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Apple's Mac Pro Shipping Estimates in U.S. Move to 5-6 Weeks
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Yup. And their union will bitch that they deserve double and encourage their workers to complain about every damn thing under the sun and claim it's because they care about the product.
Elitist much?Think of the larger social problem of having 100,000 unemployed in your town.
You think?
I agree, we will NEVER return to the good old days as long as anyone can make a comment like this with a straight face.
What? It is very much possible. It's just that the american citizen doesn't want the increased cost of production passed on to them as a consumer.
America still has assembly lines. Our nation grew on them. Grab a history book.
As others have pointed out, the "shipping delays" can be attributed to several things:
1) Production capacity was baselined for ONLY "average" demand (not initial spike)
2) Underestimation of initial demand/spike
3) Critical part availablity issues (e.g. INTEL CPU).
Regardless, shipping times should continue to improve as production capacity, part availability, and demand reach equilibrium.
1) Production capacity was baselined for ONLY "average" demand (not initial spike)
2) Underestimation of initial demand/spike
3) Critical part availablity issues (e.g. INTEL CPU).
Regardless, shipping times should continue to improve as production capacity, part availability, and demand reach equilibrium.
First part: Aren't the citizen's of this country better off having jobs rather than some place like China, Taiwan, Vietnam?
Second part: Then those jobs had better come back stateside quick. Most of 'those countries' are getting the work because of the lax regulations and severe restraints on 'freedom/whatever'. THAT is why so damn much is 'Made in China'. Pay the people peanuts, slop chemicals everywhere, use real people to handle toxic messes, replace them when they get 'broken'.
Meanwhile, China gets a HUGE leg up on everything technological. We will end up bowing to the Chinese at some point in our future. Thanks Wall Street, thanks Chamber of Commerce, thanks stupid politicians. But the Chinese aren't stupid. They have learned a lot from our technology that we are too short sighted to build ourselves. (Also the prices didn't go down, but executive pay sure went up!)
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As others have pointed out, the "shipping delays" can be attributed to several things:
1) Production capacity was baselined for ONLY "average" demand (not initial spike)
2) Underestimation of initial demand/spike
3) Critical part availablity issues (e.g. INTEL CPU).
Regardless, shipping times should continue to improve as production capacity, part availability, and demand reach equilibrium.
The company that I had to close down last year built systems with Intel processors, and Intel was great at flouncing the market. Staging 'shortages' due to 'unforeseen issues' and we'd have to wait weeks or months for stock. Just like the damn oil companies and the price/availability of gas. It's all a game...
Apple has looked into all of this and there isn't the capacity to make the quantities they need here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
After reading that article, I'm happy to be a little more patient for my Mac Pro.
Why should they have jobs over the people here? At what time does 'patriotism' mean the people in this country don't deserve the 'yellow shower'?
I'm considered an extreme right-wing wacko, but I honestly don't understand why I should be bothered that some people overseas have jobs and better lives now. They're human beings -- the United States doesn't deserve some special employment privilege.
It's just reality. Companies will always use cheaper labor, unless there's some advantage to not doing so. You can try tariffs, but that just pushes problems somewhere else.
I'm considered an extreme left wing wacko. What the entire planet needs is universal unions, good union wages and boycotts and sanctions against companies and countries that refuse to comply. The US needs to be restored to the 1950's and all other countries brought up to that level, not the reverse which has been de rigueur since 1980.
Start with 95% taxes on outsourced goods and profits. And vigorous enforcement against black markets. That would do it.
Yes, the hard way but there is no easy way.
I still call bull ****. There are plenty of empty factories that can be bought. There's huge unemployment in the US. There's hundreds of thousands here who are probably much brighter citizens that will work for minimum wage on an assembly line. It simply comes down to this: Apple does not want to hire full time employees with benefits nor does it want to pay US taxes more than it has too.
And I'm not blaming just Apple, but every other company out there doing the same.
I don't care what NYT article you linked. The fact is, it can be done in the US.
What are these empty factories you speak of in plentiful quantities? Are they all located close together?
Absolutely, the tragedy of millions of middle class jobs lost and replaced by hundreds of thousands of retail and service sector jobs. Wait, what were you complaining about?
Australia has the same shipping times as well, 5-6 Weeks.My order is Still sitting on Processing items. I got my new 27 inch Thunderbolt display - Can't use it until the Mac Pro arrives.
Have you never driven around in the US? I pass by quite a few having lived in 3 different states and visit 5 frequently.
They are either completely empty or only partially used. Some have recently been knocked down to build a shopping plaza.
What I'm trying to say is, it's easy for Apple to pick up a few of these facilities and manufacture a component of a product or run an assembly line of all the parts being delivered.
Heck, even in crowded New Jersey they tore down a GM or Ford plant (can't remember) to build several stores there. Apple could've bought that up with plenty of sqftg and land for using solar energy to power most of it.
I wouldn't say it's easy for Apple to just setup a factory in a closed GM plant. Apple said what they said in the NY Times articles regardless of you calling it bull. Built in the USA would be a huge marketing advantage and one of the large tech companies would have done it by now if it can be done. But it can't.
It is, they just don't want to do it.
The company I worked for moved out of their old building 150,000 sqft into a 600,000 sqft to expand their manufacturing (laser cutting, welding, etc). It took 2 years because of EPA issues. The previous building was used to make plastic products and the company was shut down because of regulations. I'm sure if it was Apple or someone else, they would've got it done in 3-6 months by paying a team full-time to process the cleanup and approvals quicker.
Apple could also just knock it down and build something in its place, depending what's more feasible to them.
Not just saying Apple, just using them as an example. Any company can do it.
Exactly the point.
Manufacturing moves slower in the US because of strict regulations. Asian factories are able to quickly change assembly lines, which is vital for tech.
I am not getting into weather the regulations are good or bad. Just pointing out that stuff holds up factories.
Also, Asian factories are running around the clock. I don't think such shifts would be very popular in America given the bad press Wal-mart and Amazon get for their part-time heavy workforce.
The 2103 Mac Pro probably should be called the 2014 Mac Pro.
I still want one though...
Just bought one from Amazon yesterday, delivered today.
I'd rather live in a country that had stiff regulations that ensured a safe and clean environment. I mean, at some point, the bean counters have to stop figuring x number of cancer victims into their equations and look at the numbers as PEOPLE that are potential customers and that deserve to live a good life and die of old age rather than exotic types of cancer and have to bury their kids because of the polluted water/air.
It's amazing that we send our young to foreign lands to 'defend our rights', and so far it seems like those rights are to live in cesspool corporate polluted communities and die young from cancer because it's 'cheaper' for the company to pollute and buy political influence than to run a clean operation.
A major chemical company is upstream from my city. They, instead of treating their messed up batches of product and disposing of them properly, just dumped the crap into the river. They have been paying for cleanup, but the money they have spent on lobbyists and outright buying politicians could have cleaned up their mess twice over. It's all a sick sick game they play...
My dad fought in four wars overseas to protect the 'American Way Of Life'.
It's pretty much dead and rotting...
How long can we survive until the corporations bring jobs back to this country because it's the next hell hole with cheap labor and no regulations. It pisses me off. You want to die of cancer to have a job you're too sick to work, fine. Count me out!
Suicide by Capitalism isn't a good sounding way to die...
As I said in my previous post- I am not getting into a regulations debate. That is off-topic for the purpose of this thread and would turn into a new discussion.
Regardless, regulation serves as a barrier to producing the supply of phones and tablets.
Problem with Asia is there is no regulations. They are the opposite of environmentally friendly. Lots of factories have contaminated surrounding areas (land, water, and air). Have you seen the amount of smog out there? It's worse than that of NJ/NY here in the US.
Even with my prior post, it still doesn't mean manufacturing can't be done in the US. Manufacturing is still happening and continues to do so.
Your post implies it's not going to happen at all and that's wrong. It still does happen and it is possible for more companies to do so. These companies just don't want to do it.
Meanwhile, labor prices overseas are continually increasing too. As a company moves in, they take advantage of their workforce. However, the workforce they employ eventually gets paid, even if small, to survive and grow an economy in that city. As more and more have jobs and flourish, they demand more income.
Lots of companies left other countries because of this. Nike was a prime example.
Even if a company has to increase a person's wage from 50 cents per day to a 100 cents per day, that's a big expense. It becomes a point of, is it really cheaper to manufacturer overseas now? If a product recall happens, that adds to the cost of shipping back and forth.
Sure Apple has a nice profit margin, so a 50 cent wage increase probably won't matter. But there are a lot of smaller companies overseas that sell to Walmart where if their cost increases a nickle, they may have to shut down their operations.
Lots of companies fail to realize the effects of their actions. A quick buck saved can cost multi-millions later.
Build factories in china now - wages increase - build factories in another country - wages increase - the cycle continues but how much $ was saved if you keep building factories, having to move or buy new equipment, spend time hiring a labor force, etc?
The less profitable ones are realizing this and have moved back to their home country as the tax incentives for moving into select metro areas can be more helpful. Kansas City and Austin are two prime examples.