So that makes your statement about tariffs offsetting US labor rates more poorly supported.
I'll pass on the rest of the hyperbole.
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Apple's New Mac Pro Won't Be 'Made in USA' as Production Reportedly Moving to China
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So that makes your statement about tariffs offsetting US labor rates more poorly supported.
I'll pass on the rest of the hyperbole.
The initial one would have been an amazing feat of engineering. After that it's just a block of aluminium machined by a computer running a set program. Aluminium is currently $1.80 per kg...
I wasn't complaining about it being made in China, I was complaining that they took manufacturing to China and kept the prices high. At least with the trash can the prices were high because it was made in Texas. There's no excuse now, just blatant greed by Tim Cook. That's the only thing Tim Cook is good at, taking production to China to save money. He's no CEO for a Visionary company like Apple. He'd make a great CFO though.
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30th in math, but seems to lead the world in tech and innovation?
Reality is: a proper college education has become out of reach of the talented student.
back to the macPro tho
I am disappointed. Was really hoping the 7,1 would be made in the USA. I thought that was part of the high price tag, being made here.
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Hahahahahah. Truthing out the fake news. Nice! : )
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I agree. But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Come on America. Let’s get back to building things!!!
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Hahahahahah. Truthing out the fake news. Nice! : )
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I agree. But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Come on America. Let’s get back to building things!!!
Margin percent is what it is. There is no reason that because the product is more expensive that there is more room for overhead. If Apple wants to hit 60% margin, they wanna hit 60% margin. My company sells a few products that are high sales price but a much smaller margin while we have products less than half the cost to the consumer but our margin is 25% or higher than that “high end” consumer product. Such as it is for many products.
It is unfortunate that even Apple can’t make a small unit sales item in the US. However, they are a company not our friend. Making money is they goal, it’s what the shareholders want and it’s their American duty to promote capitalism to the fullest.
If we want stuff made here, we need to make better choices on who we vote for, make our policy wishes known, and make it worthwhile to assemble here. Also, we need to train a workforce for jobs like that, but those positions need to exist here in the first place. Also, coming out of college with higher debt means the job needs to pay really well or the education to get that job needs to cost less and then the job can pay less.
China wins, no human rights, poor pay, millions of people ready to do the work, communist subsidies to build up towns to become tech centers.
America lost as politicians, CEOs, and employees got greedier and greedier (or capitalism). The jobs are gone, they are never going to come back.
We need to move on with a new field in America, a new concept that we invent and educate and manufacture for. Then we can become world leaders again. Until then we will fall further and further behind in the world.
A very good reality check at manufacturing future. The old days of manufacturing a product with thousands of people all but gone. The manufacturing future, robots, very few highly technical humans. Reality!
There's something comical about this - given the whole thing with the Administration and Apple possibly getting burned by tariff's on things made in China. I would have thought, for this high margin item, they'd have moved it elsewhere in the far east (Taiwan perhaps or communist Vietnam the new darling for U.S. manufacturers to build up).
Seems like alot of businesses are just counting on the Administration not following through with the tariff's that will hit consumers in a strong way. I sure wouldn't trust the Administration enough to place new production there...
Seems like alot of businesses are just counting on the Administration not following through with the tariff's that will hit consumers in a strong way. I sure wouldn't trust the Administration enough to place new production there...
mPro will be produced for the global market so unless you can proof that tax-savings in the US market will somehow offset higher labor costs for all units sold worldwide your point is economically mute....
Made in China for maximum profits. $6,000 for a computer. American's are going to sour on Apple sooner or later for these high prices.
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I realize the incredible expansion capability of this machine, but $2000 more than the previous base model is outrageous even for Apple. Building it in China just adds insult to injury. These will soon be used for artificial fishing reefs as part of the Green New Deal when all the REAL pros are done buying necessities. Apple keeps raising the value of my cheesegrater Mac Pro through one dumb move after another. I might buy another used Mac Pro before the prices rise.
so the "Texas Experiment" was a failure. A one time trial to see if anything could be made in USA — and here we are today 6 years later... back in China.
Apple maintaining their margins doesn't drive pricing down. No logical gymnastics can make that a reality. Your claim was Apple was keeping cost as low as possible to drive down pricing for consumers. Nope.
If you read the links, the salaries of American workers were, at most, the third most significant issue in Apple's decision. #1 was the lack of support manufacturers for items Apple would not make themselves. For example, screws. On the previous MacPro, Apple was unable to find contract manufacturers able to make more than quantity 1000 custom-designed screws per day. They ended up having to order most of their screws from China, elongating the supply chain. Now, as anyone who thinks about it for 10 seconds would realize it, you want to plan your supply chain around high-value components, not screws. Imagine having thousands of high-end microprocessors and partially built subassemblies sitting around in inventory, waiting for some screws.
#2 was the fact that it is really tough to get Americans to work second (and THIRD) shift. That means that your facilities are going to be sitting around idle a good percentage of the time, even when there is unfulfilled demand.
I suspect most people here don't realize that unused inventory and idle facilities can be a bigger extra expense than high salaries, and has no ancillary benefit of what some might think of as "good citizenship."
Can’t compete with slave labor. China is nothing without it and that’s all they have to offer. It’s disgusting.
This is to avoid high export tariffs when sold to all other markets worldwide.
That is a larger market than just the US. Make a sum, do a decision. It's just logical.
That is a larger market than just the US. Make a sum, do a decision. It's just logical.
REALLY?
My Mac Pro was used for digital editing a Toy Story movie and it yes, it was tricked out to nearly $5000, but not a base model price of $6000! This base price is outrageous, plain and simple for a base model.
Apple clearly is sending the signal that a mid-range Mac Pro will never be tolerated. This machine is charging you for two Mac Pros for the price of one in exchange for unlimited expansion.
Remember when Powermacs and Mac Pro's started at $2999 or lower?
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Having worked at Apple for 5 years, I'm more than aware of everything you mentioned. I had customer machines sit for months waiting on parts, some of those were screws. So I don't need reminded or told to read something more carefully. I'm more aware of the ins and outs than most on this forum.
It is about self sufficiency as a nation and not everyone can do other kinds of jobs.
Manufacturing is necessary for any nation. It is just cheaper to pay someone else to do it at the moment and there hasn’t been much consequences for it.
There may come a time when it is not so easy to get others to do it cheaply. Then what? Will the nation have time to adjust?
It can compete, but not at slave wages. That's why the U.S. still ranks high in agricultural output - farm workers are exempt from most minimum wage requirements as specified by the FLSA. It also explains why immigrants from southern climes form the largest portion of ag workers. If Trump really was successful in closing the southern borders, the ag and construction industries in the US would be crippled. Only immigrants are willing to work for dirt poor wages (still better than what they get at home). With the demise of labor unions in the US, it's just a matter of time until the US gets "competitive" again with manufacturing. Of course, commensurate with that, most people couldn't afford to buy Apple computers while making substandard wages. Even old Henry Ford figured that out, reasoning that decent wage earners would provide a good customer base.
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