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Apple's Opening Court Statement Focuses on Samsung's Radical Shift in Phone Design

In all the things shown of Samsung copying Apple I forgot about the advertisements. Where Samsung has copied the format of Apple ads and even went on to use the same child in their ads.

Really Samsung is paying Apple the ultimate tribute. You're better than us, so we're just going to copy you till we can figure out how to do better.
 
Oletros said:
The picture you posted in your first post is from November 2.007, I haven't changed anything
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The importance of when that picture was taken or the post behind it is irrelevant. What matters is when that phone was made (2006) and that it was being shown to carriers that year as what the Google phone was going to be (minor hardware changes aside).
 
That photo pretty much sums up the entire smartphone industry before and after June, 2007. Before the iPhone hit the scene, the hottest phones were the Motorola Razr, T-Mobile Sidekick, and the Blackberry Curve. Touchscreen phones had a very small audience before 2007. No, apple didn't invent the touchscreen mobile device, but the years they spent refining it has proved to be an ingenious move on their part.
There's a reason why many smartphones today bare a striking resemblance to the iPhone. The design works. It's as simple as that. I don't blame Apple Inc. for wanting to protect their intellectual property (no, not cell phones in general, but their vision of how cell phones should be).

Thanks!
 
ganymedes13 said:
The importance of when that picture was taken or the post behind it is irrelevant. What matters is when that phone was made (2006) and that it was being shown to carriers as ONE of several prototypes for a Google phone.
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Fixed that for you. ;)


pmxperience said:
That photo pretty much sums up the entire smartphone industry before and after June, 2007. Before the iPhone hit the scene, the hottest phones were the Motorola Razr, T-Mobile Sidekick, and the Blackberry Curve. Touchscreen phones had a very small audience before 2007. No, apple didn't invent the touchscreen mobile device, but the years they spent refining it has proved to be an ingenious move on their part.
There's a reason why many smartphones today bare a striking resemblance to the iPhone. The design works. It's as simple as that. I don't blame Apple Inc. for wanting to protect their intellectual property (no, not cell phones in general, but their vision of how cell phones should be).

Thanks!
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A.) the original iPhone was not a Smartphone, it was a feature phone.
B.) the design is not original. (Not talking about trade dress, but the overall design)
 
ganymedes13 said:
The importance of when that picture was taken or the post behind it is irrelevant. What matters is when that phone was made (2006) and that it was being shown to carriers that year as what the Google phone was going to be (minor hardware changes aside).
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And you're missing the point that several manufacturers already had full touch screen phones in their pipeline prior and concurrent to the iPhone. Forget Android. It's barely relevant to this case because this case is about trade dress - not OS.

And this case is against Samsung because only Samsung, to date, poses the biggest threat to Apple's sales.
 
ganymedes13 said:
The importance of when that picture was taken or the post behind it is irrelevant. What matters is when that phone was made (2006) and that it was being shown to carriers that year as what the Google phone was going to be (minor hardware changes aside).
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My God, the phone on your picture is from 2.007. Can you understand it or not?
 
rjohnstone said:
Read my edit.
We all know that phone didn't get designed and built in under a year.
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Making fire the first time is a lot easier after you've seen someone else do it first.

As shown with Galaxy 10.1, which shifted quickly and become an iPad2 clone in only 4 months, it wouldn't take long for Google to make a clone after Apple revealed the iPhone.

Also, Android was half baked, and rushed, and increasingly became more Apple like in the years following 2007, which brought us to today.

Samsung just took it to the next level.
 
samcraig said:
Because for Android to have any value - you have to pay for several of google's services. Manufacturers not only have to pay for these apps, but they also have to spend money on the development of their skins since all but a couple run stock Android.

If you want to split hairs - some of Android is indeed free. But that's not reality.



You said based on that image alone - for you the trial would be over. I don't know more than what's published. But I have been on a few juries. If a juror is going to make their decision up with opening statements or based on what the prosecution presents in one diagram vs listening to ALL of the testimony and then rendering their decision then they are not only denying the purpose of the trial in the first place and also diminishing the experience for themselves.

Have you read the actual court documents being released? I'd venture not. I've only skimmed them and I can already say that this so-called "court of opinion" on this forum is based more on pride and loyalty than it is on facts.
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There is very little truth interspersed amongst massively biased readings, opinions, and speculations; typical day at the MR office.*

Go My Team!!!

I'll wait for the verdict, thanks, and even then, the battle will continue on other fronts. Lather, rinse, repeat.

* I suspect that some consider the forums at MR their day jobs.
 
Technarchy said:
Making fire the first time is a lot easier after you've seen someone else do it first.

As shown with Galaxy 10.1, which shifted quickly and become an iPad2 clone in only 4 months, it wouldn't take long for Google to make a clone after Apple revealed the iPhone.

Also, Android was half baked, and rushed, and increasingly became more Apple like in the years following 2007, which brought us to today.

Samsung just took it to the next level.
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I can't speak for what Samsung did or didn't do. But having worked for a major phone manufacturer at one point in my career - I can assure you - it take months sometimes YEARS to get a phone from design to development to production.

I can tell you with 100 percent certainty though (as I've said before) that touchscreen phones were in pipelines several years before Apple's iPhone.

Costs were prohibitive - but that didn't stop many players from designing them and refining them as technology improved/became more affordable.

I think some people honestly believe that the iPhone came out and suddenly everyone magically designed a touchscreen phone (whether it looked like an iPhone or not) in weeks or even a few months. Not only doesn't it work like on the design side - but just carrier negotiations and input can hold up a phone so long that the phone gets dropped from the lineup because it's already outdated by the time everyone "almost" agrees on everything.
 
knightwrx Idon't know why you bother. 99 percent of your posts just seem to get skipped over if it's fact its just ignored. the same 10 people just post the same garbage every time one of these articles pop up. their mind is set Apple is god and android is crap. everything was stolen and nothing predates the iPhone. my opinion is Apple's only real talent is hype and marketing. their products are great but so are all 700$ phones.
 
samcraig said:
I can't speak for what Samsung did or didn't do. But having worked for a major phone manufacturer at one point in my career - I can assure you - it take months sometimes YEARS to get a phone from design to development to production.
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And Google and HTC had two years to work at it.

iPhone 1: January 9, 2007
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Android hardware leaks which never sees the light of day. These pics surfaced in December 2007

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HTC G1 finally launches October, 22 2008.
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apolloa said:
I guess I'm too late with my popcorn for this one :confused:

Personally I'm hoping the judge kicks them both in the nuts and tells them to grow up and then scraps the stupid US patent system! Best thing for the consumer.
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I personally would not invent anything if it weren't for the patent system, so if I were to have an idea, I would not turn it into a product, and that would be one less thing for the consumers to consume.

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lucas107 said:
their products are great but so are all 700$ phones.
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The current iPhone costs $649. Rounded to the nearest 100, that would be $600.
 
lucas107 said:
knightwrx Idon't know why you bother. 99 percent of your posts just seem to get skipped over if it's fact its just ignored. the same 10 people just post the same garbage every time one of these articles pop up. their mind is set Apple is god and android is crap. everything was stolen and nothing predates the iPhone. my opinion is Apple's only real talent is hype and marketing. their products are great but so are all 700$ phones.
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Of course it is mate! Why else do you think their is so much hype over Apple's secrecy? It's not one tiny little bit by accident, it's ENTIRELY manufactured by Apple to the same quality and attention as an iPhone (well design wise anyway haha).
Does any other manufacturer have the same secrecy? Or hype it up deliberately so much? Not really. But it all helps Apple's bottom line at the end of the day hence why they pay so much attention to manufacturing it.

The only chink in this hyper bole thinking was this year and the Mac Pro, it's ONLY because I suspect the majority of pros threatened to jump ship that Apple publicly stated it would be re-designing it for next year.
 
Irrelevant. This case is not against HTC or Google. And it's not about the OS. It's about trade dress. And as I've said - other manufacturers were working on monolithic touchscreen phones for years. And newsflash - some of them weren't using Android because Android wasn't around when some of them were already being developed.

I'm not sure how I can be any clearer than that.

Technarchy said:
And Google and HTC had two years to work at it.

iPhone 1: January 9, 2007
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Android hardware leaks which never sees the light of day. These pics surfaced in December 2007

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HTC G1 finally launches October, 22 2008.
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faroZ06 said:
I personally would not invent anything if it weren't for the patent system, so if I were to have an idea, I would not turn it into a product, and that would be one less thing for the consumers to consume.
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Well, thanks to the glorious patent system, if what you invented was made before in some shape or form and some corporation patents it they can sue you of the planet and block your product from sale globally. Yeah what a win for the consumer....

I'm sure everyone will be happy once you cannot buy a touch screen Samsung device anywhere, then Apple can do the same to HTC and LG and Asus..... bet you'll be REALLY happy then?

The US patent system is the most stupid corrupt piece of garbage I have ever heard off or read about. It's not in the consumers interest one little bit!

And WWAAAYYYYYY before the iPhone:
 

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samcraig said:
Irrelevant. This case is not against HTC or Google. And it's not about the OS. It's about trade dress. And as I've said - other manufacturers were working on monolithic touchscreen phones for years. And newsflash - some of them weren't using Android because Android wasn't around when some of them were already being developed.

I'm not sure how I can be any clearer than that.
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And yet none of these things materialized until Apple took the risk on R&D and creating a market.

Woulda, coulda, never did...until Apple did it first.
 
Technarchy said:
And yet none of these things materialized until Apple took the risk on R&D and creating a market.

Woulda, coulda, never did...until Apple did it first.
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Creating a market hahahahaha, and what market would that be then exactly? Was it the first company to create a touch screen smart phone market then? Well I guess so if we totally ignore the mobile market for several years BEFORE the iPhone turned up.
 
apolloa said:
I'm sure everyone will be happy once you cannot buy a touch screen Samsung device anywhere, then Apple can do the same to HTC and LG and Asus..... bet you'll be REALLY happy then?
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If HTC, LG, and ASUS are incapable of putting in the R&D time and resources to find a better, infringement free way to skin a cat, then market their ideas and sell their products successfully, then they have no right to exist.
 
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