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This is a good step in the right direction. Next create a stiff hinge so that the screen will hold itself up without needing a back support, and make the keyboard stiff so that it will sit on your lap, maybe by encasing it in a sleek aluminium case. Then give it a 16" screen so that you have enough screen real estate to do your work. Add some bigger speakers. And a bunch of ports. Then put a Linux based OS in it. And boom, the perfect iPad :D

Why would putting a toy Unix-clone on it improve it?
 
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The real reason why they are doing this now is because the Surface and devices like it are getting a trackhold and a lot of people like the 2-in-1 experience and apple has to respond. If it wasn't for the Surface line, you wouldn't have the apple pen, any mouse or keyboard support in iOS which everyone wants and you wouldn't have the stupid touch bar on the macbooks, which actually might have been a good thing!
Microsoft and Surface lost the war because they couldn't match apple ecosystem--apps, media, phone, etc.
The device itself is really good and Apple will never match the Surface type cover design. I am surprised
it took apple this long to get to this point, if indeed they have
 
Amazing the amount of people feeling defensive because the iPad might be finally getting the option for the much needed text editing support.
 
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iPads are just adopting the form factor of laptops. not really too creative

i wonder what Steve would have thought, and I don’t mean it as a joke.

Would he see the ultimate converge of OS X with ipad OS, or would he have said no way! while some of you would say who cares what he would have thought, he did have amazing vision on how products should be and what they should do.

personally I would choose a MacBook Air over an iPad with trackpad and keyboard. ipads are way too restrictive, and apple’s control is unbearable.
 
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Why would putting a toy Unix-clone on it improve it?
So that I can download and use all the *nix software that I use for my work on a daily basis.

All you people who think iPadOS and iPads will replace macOS and MBP/MBA are seriously delusional. MBP/A are an extremely popular choice for software developers, partly because it is a brilliant piece of hardware, and partly because the *nix based OS is really nice for our jobs. Yeah, of course, we can use Windows, but Apple is much nicer. I can't imagine many devs would be happy using an iPad, and most would find it completely impossible. If Apple kills the MBP/A, then they will lose a LOT of customers. And yes, I do think they care, as they have been losing a lot of customers already, thus why they started the Pro Work Group, and thus why we now have new iMac Pros, Mac Pros, and the 16" MBP.
 
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iPads are just adopting the form factor of laptops. not really too creative

i wonder what Steve would have thought, and I don’t mean it as a joke.

Would he see the ultimate converge of OS X with ipad OS, or would he have said no way! while some of you would say who cares what he would have thought, he did have amazing vision on how products should be and what they should do.

personally I would choose a MacBook Air over an iPad with trackpad and keyboard. ipads are way too restrictive, and apple’s control is unbearable.

A MacBook Air is not too useful in a lot of situations where an ipad is. Like when you are walking around at a site, or when you are just consuming media on your lap.

Different tools for different jobs.
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So that I can download and use all the *nix software that I use for my work on a daily basis.

All you people who think iPadOS and iPads will replace macOS and MBP/MBA are seriously delusional. MBP/A are an extremely popular choice for software developers, partly because it is a brilliant piece of hardware, and partly because the *nix based OS is really nice for our jobs. Yeah, of course, we can use Windows, but Apple is much nicer. I can't imagine many devs would be happy using an iPad, and most would find it completely impossible. If Apple kills the MBP/A, then they will lose a LOT of customers. And yes, I do think they care, as they have been losing a lot of customers already, thus why they started the Pro Work Group, and thus why we now have new iMac Pros, Mac Pros, and the 16" MBP.

I never said iPadOS will replace macOS, so keep your name calling to yourself.

I just said Linux is a toy operating system. If you want Unix, there are numerous more stable and more powerful alternatives.
 
Trust me, the reason why they didn't do it until now has nothing to do with them being afraid of it replacing macbooks because even with a keyboard and trackpad the iPad still cant really replace a macbook for most productivity work flows. It hasn't been the lack of hardware attachments like the keyboard and mouse really that has gimped the ipad, it's the software like iOS/iPadOS where the problem really lies and until they get away from just using a blown up mobile phone OS on the iPad it won't work

The real reason why they are doing this now is because the Surface and devices like it are getting a trackhold and a lot of people like the 2-in-1 experience and apple has to respond. If it wasn't for the Surface line, you wouldn't have the apple pen, any mouse or keyboard support in iOS which everyone wants and you wouldn't have the stupid touch bar on the macbooks, which actually might have been a good thing!

therein lies the other argument or sentiment of an iPad or a tablet replacing a laptop/desktop computer for the average computer user. The same difference between an Android user and an iOS user ... presence or lack thereof a File Manager (both respectively).

one camp says the iPad or iOS is limited without a file system took Apple years to finally give us one and yet it’s still limited in traditional view of what it does - if you’re thinking of a traditional computing platform.

what Apple gave us does not curcumvent their vision of not needing one yet enhance or bring force the irreplaceable or convoluted use cases without having one.

traditional use case:
Save files wherever you wish. Open up a file where it may live (keep focused on “May live/be” for a moment)

iOS/iPadOS use case:
Apps still create their own files and have a centralized repository location therein to store its files. There has always been a subsystem for other apps capable of reading or editing such files since iOS 8 (I think).
Sharing files between other common cloud storage apps through a commonly shared API makes it bitterly smooth and easier for the end user.
soon will be sharing folders via permissions like cloud services have offered for over 15yrs now.
File sharing and cloud storage co location on various platforms still has its complexities and variances that users still face and is confusing for many end users.


most people even on desktops, especially over time cannot recall the file name or where they saved a file (especially within enterprise) unless saved on a network share - and that due to them daily knowing and working with such file(s). Challenge them locally on the laptop (outside of MP3’s or other music file extensions, or photos - unless they changed the default file save folder) and they’ll have difficulty finding such files or even documents

Trackpads have their purpose and I love them. I personally loath trackstick/point implementations yet I know a few that love em.

I see this potential move by Apple going in-line with the many years stance of a touch screen laptop fatiguing the end user for manipulation several times a day ; just simply adding a trackpad as the casual use of an iPad is fading into a daily main driver as a computing platform for many users starting to increase.

some will debate this is not needed, the trackpad, and to them I point the frequent traveller in an enterprise complaining the 1-2lbs different of alaptop within their over the shoulder bag or wheeled carry bag or knapsack. To those in my example I say did you not carry 8-12lbs laptops in university/college with 20lb bags filled eith books? Did you not have 4yrs+ to be stronger & maintain it since then? Hehe.

it’s about options to a changing platform. It’s great to have them.
 
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sadly I won't be buying an iPad to replace MacBook until they give us User logins.

I do not agree that a 1000 dollar iPad Pro is a personal device. Theres no reason they can't give us user accounts so that all family members to login to the family iPad.
There is a reason and that is memory. If there are 4 family members and all of them with their own photos, videos, songs, apps, etc, that's going to exhaust memory pretty fast. Lower memory iPads would become useless. If apps are going to be shared, then all apps should have implemented multiple user account support. There are many technical and design complication like this.

I am not saying they cant do it. But it's quite challenging.
 
There is a reason and that is memory. If there are 4 family members and all of them with their own photos, videos, songs, apps, etc, that's going to exhaust memory pretty fast. Lower memory iPads would become useless. If apps are going to be shared, then all apps should have implemented multiple user account support. There are many technical and design complication like this.

I am not saying they cant do it. But it's quite challenging.

They already support this with education profiles. The reason they don’t do it isn’t memory, I suspect. After all, it would just be a good way of up-selling memory (plus most stuff would be loaded on-demand from the cloud, anyway).

I suspect multi-user support is coming to iPadOS this year.
 
Microsoft and Surface lost the war because they couldn't match apple ecosystem--apps, media, phone, etc.
The device itself is really good and Apple will never match the Surface type cover design. I am surprised
it took apple this long to get to this point, if indeed they have
The reason why it has taken so long is because they were completely against this type of form factor saying nobody would want it and couldn't about face and admit they messed up just like the butterfly keyboards and kept going with it even though they knew it was crap. Out of all that, the MacBook got the touch bar since they couldn't completely ignore everyone wanting touchscreen pcs after they thought the new better. The touch bar was just made to make it look like apple had something touch innovative.
 
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So that I can download and use all the *nix software that I use for my work on a daily basis.

All you people who think iPadOS and iPads will replace macOS and MBP/MBA are seriously delusional. MBP/A are an extremely popular choice for software developers, partly because it is a brilliant piece of hardware, and partly because the *nix based OS is really nice for our jobs. Yeah, of course, we can use Windows, but Apple is much nicer. I can't imagine many devs would be happy using an iPad, and most would find it completely impossible. If Apple kills the MBP/A, then they will lose a LOT of customers. And yes, I do think they care, as they have been losing a lot of customers already, thus why they started the Pro Work Group, and thus why we now have new iMac Pros, Mac Pros, and the 16" MBP.

You do realize that both iOS and iPadOS are from the same *nix you speak of that MBP/MBA/ and other Macs use right? Can’t believe you’d make such a stance without realizing or recalling that. It hey simple mistake or oversight.

should the applications and the interface match the smaller display, external keyboard and utilize the multi-touch screen of an iPad or iPad Pro bolstered eith the longer battery life, and backlight keyboard and mouse use, allowing a Dev to have more mobility and to code anywhere more readily than the laptop options ... I’d say many developers would welcome a potential alternative - especially the ability to trial sad software directly on one of the platforms they’re coding for completely natively and NOt through a simulator.

when XCode allowed lading an app to a tethered iPhone for direct testing I’m sure then it seemed useless until it debuted. Many devs where fine using Dreamweaver some 20yrs ago. Many Devs took some time with XCode etc.

laptops where originally thought of as extensions to having a desktop. Many laptops where thought of as not graphically powerful enough to replace desktops (mobile workstations). Look what modern technology has brought to us all. Heck 40yrs ago a desktop computer was foreign idea to a dumb terminal ... now with ChromeOS and cloud services we are coming very close to a world where dumb-terminals May come back in yet a much better view or implementation of it.

try to see beyond the current implementation of a platform before writing it off.
 
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I love my iPad Pro and I hope this is real. I hope iPadOS really sets itself apart from iOS in version 2. Hoping for real mouse support and also Mac level applications instead of mobile versions.

One reason for me is that I’m pursuing a graduates degree and the iPad version of Word lacks so many features like references and building a bibliography database directly in it. I’m hoping a hybrid version comes to fruition.
 
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therein lies the other argument or sentiment of an iPad or a tablet replacing a laptop/desktop computer for the average computer user. The same difference between an Android user and an iOS user ... presence or lack thereof a File Manager (both respectively).

one camp says the iPad or iOS is limited without a file system took Apple years to finally give us one and yet it’s still limited in traditional view of what it does - if you’re thinking of a traditional computing platform.

what Apple gave us does not curcumvent their vision of not needing one yet enhance or bring force the irreplaceable or convoluted use cases without having one.

traditional use case:
Save files wherever you wish. Open up a file where it may live (keep focused on “May live/be” for a moment)

iOS/iPadOS use case:
Apps still create their own files and have a centralized repository location therein to store its files. There has always been a subsystem for other apps capable of reading or editing such files since iOS 8 (I think).
Sharing files between other common cloud storage apps through a commonly shared API makes it bitterly smooth and easier for the end user.
soon will be sharing folders via permissions like cloud services have offered for over 15yrs now.
File sharing and cloud storage co location on various platforms still has its complexities and variances that users still face and is confusing for many end users.


most people even on desktops, especially over time cannot recall the file name or where they saved a file (especially within enterprise) unless saved on a network share - and that due to them daily knowing and working with such file(s). Challenge them locally on the laptop (outside of MP3’s or other music file extensions, or photos - unless they changed the default file save folder) and they’ll have difficulty finding such files or even documents

Trackpads have their purpose and I love them. I personally loath trackstick/point implementations yet I know a few that love em.

I see this potential move by Apple going in-line with the many years stance of a touch screen laptop fatiguing the end user for manipulation several times a day ; just simply adding a trackpad as the casual use of an iPad is fading into a daily main driver as a computing platform for many users starting to increase.

some will debate this is not needed, the trackpad, and to them I point the frequent traveller in an enterprise complaining the 1-2lbs different of alaptop within their over the shoulder bag or wheeled carry bag or knapsack. To those in my example I say did you not carry 8-12lbs laptops in university/college with 20lb bags filled eith books? Did you not have 4yrs+ to be stronger & maintain it since then? Hehe.

it’s about options to a changing platform. It’s great to have them.
I get what you are saying but they shouldn't be using iOS as the OS to start to make the iPad a replacement. They should have either implemented OS X/macOS in a way they felt was capable on a tablet form or actually create a new OS just for the iPad, never just use iOS with some extra features and call it iPad OS. iOS was NEVER meant to be scaled up to a "desktop" OS and it shows. iOS isn't even really good as a consumption tablet OS. iOS is great on small form factors.
 
There is a reason and that is memory. If there are 4 family members and all of them with their own photos, videos, songs, apps, etc, that's going to exhaust memory pretty fast. Lower memory iPads would become useless. If apps are going to be shared, then all apps should have implemented multiple user account support. There are many technical and design complication like this.

I am not saying they cant do it. But it's quite challenging.
Memory? You mean RAM or storage? We have had multi-user support on OS X from the inception, and that was on Macs with much less RAM and storage. Don't tell me an iPad with 6GB of RAM and 512GB storage cannot handle it. Multiple user login is a function of the OS, not the hardware.

I do agree it's not that Apple cannot do it, but it's not easy, especially since Apple focus on security and privacy on iDevices. Probably things like, how would the secure enclave handles the multiple user biometrics.
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I get what you are saying but they shouldn't be using iOS as the OS to start to make the iPad a replacement. They should have either implemented OS X/macOS in a way they felt was capable on a tablet form or actually create a new OS just for the iPad, never just use iOS with some extra features and call it iPad OS. iOS was NEVER meant to be scaled up to a "desktop" OS and it shows. iOS isn't even really good as a consumption tablet OS. iOS is great on small form factors.
Imo iPad OS is fine, and the fact that Apple spun it off with a different brand means they have different trajectory for it than regular iOS. We practically only at iPad OS version "1" (despite it being iOS13), so it still has a long way to go.
 
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this will be a day one purchase for me.
I use both a MacBook Pro 16" and 12" iPad Pro and use both extensively. When at home the iPad becomes my usual 'laptop' due to convenience and size, and a better keyboard and trackpad will be a good addition.
 
I’m a big fan of the ASK. I use it daily on my current gen 12.9. I’d Really like backlit keys. But I’d also like Apple to update the material the ASK is made out of. I’ve owned 3 ASK over the last 3 pro iPads. All 3 developed really “wavy/rough” (for lack of better words) marks in the material. Functions fine, looks ugly.
 
I’m a big fan of the ASK. I use it daily on my current gen 12.9. I’d Really like backlit keys. But I’d also like Apple to update the material the ASK is made out of. I’ve owned 3 ASK over the last 3 pro iPads. All 3 developed really “wavy/rough” (for lack of better words) marks in the material. Functions fine, looks ugly.
Those wrinkles add character. Mine is full of them. And missing key lettering.
 
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There are lots of competitors in this area and they have substantially better products than Apple's membrane keyboard. One even converts it to a computer with multiple ports. I think it is fully funded on one of Indiegogo or one of those sites and they have a working example.

Agree. If there is a market in which Apple does a poor job that is in cases and cables. Their’s are the lowest quality cables around for their price, not durable at all. Cases are also easily crumbled and unreasonably more expensive than the competition.
 
I love my iPad Pro and I hope this is real. I hope iPadOS really sets itself apart from iOS in version 2. Hoping for real mouse support and also Mac level applications instead of mobile versions.

One reason for me is that I’m pursuing a graduates degree and the iPad version of Word lacks so many features like references and building a bibliography database directly in it. I’m hoping a hybrid version comes to fruition.
To my knowledge, there has only been one complete translation of a desktop app to ipados--and that is ClipStudioPaint. I seriously doubt that many will follow, esp from Microsoft. In my mind this is ok. I don't need the full app on a hybrid device. But I see your frustration.

imo--anyone who thinks full logic or final cut is coming is delusional.
 
Just as a side note, my Galaxy Tab S tablet natively accepts all kinds of external devices either plugged into its USB-C port or via Bluetooth connection. These include trackpads, keyboards (including Apple’s BT keyboard and trackpad), USB HDDs or SSDs (needs to be formatted NT or FAT) and external monitors. Galaxy tablet also allows multiple user accounts, totally separate from each other, and each user can have a different language and system settings. No need to mention the fact that this tablet has a micro SD slot to increase storage to 1TB if needed. I will not even get into the DEX setup to turn this tablet into an almost desktop environment.

If Apple wants to make iPad a true PC replacement, they have to “think different”. As it is, IOS / iPadOS is the biggest impediment for that to happen.
 
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