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Apple's M5 Max Chip Achieves a New Record in First Benchmark Result

AsprineTm said:
Geekbenches for the pro are in

M5 Pro (18-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 4,242
  • Multi-core score - 28,111

M5 Max (18-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 4,268 (M5 Max is 0.6 percent faster)
  • Multi-core score - 29,233 (M5 Max is 4 percent faster)

M4 Max (16-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 4,049
  • Multi-core score - 26,509

M3 Ultra (32-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 3,247
  • Multi-core score - 28,169
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The Ultra in multicore does not scale well in GeekBench, but it does on other benchmarks.
 
AsprineTm said:

M5 Pro (18-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 4,242
  • Multi-core score - 28,111

M5 Max (18-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 4,268 (M5 Max is 0.6 percent faster)
  • Multi-core score - 29,233 (M5 Max is 4 percent faster)
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The double memory bandwidth and memory cache (48MB on M5 Max vs Pro’s 24MB) is the likely difference in multi core score.
 
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AsprineTm said:
Geekbenches for the pro are in

M5 Pro (18-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 4,242
  • Multi-core score - 28,111

M5 Max (18-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 4,268 (M5 Max is 0.6 percent faster)
  • Multi-core score - 29,233 (M5 Max is 4 percent faster)

M4 Max (16-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 4,049
  • Multi-core score - 26,509

M3 Ultra (32-core CPU)​

  • Single-core score - 3,247
  • Multi-core score - 28,169
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I'm interested in the 20 core OpenCL and Metal scores, although I suppose halving the 40 core Max scores will get pretty close.
 
perrymason1980 said:
As I posted in another thread, I think the drop is for two reasons:

(1) the M5 is the limit of the M1 architecture, and 12 p-cores had become unwieldy to manage in a laptop's thermal and noise envelope (the M4 Max, which I own, can get quite noisy when fully pushed, although thankfully it is silent 97% of the time);

Even if they could swing 12 p-cores somewhat acceptably, they probably see the writing on the wall as the 2nm shrink will provide ever-diminishing returns.

(2) the new chiplet architecture, surely inspired by AMD and Intel, will allow them to finally take better advantage of the traditional power and thermal advantages of the desktop. In other words, expect the Mac Studio to have more super cores. They might give us 12 super cores, 6 p-cores, etc. There will be a real distinction again b/t desktop and laptop.

And whether it's the M5 Studio, or M6, or the next Ultra, I'm also expecting the GPU to be unleashed with higher power draw and more cores. That's my prediction.

The M4->M5 GPU gain was 40% or so (raster performance), yet only 20% for the M4 Max to M5 Max. I suspect it's due to power draw limitations of the laptop architecture. Going forward, Apple may now have the flexibility to create its own quasi-GPU cards, and my sense is they are positioning to challenge Nvidia on both the graphics and AI front.
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I agree and I also think they are going to be _more_ thermal constrained with the MBP redesign so they didn’t want to release an M5 that wound up faster than the M6 when pushed hard.

Also have an M4 Max, absolutely silent unless you’re pushing the CPU+GPU very hard with ML workloads or sometimes intense gaming, yep.

I also think the Studio may have more Super cores too, an Ultra could get a price bump perhaps to $4999 starting to cover the margins. We’ll see.
 
Interesting there’s only one CPU in the processor benchmark list (AMD and Intel) that has a better score.

A 64 core AMD Threadripper Pro.

M5 Ultra (assuming that is coming) will crush it.

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chucker23n1 said:
I think you'd have a hard time coming up with a real-world scenario where a Threadripper PRO 9995WX is actually 4.18 times as fast as an M3 Ultra.
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Yes thats what I wrote; "just an example as to why there could be niche situations of someone wanting to spend $$$ more on an AMD chip"
 
What wasn't mentioned in the article is that the M5 has 4 times the performance for AI on GPU.
 
ghostface147 said:
That’s it! Trading in my M4 Max 16” MBPro for an M5 Max same model, must open Excel up to 15% faster!
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I traded mine in, they offered me $3000 AUD for my 14” M4 Max and the new M5 Max is $5200. I use it daily for work, can write it off for tax and a $2200 price difference for a computer with a WiFi 7 chip is worth it. I have UniFi XGS AP’s throughout our house iPhone 17 Pro Max gets 1850-1900Mbps. The most I can get with the WiFi 6E MBP 14” M4 Max is 1440Mbps.
 
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User 6502 said:
This doesn’t look like a huge upgrade, in fact it’s a bit disappointing. Oh well, let’s hope M6 family brings more innovation. And most importantly more ram for local models.
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The big upgrade is in GPU (and not necessarily in geekbench GPU tests, but real apps) and the new security features in M5 generation.
 
brewcitywi said:
To be honest, with all the product cycles overlapping, I can't keep track of M3, M4, M5 etc. I have a Mac Studio M2 Max and I already feel behind the times!
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Does it do the work you want it to do fast enough?

Then its good enough for now, and still likely under warranty.
 
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mozumder said:
Really hope they come out with a M5 Ultra with 1TB+ memory Studio.. literally everyone wants to run local LLMs. Come on Apple!
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This is the Silicon Valley echo chamber at its peak. “Everyone”…83% of humans on this planet have not used Gen AI yet
 
brewcitywi said:
To be honest, with all the product cycles overlapping, I can't keep track of M3, M4, M5 etc. I have a Mac Studio M2 Max and I already feel behind the times!
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Why do you need to keep track? Enjoy your machine if it suits your needs, upgrade when it stops being able to. You don’t have to follow release of new machines or chips unless you want to. At the moment the M series is pretty much the only area where Apple being some innovations, although it goes slower than many would want. Definitely not too fast.
 
MysteriousStain said:
I hope people make their money back within two years on their Ultra investments as they always get smoked by the the next Max.
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If you are buying a computer with an aye towards breaking even on the resell, you are doing everything wrong.
Getting resell value at all is a step up from Windows world, but you aren’t breaking even. That just isn’t how it works.
 
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brewcitywi said:
To be honest, with all the product cycles overlapping, I can't keep track of M3, M4, M5 etc. I have a Mac Studio M2 Max and I already feel behind the times!
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Aye, same.

I've been waiting for the M4 (and now M5) Studio Ultra to be introduced before entertaining an upgrade.

My M2 Max does everything (and more) that I need it to do!
 
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MysteriousStain said:
I hope people make their money back within two years on their Ultra investments as they always get smoked by the the next Max.
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If you need the power now you buy now, always. It’s a tool, it doesnt matter how good next year’s will be if you need it right now

And for most folks who *need* that level of raw power locally for work even if it just shaves an hr off their work per week that they can use for other tasks it pays for itself in just a few months
 
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chars1ub0w said:
Think you missed the technical bit that others have pointed out. Having more memory bandwidth, a difference between Pro and Max, didn’t help CPU scores.
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More memory bandwidth helps only if you have enough cores to saturate it, and even then only makes a difference int workloads that require more bandwidth.
 
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