Pixel higher than the iPhone. However I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.

Many other testers like the iPhone X more too. What we can agree on is Dxo is one of the few that scientifically measures results and puts numbers to categories. Individually reviews mostly say, “I think this picture looks better” and most of them aren’t even remotely experienced in photography or have any authority to make claims on cameras.

You basically said something wrong and now you’re backpeddling.

As far as YouTube...I don’t want Google to know I watch cooking videos because they’ll advertise Blue Apron to me.

 

[clubtech]

I think a bigger reason for NOT considering a Pixelbook, even for a chromebook fan, is not the price, but Google's lack of long-term support for their devices. Two years seems to be the upper limit, no where near long enough for a device this expensive.

Chromebook devices support is 5 to 6.5 years at the minimum.
Source: https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en

Pixel 2 phones software update support is 3 years.

 

[lparsons21]

Chromebook devices support is 5 to 6.5 years at the minimum.
Source: https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en

Support yes, but not what you think it is. I have a Pixelbook and 2015 Pixel chromebook. The warranty as extended on the 2015 was for 2 years, at the end of that time no repairs are offered by Google at all and for the most part, 3rd party repair is not there either. That same issue exists on the Pixelbook.

Call after the warranty and they'll try to help, but won't offer any repair services at all. That is a big issue that doesn't get the attention it deserves.

 

[clubtech]

I don't think hardware support is what I was referring to nor what the user I quoted was referring to either.

 

[manu chao]

I had the Ipad Pro 10.5 for a week, it did nothing better than my regular iPad that costed $250 on sale at Microcenter, so I'm like what kinda fool am I to pay another $500 just to have a stylus, thus I returned it.

What did you expect it to do better than your regular iPad?