My Brother-in-law built a custom water-cooled gaming PC reusing his current monitor and spent $3200. A few months later after his saving account recovered he bought a better display.Apple consumers*?
*typed this attempt at humor on a Mac Studio Ultra**.
**was NOT drunk at the time of purchase***.
***(but) currently intoxicated at the sense of power in this little box.
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HobeSoundDarryl
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That ship has mostly sailed. Since I'm a "working Mac" guy too, I definitely need Windows... not Windows for ARM... but the real thing so that I have compatibility with anything a client needs me to run.
Apple had decided to leave X86 behind. If you want to keep up with Apple, Silicon will now rule. If you want to preserve Bootcamp/Windows, the choices are:
- grab up one of the last Intel Macs and ride that terrific benefit of both platform in one box,
- embrace Silicon and hang on to an old Intel Mac perhaps repurposing it as your Windows machine,
- attempt to get by with Windows emulation via Parallels or similar (but that's Windows for ARM) or
- (do what I'm doing) return to the pre-X86 way of having both a Mac and a PC as separate devices.
Anyone who NEEDS full Windows compatibility and wants macOS to be up to date will pretty much have to get on the separates train soon enough. In the meantime, the last of the X86 Macs should still be great "both-in-ones" for at least a few more years.
I saddens me, I have been using Apple computers for more than a decade, even introduced my whole family into the ecosystem, and now I'll have to go back to Dell XPS/Surface/Thinkpad ?♂️
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I completely understand. The bulk of the crowd can be so anti-Windows that they don't... or don't care... but those of us who have had a genuine NEED for Windows have enjoyed the FANTASTIC benefit of having a full Windows PC and a full Mac in a single box- desktop or laptop- since Apple went Intel. That was a HUGE benefit so readily assumed away by those who don't share that need and can do everything they want to do within macOS only.
For some of us, Windows is essential (for work or clients) while Mac was nice to have but not essential. And for some of that type, when their Intel Mac conks, they may face an either-or decision instead of both and have to go full Windows to cover need, vs Mac to cover want.
One positive about Windows is that it generally doesn't deprecate hardware as fast as Apple does. So if you have an Intel Mac on which you can install Windows 10, you should be covered for just about all things Windows through 2028. That option should let many like us put off having to buy a new PC for at least a while.
On the other hand, if you must have Windows 11, it's pretty much a 2-computer purchase scenario or only 1 (and that 1 will be Windows).
In my own case, that working iMac is conking out, taking my best Mac, my best PC and my best monitor with it all at the same time. So even before the last event, I was already mentally committed to not buying another "all in one" anyway and was already thinking Mac Mini with M1 MAX and smallish-sized Windows NUC/Ryzen (Mac mini-sized PC) and I had been wanting an ultra-wide monitor for a long time anyway. So I let the near-death of my trusty iMac spur on a few purchases to set up the new world of separates (computers) and a single ultra-wide for BOTH of them.
PC makers are building some very powerful PCs in surprisingly small boxes. I suspect some people who need PC but want Mac might flip the laptop concept into carrying 2 little PC boxes in a bag and use hotel TVs or client monitors when traveling... or perhaps buy a portable laptop-sized monitor to cover the screen base too. Yes, that would be a heavier bag than a single Intel MB able to run both platforms in a light-weight case. But, that would basically make full desktop power be "with us"... kind of like a couple of bigger, heavier dongles.
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I completely understand. The bulk of the crowd can be so anti-Windows that they don't... or don't care... but those of us who have had a genuine NEED for Windows have enjoyed the FANTASTIC benefit of having a full Windows PC and a full Mac in a single box- desktop or laptop- since Apple went Intel. That was a HUGE benefit so readily assumed away by those who don't share that need and can do everything they want to do within macOS only.
For some of us, Windows is essential (for work or clients) while Mac was nice to have but not essential. And for some of that type, when their Intel Mac conks, they may face an eitherr decision instead of both and have to go full Windows to cover need, vs Mac to cover want.
One positive about Windows is that they generally don't deprecate hardware as fast as Apple does. So if you have an Intel Mac on which you can install Windows 10, you should be covered for just about all things Windows through 2028. That option should let many like us put off having to buy a new PC for at least a while.
On the other hand, if you must have Windows 11, it's pretty much a 2-computer purchase scenario or only 1 (and that 1 will be Windows).
In my own case, that working iMac is conking out, taking my best Mac, my best PC and my best monitor with it all at the same time. So even before the last event, I was already mentally committed to not buying another "all in one" anyway and was already thinking Mac Mini with M1 MAX and smallish-sized Windows NUC/Ryzen (Mac mini-sized PC) and I had been wanting an ultra-wide monitor for a long time anyway. So I let the near-death of my trusty iMac spur on a few purchases to set up the new world of separates (computers) and a single ultra-wide for BOTH of them.
Things are not that bad for people who need a more or less fixed workstation, as you say having an ultrawide monitor with dual input capability, two desktop computers and a keyboard/mouse with the ability to switch between them seamlessly should do the trick.
But, I work between two continents all the time so I'm royally fxxxed. The MBP16+Parallels is such a nice setup, every alternative feels like chaos. And my spreadsheet tells me there is no point in waiting until 2028 because its residual value will be terrible way before then (and that's a new major concern with very expensive windows machines too).
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
If I worked between continents, I probably grab up the last of the Intel MBpro and hope that Apple keeps selling Intel hardware "new" for as long as possible... because that would mean that macOS support for Intel rolls out in time for that much longer.
When I could no longer do that, I probably pack 2 laptops or maybe get one of those hard cases and go Mini Mac + Mini PC + Mobile Monitor route and perhaps no longer think laptop at all. This kind of thing...
...built for 2 computers and maybe a mobile monitor... much like camera cases...
OR maybe I switch to a mode of taking only a Windows laptop and saving anything I would rather do on a Mac until I return to wherever I keep my Mac. Windows is perfectly capable of writing email, creating office DOCs, etc, so I can get that kind of thing started on the machine I may HAVE to have with me and then polish it on the machine I might rather use when I get back to it.
When I could no longer do that, I probably pack 2 laptops or maybe get one of those hard cases and go Mini Mac + Mini PC + Mobile Monitor route and perhaps no longer think laptop at all. This kind of thing...
...built for 2 computers and maybe a mobile monitor... much like camera cases...
Yes, not nearly as nice as a skinny-but-powerful single laptop to cover all bases... but that option will be fading quickly in the next few years.OR maybe I switch to a mode of taking only a Windows laptop and saving anything I would rather do on a Mac until I return to wherever I keep my Mac. Windows is perfectly capable of writing email, creating office DOCs, etc, so I can get that kind of thing started on the machine I may HAVE to have with me and then polish it on the machine I might rather use when I get back to it.
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Now that's a level of commitment way over my limits ?
I'll probably keep an IPP12.9 and switch to a Windows laptop.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I hear you... and suspect many who NEED Windows but WANT Mac will do something similar: iPad or iPhone becomes THE Apple device and the next computer purchase is PC... not because that's what they would actually like to do, but because they MUST have Windows while Mac is only optional in their work or their dealings with clients.
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This article reads like an advertisement rather than an in-depth informative piece. It doesn't mention that the M1 Ultra has problems, or at least is not yet optimized, compared to the M1 Max. For various apps the Max is better, or not worse than the Ultra, or very close to the Ultra. The main benefit appears to be extra memory, but most users don't need that much, and the ones who do will probably opt for the Mac Pro so they can add even more memory.
Sorry to say, but MaxTech did an extensive video; and Apple did not invent the interconnect being used for UltraFusion; and in fact MaxTech was able to download materials that showed it was possible to have 4 dies connected together, so look for that on the M2 designs.
This is very poor reporting by MacRumors. Even though Apple may trademark certain names for tech, is does not always mean they invented them; *cough* Thunderbolt for instance.
Even so, I am sure Apple had their hands in the cookie jar when this stuff was been thought out.
This is very poor reporting by MacRumors. Even though Apple may trademark certain names for tech, is does not always mean they invented them; *cough* Thunderbolt for instance.
Even so, I am sure Apple had their hands in the cookie jar when this stuff was been thought out.
M1 Ultra is a very powerful chip. Wonder how much more powerful, Apple chips will be in the future.
It long been rumored that there would be a 4 M1 Max Dies connected together for the Mac Pro. MaxTech has done their homework at times, I also liked the 1 week old MacRumors video that gave us a good perspective of a 16" M1 Max MBP vs a Studio Mac M1 Ultra.
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Apple likely has a bigger share of professional PC sales than Intel. First, the typical Wintel PC sold has an average sales price of below $500. Apple sells nothing below $699, and it's ASP is around $1,400, firmly within Pro territory. The Pro market is certainly less than 20% of the total PC market, and Apple has 9% of the total market by units meaning it has close to half of the Pro market. Intel doesn't even have the rest, since AMD has a strong presence in the x86 compatible pro market.
You'll be glad to know that it will, since HDMI 2.0 has been re-labelled as HDMI 2.1 with no mandatory requirements over the original HDMI 2.0 spec:
When HDMI 2.1 Isn't HDMI 2.1 - The Confusing World of the Standard, "Fake HDMI 2.1" and Likely Future Abuse - TFTCentral
When HDMI 2.1 Isn't HDMI 2.1 - The Confusing World of the Standard, "Fake HDMI 2.1" and Likely Future Abuse
tftcentral.co.uk
So you will get 2.1, you just might not get any of the improvements you're expecting.
It’s absolutely a typo. It should say:
”There's a Media Engine included in the M1 Max that's designed to accelerate video processing without heavily impacting battery life. The M1 Ultra has double the media engine capabilities of the M1 Max, with more video encode and decode throughput”
Wow. You’re so important.
Seriously. What a comment to make. Are you 12?
My dads better than your dad ?
I was talking about Intel because it’s the only x86 option Apple offers.
There is almost no “hard professional” using MacOs for anything other than personal time, for work everybody uses Win x86 but the IT guys who can use Linux too.
I mean, the people designing stuff at Apple, they use win x86. Selling a “pro” computer that not even the company manufacturing the computer can use for their work, is pretty oxymoronic.
By the way, it’s not about the price, it’s about compatibility. You don’t need a 10000 dollars computer to design the chassis of an iPhone, an 800 dollars generic computer is good enough as far as it’s compatible with the software and external devices (x86, plenty of ports), like those one can see when sketchy images of the next iphone’s design are leaked.
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I imagine there would be some serious heat dissipation issues if you tried to stack these components one on top of the other.
Jade 4C-Die in this graphic is either wrong, outdated, or refers to an M2 product.
I guess outdated is the most likely: they did at one point consider interconnects on both edges of what became the M1 Max to make a 2x2 grid, but have clearly abandoned that idea since — or pushed it to the M2.