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Friendly competition is what the world needs.

Jobs was right. It’s not winner takes all… it’s rising tides lift all ships.
Beneath the surface competition in love & business isn't friendly. However, for consumers choice is definitely a good thing.
 
Not with the versatility of the version afforded by Zoom.

The context was that we needed to conduct a mass briefing for parents online, before they dispersed into different rooms according to what class their child was in.

This was pretty straightforward with Zoom. Everyone logged into one giant zoom session, teachers created individual breakout rooms labelled with the name of their class, and the parents chose which room to go into.

With Teams, you have to pre-assign what breakout room to assign each individual participant into, and this only works if they are specifically invited as a participant of said session. It was simply not feasible when you are dealing with hundreds of parents who joined via a shared link.

We ended up just hosting two separate teams sessions instead, but I just felt the omission baffling.

Don’t even get me started about the “wisdom” of placing the share screen button next to the leave icon…
I just set up a test meeting in Teams and had no issues assigning unauthenticated participants to breakout rooms. As a participant, I was also able to join a breakout room without any problems. You should check with your IT department to see if they have policies causing the problems you describe.

Also, I never had an issue with the location of Share and Leave icons. Still, it's a valid point.
 
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Apple's resurgence under Jobs was driven by the success of the iMac, iPod, iPhone, and iPad, while Microsoft struggled to gain traction with mobile devices like the Windows Phone and Surface.

I wouldn't say Surface struggled to gain traction. Surface has actually been a massive success for Microsoft, so successful that it spawned an entire line of devices. Plus the Surface Pro was quite a game changing device.
 
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I just set up a test meeting in Teams and had no issues assigning unauthenticated participants to breakout rooms. As a participant, I was also able to join a breakout room without any problems. You should check with your IT department to see if they have policies causing the problems you describe.

Also, I never had an issue with the location of Share and Leave icons. Still, it's a valid point.
Thanks. I will check it out again, because I know that the whole bunch of us cracked our heads overnight but were unable to make breakout rooms work on Teams. It could also be a organisation-specific setting that they disabled. Same thing with requiring VPN to connect (meaning we could only use Teams from our work laptops).
 
I remember when I got my first computer around 1993. Back when everything came on Floppies and some on CD-ROM.

Microsoft was special to me back them. Used to love some of their apps like Encarta and Golf and Money and Word. The magic started to go away around Windows 2000 I think. I still have a Windows laptop but I don't use it as much as my MBA or Mac mini these days.
 
At least half of Microsoft's OSs were okay, starting with W95. Good. 98 bad. Windows Me bad too. XP rocked. Vista was okay.
Windows 7 is still a dream OS. 8/8.1, certified garbage. Windows 10 is okay. 11 is quicker with downloads, but then again, so is the Google Play Store. Not willing to spend over $1000 for a laptop.
That completely removes me from owning a Mac.
Been using tablets since 2017. My go to devices.
I agree that it is lame at best to have both Control Panel and Settings. You occasionally must use Control Panel.
FYI...my latest Mac was $500.00 for my Base M4 Mini, so you could do it! just saying. :)
 
They would lose their minds if they learn that Apple still exists because of MicroSoft or Steve's deal with MicroSoft. Had they blown off Steve and stop making Office for Mac, Apple would have died--or regulated to a penny stock company--back in 1998.
This stupid myth again?

No. Apple was nowhere near bankruptcy, nor did Micro$loth "save" them. The "deal" was that M$ got caught with QuickTime code in Video for Windoze, and Apple was nice enough to allow them to "invest" in Apple and guarantee Orifice availability to avoid the lawsuit.

Stop this idiotic nonsense narrative.
 
I have worked for both companies and been heavily involved on the OS sides. I worked at MS for 5+ years and made a lot of my living around the MS eco system. The best PC I ever owned was a 12” MacBook running Windows in boot camp and then I was forced to run MacOS for an extended period and I’ve never gone back. But also Finder is the worst. Explorer was better 10 years ago than Finder is today! Everything else I prefer in Mac, stability, battery life, deep integration etc. but Finder sucks, it’s not good and did I mention it sucks. The only thing that makes it liveable is that I use OneDrive for my file storage so I can get the explorer experience in the cloud
Finder is and has always been 1000x better than Windoze Exploder ever dreamed of being.

I really have no idea what you're blathering about, even Finder 1.0 was better than any release of Exploder ever.
 
In the 1980s, due to Steve Jobs leading the creation of a skeuomorphic design GUI for the Lisa and the Macintosh, Microsoft copied Apple for nearly three deacades. In the 2000s, due to Steve Ballmer leading the creation of a flat design GUI for Zune, Windows Phone, and Windows 8, Tim Cook decided it was OK for Apple to copy Microsoft for over a decade.

Cook is a mediocre and clueless MBA degree-holding corporate suit who is just a beancounter. Under Jobs's leadership, Microsoft copied Apple. Under Cook's so-called "leadership," Apple copied Microsoft.

Jobs said Microsoft has "no taste." Cook has no taste, too, and that's precisely why he allowed Jony Ive to copy Microsoft's flat design. Jobs should have made Scott Forstall CEO instead of Cook because Forstall would've continued Jobs's legacy of skeuomorphic UI innovation instead of copying Microsoft's idiotic flat UI creation.

In the short (under one minute) video below, everything that Jobs says about Microsoft applies to Cook:
 
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love to see steam os become a thing soon. wonder if MS would actually react, or just continue the crapification of win11.
 


Microsoft today marks its 50th anniversary, during which time it has been one of Apple's longest-standing and most prolific competitors.

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Microsoft was founded on April 4, 1975 by Bill Gates and Paul Allen, starting out as a software company developing a BASIC interpreter for the Altair 8800. It quickly become central to the personal computing revolution, including through its early collaboration with Apple, where Apple licensed Microsoft's BASIC for the Apple II in 1977.

Microsoft's most significant early involvement with Apple came with the development of applications for the original Macintosh, including Word and Excel, which helped legitimize the Mac as a productivity tool. The 1985 launch of Microsoft Windows, which featured a graphical user interface similar to the Macintosh, prompted accusations from Apple that Microsoft had copied key elements of its design.

The ensuing legal and public disputes would define the rivalry for years. In 1988, Apple filed a lawsuit against Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard, claiming infringement of its Macintosh GUI, which it ultimately lost.

Despite the rivalry, Microsoft invested $150 million in Apple in 1997, when the company was in financial crisis following years of declining market share and internal missteps. As part of the agreement, Microsoft committed to continuing development of Office for Mac and making Internet Explorer the default browser on Macintosh systems. During his keynote at Macworld Boston 1997, Steve Jobs announced the deal, stating:



Throughout the 2000s and early 2010s, Microsoft and Apple continued to compete on multiple fronts with operating systems, productivity software, mobile devices, and later, cloud services. Apple's resurgence under Jobs was driven by the success of the iMac, iPod, iPhone, and iPad, while Microsoft struggled to gain traction with mobile devices like the Windows Phone and Surface. Apple has developed alternatives to Microsoft products, including iWork, but Microsoft Office continues to be prevalent and play an important role on Apple devices, including the Vision Pro.

Today, both companies remained dominant in their respective ecosystems. Microsoft's focus on software licensing, large-scale business use-cases, and enterprise cloud computing with Azure now forms a business model that contrasts sharply with Apple's emphasis on consumer-facing products, hardware-software integration, and user experience.

Article Link: Apple's Most Famous Rival Turns 50 Today
It's sad that Windows Mobile died eventually... it was a pretty nice OS
 
love to see steam os become a thing soon. wonder if MS would actually react, or just continue the crapification of win11.
As long as the global financial system rely on Excel, Windows can be as crappy as they want and businesses have no choice but to use Windows. Yeah, Excel for Mac exists. Excel for Mac is the JV of spreadsheets. I'd rather use Libre Office's spreadsheet rather than the crippled Mac version of Excel.
 
Congratulations and happy bday to Microsoft! BG mus have been a real tyrant to build such a mega corporation :) Anyway, wish them continuous success.

My only wish is that they would start using native mac code for their products. MS Office now takes too much space. Each app used to be 500-600mb each (which is not small for a word processor), but now each app is 2 GB each! That is why I'm using less of their apps and conciser switching.
 
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Now is a great time to reflect back on the late 90s when Microsoft's software products were actually good and not the nerfed garbage they have now. For example, MS Outlook used to be really powerful and great for organization. The current Outlook doesn't even do half the stuff it used to.

As for hardware I think the surface is a good concept. However I don't trust any hardware from Microsoft as they're the abandonware kings and a bunch of quitters. I think they could have done well with the Windows phone if they just kept improving. It would have been great to have an alternative to iOS and Android.

I hope Microsoft goes down the same patch as Intel where their complacency catches up to them.
 
As long as the global financial system rely on Excel, Windows can be as crappy as they want and businesses have no choice but to use Windows. Yeah, Excel for Mac exists. Excel for Mac is the JV of spreadsheets. I'd rather use Libre Office's spreadsheet rather than the crippled Mac version of Excel.
I guess gamers will find out how important the gaming sector really is to MS if Steam OS becomes a thing.

IMO steam is positioned well to steal a good chunk of that segment from Microsoft. If rumors are to be believed, MS is looking at making Xbox into a platform that runs steam games, epic store games, etc.

But your point stands!
 
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