Steve Adams
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Android is used by the largest "target" of them all.I'm not sure how you would measure that.
Another way of looking at it is that iOS is used by some extremely valuable targets.
Android is used by the largest "target" of them all.I'm not sure how you would measure that.
Another way of looking at it is that iOS is used by some extremely valuable targets.
Keep in mind that routers can be configured (and many are by default) to automatically punch holes through the firewall if UPnP is used by devices. So, ports can be "helpfully" opened for you, without you having explicitly opened it yourself.I wonder how many people that affects in practice. At home, you'll generally have a router with NAT, so you'd have to explicitly open the port. At colleges, workplaces, etc., there would be a firewall.
I’ll be more clear.Most reasonably modern routers should block this by default. That means any ISP provided equipment, name brand routers, firewalls like OPNsense, etc, unless you explicitly create a port forwarding entry.
If you have a strange setup with the Mac directly connected to a cable modem (small box with a coax input and an Ethernet output), and your IP is something other than:
- 10.0.0.0/8
Range: 10.0.0.0 to 10.255.255.255
Example: 10.0.0.1 to 10.255.255.254- 172.16.0.0/12
Range: 172.16.0.0 to 172.31.255.255
Example: 172.16.0.1 to 172.31.255.254- 192.168.0.0/16
Range: 192.168.0.0 to 192.168.255.255
Example: 192.168.1.1 (common for home routers), 192.168.0.1
Then yes, you'd be at risk as modems do not have firewalls, that is what a router/firewall is for.
What are the downsides of turning IPv6 off for a home user?It might should be noted that several ISPs in the U.S. (at least), eg Comcast, have been enabling IPv6 on their consumer-rented routers without really advising customers that it is happening, or requiring opt-in. WHEN this happens, while there IS a firewall that runs on the router, your LAN-local devices that were once 'protected' by an IPv4 NAT firewall suddenly are ass-out on the internet, relying nearly entirely on whatever firewall is running locally, IF a firewall is even running locally. Worse, older hardware—like multifunction printers—often had IPv6 enabled, but often not particularly well-tested (ie buggy), and had firmware vulnerabilities and static passwords (or passwords based on MAC address) that attackers have long since targeted… this gives an attacker a secondary vector: they get control of a mfc, and can then jump (from inside the same subnet) to other vulnerable devices that would ordinarily have been protected by firewall, but because firewall rules often allow LAN-local peer-to-peer communications (as Apple's firewall in macOS does), are bypassed.
This problem is going to get worse as more ISPs do this nonsense and A.I. fuzzes out more and more vulnerabilities in older code. IPv6 is great, but it cannot and should not be entered into lightly. And irresponsible ISPs have been throwing non-tech-savvy customers into the deep end of the pool without floaties.
No, the AirPort's port being closed does not indicate anything about devices on your LAN.I’ll be more clear.
I have the cable modem connected to airport extreme and which is set to distribute 10.0.1.100+ addresses via DHCP, with other devices on the network assigned fixed IPs in the .2 to .99 range. Eeros provide the wifi backbone but don’t distribute IPs on the main network, but do on the Guest Network 197.x which leads to Double NAT but I don’t care about that on the Guest network and it doesn’t seem to cause SSL issues for the most part.
So if 10.0.1.1 (the Airport) has 5900 closed, does that mean all the rest of the 10.0.1.X addresses do to?
What are the downsides of turning IPv6 off for a home user?
How vulnerable is a computer behind a cable modem, etc. with a local IP address (10.0.*.*, 192.168.*.*)?
Android is used by the largest "target" of them all.
Keep in mind that routers can be configured (and many are by default) to automatically punch holes through the firewall if UPnP is used by devices. So, ports can be "helpfully" opened for you, without you having explicitly opened it yourself.
I'm no expert, but it is my understanding that at least on macOS any application can control a router/gateway that has UPnP enabled. You don't need OS support for that. This does not seem to apply here if the Screen Sharing feature does not include a UPnP client.Yep, although I believe macOS has no built-in UPnP client, so it won't ask your router to do that. So I don't think that scenario applies here.
You missed what I said. the BIGGEST target of them all is using android. IE the pres. Wealthy people use apple for the status symbol and more than likely tim just gave them their phones.In absolute numbers, yes, but a lot of high-profile targets — politicians, wealthy people, etc. — favor iOS.
I'm no expert, but it is my understanding that at least on macOS any application can control a router/gateway that has UPnP enabled. You don't need OS support for that. This does not seem to apply here if the Screen Sharing feature does not include a UPnP client.
You missed what I said.
Exactly. You are still missing what I am saying. The "president" of the US is using android.Yes, of course a third-party app could implement its own UPnP client. But given that macOS itself doesn't appear to ship with one, and that UPnP is kind of a competing technology with Bonjour, it strikes me as unlikely that screensharingd specifically would use UPnP.
I did not.
Malicious actors don't just go by "biggest" target. They also go by most lucrative target.
One of the reasons so many security issues are found on iOS is that it is extremely lucrative for state actors to find security issues they can use against journalists and dissidents.
Exactly. You are still missing what I am saying. The "president" of the US is using android.
Oh god, not this again. Someone makes a comment about apple having issues. Then, said fans come out and state apple has better. Then proven wrong. then the famous comment
"where did I say (insert other product, OS, etc) didn't have said feature.
Got it. have a great day, enjoy your day!
I have provided many examples of my last 5 years working with all devices at the provider level. Whether someone chooses to not to agree with me is on them not me.Nah. "There seems to be way more security flaws for Apple these days than any other platform out there" was your assertion, and is up to you to defend.
So for such a late response, but Matter and a lot of newer IoT gear expect IPv6, and won't work properly without it enabled. Also some Apple technologies like AirDrop and Handoff require it. With better 'consumer' gear you can enable local IPv6 without it also getting routed. Like IPv4, there are basically four kinds of IPv6 addresses defined in the RFC: Loopback; Link-Local (LLA; think 169.254.x.y addresses), which are not locally routed and are dynamically determined by individual hosts; Unique Local Addresses (ULA; think 192.168.1.x or 10.x.y.z), which are not globally routable; and Global Unicast Addresses (GUA), a routable globally-unique address. It is the GUAs that ISPs have started enabling recently, and not informing customers it is happening.What are the downsides of turning IPv6 off for a home user?
Can confirm that macOS Mojave is vulnerable, noticed in my /etc/sudoer.d/ folder was a PWN file that gives sudo -s root access without a password, deleted that file and it returned back to normal where it requests a password but don’t think Apple’s gonna provide any security updates for all the older versions, just another way to push everybody to the new three new macOS versions and hardware.
I’m trying to upgrade to Remote Utilities but they Mojave client is broken, looks like my only fix is to use core patcher and force to a non 32 bit macOS.
Does anybody know any other remote access tools available that are secure?
This is an older 2012 Mac mini running Mojave, use it at a small church to do some Printing, nothing mission critical.Hi JosephAW and thanks for sharing. Curious did you have Screen Sharing enabled or did they get in anyway? Was your computer open to the Internet or just local (e.g. via firewalls)?
To your question about remote access, is your need GUI or just command-line?
This is an older 2012 Mac mini running Mojave, use it at a small church to do some Printing, nothing mission critical.
It’s connected to the DMZ on the router and requires Apple Remote Desktop login and then user login before seeing the desktop. Screen sharing is always turned on with the firewall turned on as well in stealth mode.
I would never stick a PC on the DMZ but the days of secure Mac are over.
It would be nice if Apple would patch with a security update all affected Intel versions just as Apple has done something similar for iPhones providing updates all the way back to iOS 9 in the past, even if it was just a manual install have a one time installer file.
It would be nice if there was a website or tool that you could run to see if a Remote computer is vulnerable or not that way you could test different things trying to resolve it, I don’t know if it’s possible to copy the libraries and binaries from Intel version of Sequoia of ScreensharingD to