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I follow the Apple maps subreddit and I learned a few things from there
- full rollout takes about 6 weeks, all users should have the updates after that
- until then, some people will get the updates and some won’t
- there is no rhyme or reason to get them, they just show up
- if you get the update, they may come and go until the 6 weeks pass
Thanks for posting this. I thought I was going crazy thinking that The Ohio map still looked the same for me.
 
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I still find Apple's maps almost unusable in Carplay mode. There's almost no contrast between the road and the surrounding areas so it's near impossible for me to see upcoming roads without intently staring at the screen, something you shouldn't be doing while driving.

I have no such trouble with Waze's maps.
Set it on night mode and you’ll be fine. I found there is a huge variation in quality of LCD panels used by manufacturers. Some are harder to see with CarPlay than others. But night mode/dark mode resolves most contrast issues unless you can change the brightness/contrast of your LCD.
 
Unless I’m recalling wrong, Forstall got kicked due to not apologizing for the issues that maps had?
Right, he reportedly refused to sign the public apology which effectively forced Tim Cook to sign it. In turn, between that and his notorious toxicity which was pushing other executives toward the exits, his head rolled.

ETA for the Forstall worshippers here: Really, if Forstall were a god of software engineering, another company would have hired him as an executive by now with a blank check for his salary. The issue is that no one wants him because he’s a terrible colleague.
 
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Before the end of 2020... Only two and a half months, and still a long way to go!
So far they’ve been rolling out these sectors in approximately 6-week intervals. I suspect that either they begin rolling out larger sectors and/or rolling them out more quickly, or they miss their stated deadline of the end of 2019 for rolling out the entire U.S.

The Midwest expansion does mean that the new Maps covers the 10 most populous U.S. cities, though, so I suspect future rollouts will be a little easier now as the cities become smaller and population becomes less dense (except the Southeast, which has yet to roll out and has fairly high population density).
 
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Unless I’m recalling wrong, Forstall got kicked due to not apologizing for the issues that maps had?
Forced out yeah. I’m wondering where the apologies are for the undeniable decline of Apple software over the last 7 years.
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Right, he reportedly refused to sign the public apology which effectively forced Tim Cook to sign it. In turn, between that and his notorious toxicity which was pushing other executives toward the exits, his head rolled.

ETA for the Forstall worshippers here: Really, if Forstall were a god of software engineering, another company would have hired him as an executive by now with a blank check for his salary. The issue is that no one wants him because he’s a terrible colleague.

What makes you an expert? You seem so sure of your analysis. There’s been a huge decline in the quality AND usability of Apple software since his departure. Toxicity? Please. Grow up. That word is used by people who can’t cope with people who know how to get things done.
 
What makes you an expert? You seem so sure of your analysis. There’s been a huge decline in the quality AND usability of Apple software since his departure. Toxicity? Please. Grow up. That word is used by people who can’t cope with people who know how to get things done.
I won’t claim to be an expert, but I am speaking based on reporting and common sense. Here are some crucial breadcrumbs:
  • From Apple’s own announcement: Bob Mansfield comes out of an already announced retirement with Scott Forstall’s exit
  • Also from Apple’s own announcement: Part of Forstall’s responsibilities go to Jony Ive, who reportedly (via Bloomberg) wouldn’t be in the same room as Forstall, and vice-versa, if they could help it
  • From Bloomberg’s reporting on Forstall’s exit (linked previously): “Clashes between Forstall and other senior managers since Jobs’s death a year ago had made it harder for teams to work together…” The title of Apple’s press release? “Apple Announces Changes to Increase Collaboration Across Hardware, Software & Services.”
Read between the lines. While Apple certainly has quite colorful press releases, they’re not gonna outright call the guy an ass on his way out the door.

And again, really, if anyone wanted him, they’d have taken him by now. Overseeing the creation of what is now iOS is one hell of a pedigree in and of itself. The best way for Forstall to “win” — and it certainly seems that that is his goal above all else — would be to go to a competitor and work in a similar role there. Certainly quite a few have pockets deep enough to give him all the money he’d want for it…but again, no one wants him. It’s not like word doesn’t get around.
 
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I won’t claim to be an expert, but I am speaking based on reporting and common sense. Here are some crucial breadcrumbs:
  • From Apple’s own announcement: Bob Mansfield comes out of an already announced retirement with Scott Forstall’s exit
  • Also from Apple’s own announcement: Part of Forstall’s responsibilities go to Jony Ive, who reportedly (via Bloomberg) wouldn’t be in the same room as Forstall, and vice-versa, if they could help it
  • From Bloomberg’s reporting on Forstall’s exit (linked previously): “Clashes between Forstall and other senior managers since Jobs’s death a year ago had made it harder for teams to work together…” The title of Apple’s press release? “Apple Announces Changes to Increase Collaboration Across Hardware, Software & Services.”
Read between the lines. While Apple certainly has quite colorful press releases, they’re not gonna outright call the guy an ass on his way out the door.

And again, really, if anyone wanted him, they’d have taken him by now. Overseeing the creation of what is now iOS is one hell of a pedigree in and of itself. The best way for Forstall to “win” — and it certainly seems that that is his goal above all else — would be to go to a competitor and work in a similar role there. Certainly quite a few have pockets deep enough to give him all the money he’d want for it…but again, no one wants him. It’s not like word doesn’t get around.

Or maybe he’s a bajillionaire and doesn’t need a job?
 
Or maybe he’s a bajillionaire and doesn’t need a job?
I’m sure he’s got plenty of money, but doesn’t seem to me like he’d be too happy about essentially retiring in his early 40s, apparently being left to…co-produce Broadway shows.
 
I’m sure he’s got plenty of money, but doesn’t seem to me like he’d be too happy about essentially retiring in his early 40s, apparently being left to…co-produce Broadway shows.
Well I like him and I think he’s doing fine but sorry the way my post came off before. Didn’t intend to be rude.
 
But now iOS and Mac Apps ship with mission critical features broken and severe bugs that brick devices?
Maybe you don't remember the initial release issues of Lion or Leopard or Mavericks? Not even on the iOS side for the issues with iOS 5 or 7 or 8 or 11? There has always been noticeable bugs with the .0 of every new major release from Apple since forever. The issue would invariably get fixed in half a year's time and people would go on to complain about the next major release.
 
It seems they still have a focus on flashy features and not on substance and accuracy.

Within the updated area, I am still only seeing that 1 of the 2 abandons roads that I reported over 6-7 years ago is updated as such. I wonder how many people got lost in the wilds, or even stuck due to apple maps?

Seven years ago I reported an error of a road here in WI shown going through a park, right across a sledding hill. It was a road once, but has been closed for over 40 years. The app will route you through the park, across the sled hill if you let it. This is STILL NOT FIXED. We'll see if they actually update it when they update data for WI.
 
How do navigation errors get fixed? Is that an iOS update or something else? I have submitted multiple issues. Navigation would have me taking service and emergency vehicle entrances, that I cannot take, to I-90, a toll road.
 
I don’t know why it would be, but it appears to be a staggered roll-out. Still the same old (read: filled with inaccuracies) data for me in Ohio.
 
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